The Search for Trip Weed

[satva]

So out of 3 packs how many germinated to be exact?
I'm looking to try some out as well and want to know
roughly how many packs I need.

You should contact Cannabiogen regarding germination rates and germination procedures. I'm not sure Punto Rojo like the "soaking and paper towel method" ~ 78 degree farenheit, + 65 degree farenheit. Most of these old seeds were floaters, they just don't sink in water after 24 hours. Some seed companies recommend, planting seeds directly in soil. They probably need more heat to germinate than most seeds. I've fried a few seedlings on the window sill in full sun.

If you buy directly from Cannabiogen they'll quickly replace seeds that don't germinate, at no cost. The seeds I received did not look fresh. I planted the Punto Rojo seeds the day I received them. I wouldn't wait years to plant these. I also wouldn't buy from a reseller. Cannabiognen is a great responsive company. I think its best to reward their efforts by purchasing directly.

25% - 30% Punto Rojo seeds germinated within 2 weeks, those are the one I grew. You'll have some seedlings in that 25% - 30% that have no vigor and others with huge internodal spacing - which I'm not fond of. NLD landrace seedlings are more susceptible to disease, spider mites, and so on.

The pot with the non-germinated seeds and soil went outside where more germinated after 4- 5 weeks. They were neglected and became too spindly to grow.

Other IcMag folks had similar experience. One Icmag commercial grower got 60% - 70%. There is a reason Punto Rojo seeds are not $180 pack, and its not the high.

Cheers, hope that helps

 

[ThaiBliss]

Greetings,

I did some Ciskei re-reading and searching. I found some really good posts.

I did not find any plants that look much like the ones I have. Mine have quite skinny leaves:

Ciskei Front Left:

Ciskei Lower Right:

Here are some interesting quotes:

"The tropical seed crew gifted me their chiskei p4 I believe a while back. Very nice line, one of my favorite smokes to this day. Very clear headed and uplifting buzz. Clears the minds fog very well, an introspective unique high!"

^^^ https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=5570009&postcount=21

"Would say Ciskei high is a bit different than the last pure Durbans I´ve tried. Ciskei stays more in brain and mood for a longer time and also is a bit funnier when being in group. Durban is quite speedy and active, hitting very fast. ·Body· should be prepared for this, can surprise for those not used to this highs. Quite enjoyable both for the sativa lovers."

^^^ https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=5411142&postcount=3

"the Ciskei cross was very strong too but not overpowering. Lovely euphoric stuff, not at all muddy but had this warm body glow and very little comedown. The high had this "after two beers" aspect to it which I love

It doesn't destroy you but allows you to do what you're doing and also enjoy it more."

^^^ https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=6111660&postcount=43

"Nervous and electric high, it begins crazy fast, focus and clear effects that leaves you perfectly clean 1h30 later. A good daytime smoke. No body. No relax. Caffeine

"

^^^ https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=6220574&postcount=56

"The ciskei is somethjng else and ive been intrigued by it since first growing it years ago. Not only the fast flowering but the clear headed buzz and the quality of it is unlike anything ive ever had. Appearance of the finished flowers looks like nothing special but after smoking you realize yourself youve misjudged it. Its not powerfully potent but shines in other ways. This Is y I love this strain."

^^^ https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=6593723&postcount=54


All the Best,


ThaiBliss

 

[pinkus]

I love skinny leaved plants, but i really believe the leaflet morphology tells almost nothing about the quality of the high. When i see it I do take note, but IMO it only means that ONE of the ancestors was narrow leaved.

Unfortunately I've had a large percentage of the ultra thin leaved specimens are pretty hay like.

In other words it's a nice thing to look at but it's incidental to the trippyness. Your Bangi being a good example of why it's not very meaningful IN MY OPINION. that's all it is peeps

Love the thread

 

[ThaiBliss]

Hi Pinkus - There is no direct correlation between skinny and traits of the high. However, I've had dozens of trippy weed experiences from skinny leaf strains, and only 2 from fat leaf strains. The fat leaf ones were Burmese, and another unknown variety. The unknown variety was trippy, but only lasted 20 minutes or so. Usually trippy strains have a delayed reaction and are very long lasting.

