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The Search for Trip Weed
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I haven't shared with this thread for awhile, so I made sure to bring something pretty nice to make up for it. Gypsy Nirvana Thai Stick @ Day 112. Really nice yielder this girl. I like it when it takes my whole hand to cup my ladies buds. Should be ready in a month.
Just a hair past 4 months. The mom was taken around 5.5 months, and the clone has been flowering quicker than the mum, so It shouldn't take more than another month till chopping day. I can't wait.
led05
Chasing The Present
Tropical Plant Flowering Times
Tropical Plant Flowering Times
Has anyone put much thought into the effect the moon has on flowering being that it's a huge source of Far Red?
Emerson I believe was the first to discover the effects of Phytochrome on flowering plants that are driven by an internal clock based on day length or night length, however you want to look at it.
More recent studies (I believe Rauber / PAD) have proposed that outdoor night time and indoor night time are not consistent. They even came up with a "speed" of Outdoor night Vs. Indoor night whereas I believe it was outdoor speed is 1.2 and indoors as a base is 1.0 / hour (this is from memory but it's close to this).
I'm not sure if the 1.2 / 1.0 is 100% accurate but I firmly believe that outdoor night is "quicker" than indoor night due to the vast quantities of Far Red that is reflected from the Moon, it doesn't take much Far Red to trigger phytochrome at all ftr.
Anyone who ever wondered how plants could start flowering outside under close to 14 hours of daylight, well it's 10 hours of outdoor darkness is closer to 12 hours of indoor darkness.
With that said, I think it's safe to go less than 11 hours light INSIDE to expedite ripening and maybe even down to 10 hours indoors as 10 hours light inside is dang close to 12 hours light outside, MHO, of course the Moon does much more than just reflect FR but this is a huge piece RE flowering times.
Tropical Plant Flowering Times
Has anyone put much thought into the effect the moon has on flowering being that it's a huge source of Far Red?
Emerson I believe was the first to discover the effects of Phytochrome on flowering plants that are driven by an internal clock based on day length or night length, however you want to look at it.
More recent studies (I believe Rauber / PAD) have proposed that outdoor night time and indoor night time are not consistent. They even came up with a "speed" of Outdoor night Vs. Indoor night whereas I believe it was outdoor speed is 1.2 and indoors as a base is 1.0 / hour (this is from memory but it's close to this).
I'm not sure if the 1.2 / 1.0 is 100% accurate but I firmly believe that outdoor night is "quicker" than indoor night due to the vast quantities of Far Red that is reflected from the Moon, it doesn't take much Far Red to trigger phytochrome at all ftr.
Anyone who ever wondered how plants could start flowering outside under close to 14 hours of daylight, well it's 10 hours of outdoor darkness is closer to 12 hours of indoor darkness.
With that said, I think it's safe to go less than 11 hours light INSIDE to expedite ripening and maybe even down to 10 hours indoors as 10 hours light inside is dang close to 12 hours light outside, MHO, of course the Moon does much more than just reflect FR but this is a huge piece RE flowering times.
led05
Chasing The Present
I tend to think though 11 hours indoors is sufficient, at most 10.5/13.5 is most you ever need to go.
What Donald says below about avail of nutrients (especially N), water, weather etc also is a huge factor but it would be silly IMHO to overlook the moon pumping out FR and it's effects on cannabis internal clock...
What Donald says below about avail of nutrients (especially N), water, weather etc also is a huge factor but it would be silly IMHO to overlook the moon pumping out FR and it's effects on cannabis internal clock...
I spend a lot of time watching the grass grow. LOL. I think the moon has a huge influence, but I have noticed it on growth, not flowering. I'm not saying it isn't there. I'm saying that it is likely a big factor in flowering judging by the effects on growth it has. I have seen plants grow many inches in a day during a full moon, warm nights and mild days. 80 degree high temps seem best but I've read that 70 degrees is ideal for plants. In my arid climate, a day with 80 degree high temps will have significant time near 70 during the course of the day.
led05
Chasing The Present
Many inches on full moon, exactly, a full moon equals the most far red possible and we all know Far Red causes a plant to stretch, amongst many other things....
SpaceBros.
Member
I always thought decreasing light hours was the trigger for flowering outdoors not the absolute number of light or dark hours. Within a month of the Summer solstice my plants are clearly flowering with around 13.5 - 14 hrs of light.
led05
Chasing The Present
Outdoor vs Indoor Flowering Times
Outdoor vs Indoor Flowering Times
Space, The decreasing days do play a factor but if it were the only or even a primary factor one would think ripening would begin just after the Summer Solstice which is not the case especially as you get further from the equator.
I believe a number of factors are at play here but the primary one being day/night length which is really driven by the interaction of Red & Far Red aka Phytochrome. At night the moon is reflecting Far Red and IR but no or minuscule Near Red.
