The Search for Trip Weed

[satva]

Punto Rojo -1, smoke report

Punto Rojo -1, smoke report

Punto Rojo - 1 has my favorite high. Haze growth, very branchy, thin leaf, asymetrical branching, long flowering, Long wispy colas. No real clusters of calyxes that we'd call buds.

Colombian Haze Light green sweet tropical fruit aroma in flower.
Longest flowering and most wispy flowers. Growth structure went asymmetrical in early vegetation. South America haze branching structure is often has symmetrical branching and Thailand haze branching structure is asymetrical. This

Spiritual High is felt in the Crown charka top of the head awareness. Trippy sense of space and awareness. This one is blissful, peaceful, nice soft energy flow, clean, clear very expansive. High is centered and focused enough for meditation. No negatives in the high or after high.

The high from Punto Rojo -1 grown from clone is exquisite. One of the classic early 1970's Colombian Haze highs: psychedelic, euphoric, pleasurable, feel good high.

Its not properly cured so its smoking harsh, and the terpenes will continue to develop and mature for another +3 months. Probably needs + 5 months of cure, only about 2 months so far.

The high is uplifting and felt in the crown chakra / top of the head. Its a mellow high, but things are moving around with blissful waves of sensation. Very very pleasurable and fun loving high.


light green / gold in late flower


two month cure, probably needs + 5 months.

 

[Waldgeist]

hello thai

thought it was abit boring

the silver haze isnt trip for me
the c5 x Malawi isnt too

but the small malawi bud that broke off some weeks ago
it was little bit trippy, got me an alien like feel, i didnt fit reality too well

hehe

the yello fever tree
my malawi that youve seen grown some time before
never lost this cut
still think its trip weed
my best horse maybe, as it will lead you to water and offer some drinks





its 101 days in flower
and i aim for gold (18 weeks)

have some fun

wald

 

[ThaiBliss]

Greetings,

I've been taking some time off this thread for a while, but I have something I'd like to share. I finally got some new strains growing. I have seedlings started for my outdoor project. I'm excited about one of the strains called Bushman's or Ciskei. It is from S. Africa by way of a freebie when I ordered from Cannabiogen.

The seedlings are small right now, but I copied a picture posted by Thule. I believe the picture came from a seed company's website that had these genetics, Herbarias:

I believe this is not ripe until mid October or later, but I'm giving it a try. I'd like to cross it to Bangi Haze to make it earlier because the description of the high is similar, clear, clean, and energetic.

I'll post pictures of the seedlings in a few weeks when they start getting bigger.

Thanks to all of you for keeping this thread alive by posting now and then. You good people are some dedicated old school sativa aficionados.

ThaiBliss

 

[MostlyMe]

It's not trip weed as I've come to understand TB's concept of it, but Mextiza definitely has trippy qualities. It wraps you in a warm and happy blanket without numbing the mind in a way I've never experienced before. Ah, such bliss! But that's not trippy. The trippy thing about it is the reality altering qualities. Some weed makes your surroundings seem less familiar, some more. Mextiza does the latter to the extreme.

These are just first impressions btw, it's still curing. A HMxBB for comparison is close to harvest.

 

[Thule]

Greetings,

I've been taking some time off this thread for a while, but I have something I'd like to share. I finally got some new strains growing. I have seedlings started for my outdoor project. I'm excited about one of the strains called Bushman's or Ciskei. It is from S. Africa by way of a freebie when I ordered from Cannabiogen.

The seedlings are small right now, but I copied a picture posted by Thule. I believe the picture came from a seed company's website that had these genetics, Herbarias:

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I believe this is not ripe until mid October or later, but I'm giving it a try. I'd like to cross it to Bangi Haze to make it earlier because the description of the high is similar, clear, clean, and energetic.

I'll post pictures of the seedlings in a few weeks when they start getting bigger.

Thanks to all of you for keeping this thread alive by posting now and then. You good people are some dedicated old school sativa aficionados.

ThaiBliss

That's actually a Bushman's Ciskei plant I grew in 08 and kept around as a clone for quite some time. I believe I still haven't flowered a single plant as often as I did this very special plant.

Very squat growth habit, negligible stretch and 55 days of flowering, good yield too but it's a "sativa" that really needs some time to veg. Strange liqourise like taste, quite energetic, quite clear and sociable but used to bring a strange vibe with it, it can really alter one's perception of the surroundings.

And there's a trip story too..