All:

My plants have pretty much grown through the fencing that I used to trellis the plants and reduce branch breaking:

 

[ThaiBliss]

So... I'm trying another fat leaf strain. Actually, the seeds given to me have a variety of phenotypes. One looks fairly sativa like, but one looks to be the very fattest wide leaf plant I have growing this summer:

^^^ Despite the look, this plant does not smell acrid or skunky. It actually smells spicy and fruity. Some say it has a pineapple aroma.

If the plant above did smell like a skunk, and had leaves as fat as these, I would probably cull it before it flowered. I do think there is a correlation between the skunky aroma and couch-lock effect. Couch-lock is the anti-trip element for me.

Here is a picture of one of the many Nepalese Jamaicans that I have growing:

Some of the Nepalese Jamaicans smell strong. They have a candy and caramel aroma with a touch of medicine like aroma in the background.

ThaiBliss

 

[Elmer Bud]

In reference to bigherb's comparison of Neville's haze to Punto Rojo and ThaiBliss's reference to Nevilles Haze and 1970's Thai Stick.

My thought is - you both experienced a Haze high that you like - you'll like some, but not all Haze highs.........................

The punchline is that Haze is a poly hybrid, like a box of chocolates ~ you never know what your going to get. Neville, Shantibaba, and Mr Nice, crossed 3 poly hybrids ~ Haze Northern lights and Skunk #1. You never know what your going to get time three.

What you do get is a poly hybrid high, complex and multi-dimensional ~ a little of this ~ a little of that ~ viola ~~~ Poly Hybrid x Poly Hybrid x Poly Hybrid. No doubt, Nevile, Shantibaba, and Mr. Nice made great selections. However; Mango haze has that dense, complex stone with a heavy comedown.

Mango Haze's comedown goes away if you smoke all-day, but, Punto Rojo pheno-types have clarity, energy and purity in the high. That said, I'm smoking five relatively pure Colombians 18 - 24 weeks all with a different high or vibration. All good, but all different. Punto Rojo gold has a different high than Punto Rojo maroon, or Punto Rojo green or silver.

The high from NLD Mango Haze is IMO a few notches below Punto Rojo pheno-types in regards to purity and clarity of the high. NLD Mango Haze compared to Punto Rojo has a heavy, complex, and dense, sedating high.

First the question.

Did Neville's Haze use different Hazes than Mango Haze? Super Silver Haze used a Silver Haze. Silver Haze was not used in Mango Haze. Mango Haze has some purple fruity pheno-types. I've also seen Silver haze expressions in Neville's Haze.

Mango Haze used one Haze than is a dead ringer in growth structure for Coastal Green Colombian and a Haze with tropical fruit / mango aromas, maybe a mango Colombian or a mango Thai, who knows? The mango / fruity pheno in Punto Rojo is similar the high has euphoria, but lacks psychedelia and clarity of other Punto Rojo pheno-types. Conclusion, if you didn't like the high from a Haze used in a Haze poly hybrid, you'll probably not like the high from the new and improved Haze poly hybrid.

G`day Satva

Howard aka Mr Nice didn`t get involved in the breeding .
A cpl of strains were named by Howard .ie Shit and Nordle .

Nevil had two Haze males . Haze A and Haze C .

SSHz Uses [NL x Hz C ]X [SK x Hz C .]
Nevil`s Hz ;[ NL x HZ A ]x [Hz C .] Mango Hz ;[ NL HzC ] x [SK x HzA .]

NL Hz C is in Jack Herer as well .

Silver Haze is a different line .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Mustafunk]

G`day Satva

Howard aka Mr Nice didn`t get involved in the breeding .
A cpl of strains were named by Howard .ie Shit and Nordle .

Nevil had two Haze males . Haze A and Haze C .

SSHz Uses [NL x Hz C ]X [SK x Hz C .]
Nevil`s Hz ;[ NL x HZ A ]x [Hz C .] Mango Hz ;[ NL HzC x [SK x HzA .]

NL Hz C is in Jack Herer as well .