I remember being in a stressed state of mind so I thought a big bowl of weed might help, I went for the Bushman's that time. Bad move. The little stress I had earlier very quicly escalated into full on paranoia as it felt like the walls were collapsing on me, I actually thought I was seeing grotesque faces appearing on the wall.. I knew I needed some music to shake it off, I just knew it. But as I tried putting it on from the computer everything just started shutting down, there wasn't going to be any music. I don't remember how exactly that happened but I was sure there were some evil forces at play

Anyway this herb gained my respect that day, I never had hallucinations from weed after that. I have the new Ciskei strain so I'm tempted to try but last year when I grew one it was nothing like the Ciskei I knew, stretched like a mofo and took ages to sex. It was male too..

 

[Thule]

It's not trip weed as I've come to understand TB's concept of it, but Mextiza definitely has trippy qualities. It wraps you in a warm and happy blanket without numbing the mind in a way I've never experienced before. Ah, such bliss! But that's not trippy. The trippy thing about it is the reality altering qualities. Some weed makes your surroundings seem less familiar, some more. Mextiza does the latter to the extreme.

These are just first impressions btw, it's still curing. A HMxBB for comparison is close to harvest.

I completely agree about the effects. I found the perfect balance in Mextiza and the sweet lemon taste is a turn on in itself. The high gains a lot of depth after one month of curing, enjoy it! This is the weed I would smoke all day if I could.

 

[PicosPoisonftw!]

Was this consistent with each pheno, or?

I completely agree about the effects. I found the perfect balance in Mextiza and the sweet lemon taste is a turn on in itself. The high gains a lot of depth after one month of curing, enjoy it! This is the weed I would smoke all day if I could.

 

[Thule]

Was this consistent with each pheno, or?

More or less I guess, some phenotypes however yield a lot less than others.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Hi Thule,

Thanks so much for posting with clarifications and observations. I hope I get lucky and find a winner like the ones you used to grow.

T.B.

 

[village green]

Sorry for the digression, but does anyone know where to point me for Mextiza seeds?

 

[Shooters]

Sorry for the digression, but does anyone know where to point me for Mextiza seeds?

CannaBioGen has a partner website with Ace at Aceseeds.org but Mextiza isn't currently listed.

 

[MostlyMe]

I completely agree about the effects. I found the perfect balance in Mextiza and the sweet lemon taste is a turn on in itself. The high gains a lot of depth after one month of curing, enjoy it! This is the weed I would smoke all day if I could.

Looking forward to smoking the cured stuff! Mextiza could be holy grail for me if she gains depth. In fact, I bet it could convince the indica crowd they've been smoking the wrong end of cannabis genetics all along It even has the low flowering time.

Was this consistent with each pheno, or?

I only had two plants and two phenos. One had weird fan leaves, like the middle two fingers had been cut off. At first I thought they had been caught in the zipper of my tent lol. Anyway, this pheno was darker green, lower yielding but quicker to finish (10 weeks 12/12). The other pheno (12 weeks) was taller and more enthusiastic about creating flowers, unfortunately male ones as well. The highs are similar at this point.

Sorry for the digression, but does anyone know where to point me for Mextiza seeds?

It was a one-off from Cannabiogen I believe, probably because of the hermies. Maybe some retailers still have it.

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Speaking of hermies, what do the good people here think about seeded bud, apart from the loss of yield and the nuisance of having to pick out the seeds? Does it reduce potency and quality?

 

[village green]

Thanks MostlyMe and Thule (via PM).... may have found it through a Spanish source

Regarding seeded bud, I seem to recall DJ Short saying he preferred the high to that of sensi

 

[MostlyMe]

Thanks MostlyMe and Thule (via PM).... may have found it through a Spanish source

Regarding seeded bud, I seem to recall DJ Short saying he preferred the high to that of sensi

That's nice, you won't regret buying them

Yes, I read about DJ's preference too. It seems a common opinion that pollination reduces yield, but not potency and quality, although some people disagree. I can't tell with my pollinated Mextiza crop. It's stronger than anything left over from my previous harvests over (>6 months ago) but usually smoking fresh bud easily takes me to an uncomfortable place. Not Mextiza though. Perhaps that is due to the nature of the high, or because my tolerance is higher than before. I'll know more when my Golden Tiger and HMxBB finish.

Sorry to go off-topic a little, but encountering hermies is probably more likely when looking for trip weed. If it's just for the buds, we might not have to throw them out.

 

[bigtacofarmer]

I agree lightly seeded bud can be as good and maybe even add a lil to the character of the buzz and flavor. I also think anything more than lightly seeded the quality usually drops quickly, at least with what I have grown and pollinated. I also used to grow a bubble berry that retained its full flavor no matter how many seeds and even extremely immature buds retained a great flavor. I have not came across any other plants I would say this about. Not that it is something I've sought.

 

[satva]

Hey MostlyMe, I'm glad you like Mextiza. Tell me more! Mextiza is a strain I'd like to experience. A long + 3 month cure on a mostly sativa should improve the flavor and add complexity and duration to the high.

Did your Mextiza hermie?

1973 Highland Mexican x Blueberry is best harvested clear cloudy, prior to amber and smoked after a very long cure when the funky skunk aroma changes to a wonderful floral/mint/temple incense. At that point in the cure, the high is much more complex.

Lightly seeded, if the seeds are maturing at the same time as the resin glands you won't find much difference in the high or strength, the yield will decrease. I seed 10% - 15% of the small lower buds and they are not much to smoke, but the upper 90% - 85% upper flowers are not effected. I harvest the lower flowers as they fade after the seeds are mature. Smoking seeds in 2016 is not any more pleasant than it was in 1970....

In a 16 - 22 week strain like Punto Rojo, that gets fully pollinated in week 3 - 4 of white pistils, the seeds will be ready at 8- 9 weeks, and the plant will begin to fade when an unseeded plant is in mid-flower. I won't do that again, lightly pollinating Punto Rojo at about 10 - 11 weeks after they first show white hairs is ideal, as the seeds and resin are maturing at + 18 weeks.

My favorite longest flowering light green/ gold Punto Rojo pheno-type is ready earliest first this round - why? Come to find out she has more seeds, than I prayed for.

 

[Joint Lock]

Greetings,

When I started smoking weed, approximately 45 years ago, it seemed like a time or two ever year my friends and I would come across something that was extraordinarily powerful and trippy. Back then, I smoked every chance I got. Some weed was very good, some O.K., and a lot was pretty bad. I think I smoked and tried a lot of varieties from different sources mostly to find those trippy strains and have those occasional mystical experiences that come from discovering those varietal gems. The best examples of what I am talking about are:

Jamaican Ganja
Thai Sticks
Sumatran
Neville's Haze (acid pheno) - A good example of a more recent discovery.

Some other examples that were also pretty good were:

Higher quality Colombian
The occasional Californian homegrown in the late 70s
Higher quality Mexican

I have been growing for about 35 of those 45 years that I have been smoking. The sad truth is, I have only grown 5 - 7 or so plants successfully that I considered world class. I am really picky, and perhaps not the best grower. I may have grown 10 - 15 that were really good. Lately, I have grown some good stuff, but it has been almost 10 years since I have had anything that I consider world class. I believe the popularity of Indica and Sativa Indica crosses have made the extremely potent and trippy strains harder and harder to find. This thread is dedicated to my search for some world class trippy weed.

Lately I have been trying some strains from ACE Seeds, since there are a lot of Southeast Asian offerings and many strains are crossed to a Thai plant. So far, I really like the high of Bangi Haze. If it was more potent, I could call it world class, but it is not quite there yet. I'm keeping it to bring down flowering time of anything world class that I find. Bangi Haze is that good. Currently, I've just harvested Zamaldelica. I have not sampled it yet. I started a thread called "Zamaldelica - The Search for Trip Weed", and I'm relieved to see that there seems to be an interest in this type of weed. I'm relieved because I assumed that most of the tokers that like that old fashioned weed had disappeared. So many argue that weed has gotten stronger, which is exactly contrary to what I have experienced. I think that trippy energetic weed is way stronger than the couch-lock weed I often now experience. It is almost as if the part that makes you feel tired is being counted towards potency by the newer generations of Cannabis aficionados. I consider couch-lock to be a dirty side effect, best bred out of the strain, much like the paranoia effects should be bred out from the opposite side of the spectrum of highs.

I have recently acquired some good strain prospects that are not ACE offerings, and I'm hoping that there is as much interest in trip weed outside of the specific seed company threads. I don't intend for this thread to be Sativa strains only, as long as the strains are trippy, energetic, and hopefully clean and clear. I'm willing to tolerate paranoia, since it has often goes hand-in-hand with extreme potency. I usually build up a tolerance to paranoia without building up a tolerance for the potency of the high. The Bangi Haze is as Indica looking as a strain can be, but the effect is as up and energetic as a strain can be. It is really happy weed like good Mexican. In a word, Irie! I have also had an Indica that was very trippy in a flashy way. It lasted about 10 minutes of the trippy part, then was plain old Indica high for the rest of the hour. If that 10 minutes lasted 4 hours, I would have called it world class.

One of the strains I have on deck is Nanan-Bouclou, which is Papua New Guinea Gold x Haitian. I heard rumors that New York City "Piff" or "Church Haze" might be Hatian. So far I'm a little concerned as it looks like an Indica x Sativa cross, but I'm going to stick with it because you never know for sure until you smoke it.