Silver Haze is a different line .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

The original Jack Herer clone should be [NL#5 x Hz C ] x [SK x Hz C] as well, isn't it? At least I remember how both Sensi and Greenhouse used the same [NL#5 x Hz C ] x [SK x Hz C] clone to win the Cannabis Cups as Jack Herer and SSH in different years (94 and 98 afaik). Then this cut coud be probably used as a mom for both companies. I was told that Soma shared this old SSH clone from Greenhouse several years ago. It could definitely be the epitome of the original Jack Herer and SSH legacy.

One thing I've always respected a lot from Nevil was the fact that he was always pretty transparent with lineages, no bullshit whatsoever from what I see. Now we have all this valuable information about females and even males used in order to understand his past works and those derived from them. It also helped to understand that actually the father of dutch genetics was him, besides the claims of many others or the fact that he used imported genetics from USA, Sacred Seeds and so on.

It's a pity that since then, most people started renaming and hiding shit in order to pretend it was something brand new... otherwise I'm sure many of us will be surprised about how "similar" many hybrids from nowadays would be.

I'm sure that we would find many of those original lineages in the recipes from most legendary dutch genetics from Greenhouse, Sensi Seeds and even Serious Seeds too. Too bad nobody was there to document our history at the time and we can only speculate now.

Vibes.

 

[mexicani-ar]

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Bodhi Acapulco Gold, 45th day of flowering 11/13 - on/off, saludos mexicani-ar

 

[ThaiBliss]

Bodhi Acapulco Gold, 45th day of flowering 11/13 - on/off, saludos mexicani-ar

Hi Mexicani-ar,

Thanks for posting the pictures here. I'm loving the way that plant looks. It is old school for sure. Best looking Acapulco Gold I've seen.

Does Bodhi sell those seeds in dispensaries somewhere in California?

Thanks,

T.B.

 

[mexicani-ar]

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Hi Mexicani-ar,

Thanks for posting the pictures here. I'm loving the way that plant looks. It is old school for sure. Best looking Acapulco Gold I've seen.

Does Bodhi sell those seeds in dispensaries somewhere in California?

Thanks,

T.B.

Hola ThaiBliss, thanks for the kind words, I'm sorry ,I'm not familiar with California area and it's dispensaries, have seen these being offered at GLG , saludos mexicani-ar

 

[mexicani-ar]

quality over quantity

quality over quantity

I haven't seen that pic in sometime , awhile ago I looked hard for it . I thought it was aldous who grew it maybe that why I couldn't find it . If I recall it was one of 3 or four different phenos . Truly Haze Dom that most growers today would discard . Id kill for that pheno

This pic /plant is from sometime before brother bushy was around . I don't believe he has acquired this clone or if it has even been kept


1luvbigherb

Thanks for the info bigherb, I would definitely love to have this pheno ,similar to barneys farm Dr.grinspoon, and you are correct most growers would discard a pheno like this, saludos mexicani-ar

 

[satva]

I love skinny leaved plants, but i really believe the leaflet morphology tells almost nothing about the quality of the high. and

When i see it I do take note, but IMO it only means that ONE of the ancestors was narrow leaved. No relation between skinny and the high.

I have zero experience grwing and or smoking WLD. Mango haze is as WLD as I've ventured. I consider the plant growth structure in addition to NLD / WLD.

However.........you'd be hard pressed to find a WLD pheno-type of Punto Rojo, but its quite easy to find a WLD expression in a poly-hybrid like Mango Haze. One of the Hazes in Mango Haze is pine/citrus and one is tropical fruit, hence the Mango name. Mango Haze high is much denser and complex than Punto Rojo with a comparatively heavy comedown compared to Putno Rojo. You can't select NLD pheno-types from a poly hybrid like Mango Haze in hopes of eliminating the WLD influence in the high.

The Colombian Haze in Mango Haze is a dead ringer for Coastal Green Colombian - pine / citrus

 

[yaxu]

a pleasure to go through here,thaibliss

Zamaldelica regular.

 

[Tangwena]

Outstanding plant and buds, what more can I say.
Tangwena

 

[ThaiBliss]

Yaxu - Wow! Nice buds. An excellent looking example of Dubi's masterpiece.

Thanks for the good vibes, and for what you are bringing to "The Search..." It is easy to tell that you are a very good grower with excellent taste and style. I hope you are preserving your best genetics to pass on to the next generation of aficionados.

ThaiBliss

 

[420Johnny]

ThaiBliss, I applaud your dedication to this pursuit! Not many folks our age want to be "tripping balls", lol!