ThaiBliss

c99 @ 7-8weeks will do the trick

 

[MostlyMe]

I agree lightly seeded bud can be as good and maybe even add a lil to the character of the buzz and flavor. I also think anything more than lightly seeded the quality usually drops quickly, at least with what I have grown and pollinated. I also used to grow a bubble berry that retained its full flavor no matter how many seeds and even extremely immature buds retained a great flavor. I have not came across any other plants I would say this about. Not that it is something I've sought.

I don't know what lightly seeded is, as this is the first time I have harvested seeds at all. The buds are not chock full of seeds though (see pics below)

Hey MostlyMe, I'm glad you like Mextiza. Tell me more! Mextiza is a strain I'd like to experience. A long + 3 month cure on a mostly sativa should improve the flavor and add complexity and duration to the high.

Did your Mextiza hermie?

Yes, one of two plants hermied... first time for me, so I didn't really know what to look for and the plant was in the back anyway. Found the pollen sacks after harvest.

Hermie on the left, another pheno on the right, and the zoomed pic is the hermie as well.

I usually like my weed best when it's one to two months in the jar. Taste is already quite developed and potency is still high. From there on it does indeed gain complexity but it also loses potency. My Double Thai I harvested 1 year ago, for example, is still nice, but not nearly that shot of caffeine it used to be.

Hmm, what more to tell about Mextiza? During my first try it took a good 20 minutes to reach full effect. Usually in that situation, you feel it's gonna hit you soon, like tightness on the chest or tingles on your head. None of that with Mextiza, it just washes over you. No rush, no racing heart, just bliss. It's probably impossible to freak out on this stuff.

Lightly seeded, if the seeds are maturing at the same time as the resin glands you won't find much difference in the high or strength, the yield will decrease. I seed 10% - 15% of the small lower buds and they are not much to smoke, but the upper 90% - 85% upper flowers are not effected. I harvest the lower flowers as they fade after the seeds are mature. Smoking seeds in 2016 is not any more pleasant than it was in 1970....

I see. So what do you recommend I do with my pollinated Golden Tiger and HMxBB that are still in my tent (12 weeks 12/12)? They started yellowing early. I thought it was a pH problem but now I know it was the pollination. Now they have that end of life look (dying leaves) but still quite a bit of white pistils. Trichs are starting to get cloudy, which is usually when I start thinking about harvesting, but GT at 12 weeks 12/12 is a bit short even with pollination. Flowering time of HMxBB is listed as 11 weeks I believe, so that might be ready.

c99 @ 7-8weeks will do the trick

No sir, it will not Not a bad strain though.

 

[satva]

Found the pollen sacks after harvest.

Your Mextiza flowers look lightly seeded, a fully seeded flower that size would have + 20 seeds. Long flowering sativas like Oaxacan frequently develop a few male pollen sacks in late flowering. I'm flowering 2011 Copalita Oaxacan with some exotic Thai-like pheno-types - first female flowers that hermied to male in early flower and were culled.

The more classic looking Mexican (South American) phenos of Copalita Oaxacan appear to have stable sex thru mid-flower. I'm pollinating a few lower branches of Copalita Oaxacan with HM x BB. I haven't yet found a good stable sex Copalita Oaxacan male, but I will. I have HM x BB, Punto Rojo, Haze x Skunk, and Colombian Gold x Jamaican Lambsbread pollen. I'll choose one more male hopefully, a Copalita male.

What do you recommend I do with my pollinated Golden Tiger and HM x BB...?

If you planned for seeds, check a few calyxes to see if they' are mature, prior to harvest. The rules of clear>cloudy> amber still apply in seeded plants. Seeded plants will fade and turn amber more quickly. HM x BB has some indica, I don't recommend letting HM x BB turn amber, although I've seen sativa dominate pheno-types of HM x BB go 13 - 14 weeks with only a bit of amber.

On Golden Tiger, if you pollinated the lower or isolated female branches, harvest these branches when the seeds are mature. Harvest the remaining unseeded Golden Tiger flowers later.

Interested in how Mextiza compares to HM x BB. I'm flowering a HM x BB male and female alongside Copalita Oaxacan for comparison, Plan A (Oaxacan f2) has now become Plan B - (Oaxacan x HM x BB).


Copalita Oaxacan thin leaf pheno-type

Copalita Oaxacan early-flower on left, Punto Rojo mid-flowering on the right. This is the Copalita Oaxacan pheno-type, I selected two of these hazy Oaxacan females, similar growth to Punto Rojo.

 

[bigtacofarmer]

Imo. Lightly seeded. You are picking seeds out of weed, heavily seeded you are picking weed out of seeds. Seeds I imagine, will always taste like crap if smoked.