The 1st time I ever got high was on some brick mexican. About the 3rd time I had tried getting high, but this day my BF and I both got crazy, cartoonland high. Been chasing it ever since!

Not really. After we smoked up the rest of the Z the next day trying to relive "the Trip", (ending up w/ headaches) I eventually realized my "receptors" were now tainted.

Sure, I do love an exhilarating sativa high, and I have experienced fleeting psychedelic traces, what I refer to as 'syntax slip', many times while under their power. It's always a gift to me, but now I don't try and chase it, just let it be.
I haven't smoked Zamal in any form, but I'm sure you're on the right trail. I'll be following along, my fellow canna-naut, soar on!

Judging from the conversation, most of us would do well to quit smoking for 3-7 days and reset our systems. The highs you chase do exist, but if you smoke daily all day your going to miss the special ones that come by every now and then because our receptors are saturated.

The other thing is that a large portion of that "special" day you experienced is due to your surroundings on that particular day. I smoked the best weed of my life back in 1980, some Mexican Red Hair.. sat and laughed for hours, could not even ride my bicycle 3 blocks home. But the sad truth was I hadn't smoked in months, it was good up weed, and it was a beautiful day with friends sitting around the picnic table. The really hard part when you're chasing something is you can never really recreate that particular day. Didn't surprise me you had a headache instead of bliss.

Someone earlier thought paranoia isn't a side effect of pot, but simply someones mind going down a dark alley instead of thinking wonderful blissful thoughts. Paranoia is a REAL side effect for some people, saying they are wired wrong is like saying people are fat because of what the eat, for some yes, for others its a medical condition. Everyone of us has some paranoia tucked away inside of us, it just takes a trigger and in this case its pot to set it in motion. We are all a little defective in our genetic makeup, some more susceptible than others. Over do some edibles and you might just find that you get paranoid as well.

I have many patients that stay away from certain strains because they make them paranoid. Could they smoke them again without getting paranoid, of course. But for them its just the reverse of that special day.. they don't want to go find that day again so they stay clear of those strains. -paece

 

[Cannabisso]

Hi ThaiBliss. Nice thread.

Cambodian Khmer

 

[ThaiBliss]

420Johnny - Good points. Some truth to them. I would only say that smoking Thai Stick was trippy every time for the decade that I was getting them. However, no two experiences were exactly alike. That is the nature of trip.

My theory is the CBD and possibly CBN is anti trip. If you smoke a lot of that, it stays in your bloodstream and dulls your THC receptors for a period of time. It would be wise to lay off for a week is someone wants to turn you on to some really clear clean weed that gets you "high" instead of "stoned". Another idea is that since I have experienced the intense type of trip weed, I can recognize it easier when I get a wisp of it. In fact, I remember smoking weed with first time smokers who didn't really recognize that they were high, despite the fact that I could see them behave differently. That was back in the days when indica/hash plant weed was not widely available.

Cannabisso - Gorgeous little Cambodians!

 

[ThaiBliss]

Trip Weed Preservation

Trip Weed Preservation

As I have decided that having exceptional trip weed genetics that is late ripening is not especially valuable as far north as I live without a decently potent, clean, clear, cerebral, and EARLY ripening trip weed to breed it to, I am working towards improving my early genetic stock. I want to have good breeding stock for mating to anything extra potent that might come along. Towards this goal, here are my seed plants for outdoor growing next summer:

^^^ Inside this one pot are...

The Dank Dank male:

The super skinny leaved Bangi Haze:

Fruity Pebbles:

The best Dank Dank female found so far:

I will certainly find out next summer if that unique looking male is any good. I chose it because...

1.) It was the earliest plant out of 24 to show it's gender. It being male was special since the females seem to show first.

2.) The aroma reminded me of the best female I have found so far.

3.) The thin leaflets and overall light green color reminds me of the best genetics that I have plowed into this line or the last several decades.

Best,

ThaiBliss

 

[ZanzibarDawa]

...and more Cambodian...

...and more Cambodian...

A little update on my Cambodian.

Leaves still getting thinner by the day and the craziest serrations! I like the smell too, nice citric aromas, I hope the smell doesn't change too much.

ZD