Although I believe Phytochome is the PRIMARY factor in triggering ripening in Short Day plants, I also believe other things are at play as well, such as:
- Shortening days,
- weather / climate,
- color change of the sun :
In spring / early summer more blue - higher angle in sky, as seasons go and late summer / fall approaches the sun becomes more red, at least in total daily output as it's lower in sky, think of the color of a sunrise & sunset, it's why many who use LED's like to awaken and put their plants to bed with HPS, it's what Ma Nature does... ! Then if you can, hammer them with some UVB from 10-2 or so, mid-day, again what Ma Nature does
- etc...
Tropical plants are different but to ignore Phytochome in Short Day plants is simply to be miss-informed, countless studies have proven it's existence (i.e. you can even ripen plants under 24 hours of light if given the right K temp / nm). At night the moon reflects a lot of Far Red and this is critical, I'd say the moon plays an even LARGER part in the tropics as the days experience much less variability from a light output POV so the the moon is hard at work.
There's a reason humans dating back millennia have planted in step with lunar cycles, our ancestors were no idiots, sadly we modern humans certainly have been RE our agrarian assets and especially this plant the past century.
Everyone who grows this plant and any plants and believes in what they do has a undeniable burden to breed and reproduce because if you don't, Monsanto & big bro will and we'll be left with terminator seeds across the board, sad sad....
Outdoor vs Indoor Flowering Times
Space, The decreasing days do play a factor but if it were the only or even a primary factor one would think ripening would begin just after the Summer Solstice which is not the case especially as you get further from the equator.
I believe a number of factors are at play here but the primary one being day/night length which is really driven by the interaction of Red & Far Red aka Phytochrome. At night the moon is reflecting Far Red and IR but no or minuscule Near Red.
Although I believe Phytochome is the PRIMARY factor in triggering ripening in Short Day plants, I also believe other things are at play as well, such as:
- Shortening days,
- weather / climate,
- color change of the sun :
In spring / early summer more blue - higher angle in sky, as seasons go and late summer / fall approaches the sun becomes more red, at least in total daily output as it's lower in sky, think of the color of a sunrise & sunset, it's why many who use LED's like to awaken and put their plants to bed with HPS, it's what Ma Nature does... ! Then if you can, hammer them with some UVB from 10-2 or so, mid-day, again what Ma Nature does
- etc...
Tropical plants are different but to ignore Phytochome in Short Day plants is simply to be miss-informed, countless studies have proven it's existence (i.e. you can even ripen plants under 24 hours of light if given the right K temp / nm). At night the moon reflects a lot of Far Red and this is critical, I'd say the moon plays an even LARGER part in the tropics as the days experience much less variability from a light output POV so the the moon is hard at work.
There's a reason humans dating back millennia have planted in step with lunar cycles, our ancestors were no idiots, sadly we modern humans certainly have been RE our agrarian assets and especially this plant the past century.
Everyone who grows this plant and any plants and believes in what they do has a undeniable burden to breed and reproduce because if you don't, Monsanto & big bro will and we'll be left with terminator seeds across the board, sad sad....
Riddleme
Member
Interesting conversation goin on. I have done experiments usin Infrared light and even 24/7 blue light and did not see any benefit but my results should not stop others from experimenting.
My current experiment usin mechanical resonance (vibration) is however very promising, I have a plant from clone that at 15 days of flower looks like the one I previously grew at 25 days, I am looking forward to seein if it finishes faster
My current experiment usin mechanical resonance (vibration) is however very promising, I have a plant from clone that at 15 days of flower looks like the one I previously grew at 25 days, I am looking forward to seein if it finishes faster
led05
Chasing The Present
Riddleme,
Mechanical resonance, interesting, what / why did you choose to test that, what's your hypothesis, what led to that adventure?
Also, what do you mean by test IR, IR is a HUGE range in regards to NM along the wave spectrum, Phytochrome is pretty specific bouncing b/w peaks of 660nm Red & 730nm FR I believe. What exactly was your test with IR, quite curious...
IN regards to 24/7 blue light, what was that purpose, what do you mean you didn't see any benefits, in regard(s) to what benefits, what was your goals in testing 24/7?
Mechanical resonance, interesting, what / why did you choose to test that, what's your hypothesis, what led to that adventure?
Also, what do you mean by test IR, IR is a HUGE range in regards to NM along the wave spectrum, Phytochrome is pretty specific bouncing b/w peaks of 660nm Red & 730nm FR I believe. What exactly was your test with IR, quite curious...
IN regards to 24/7 blue light, what was that purpose, what do you mean you didn't see any benefits, in regard(s) to what benefits, what was your goals in testing 24/7?
led05
Chasing The Present
How do you edit
How do you edit
How do you edit a post?
I'd like to add, IMO, that in addition to the moon, the setting sun puts the plants to sleep quicker due to a greater Far Red than Near Red % that is present during the day. This is the same for the moon IMO, the % of FR in proportion to Red reflecting of the moon and actually hitting earth is greater and one of the many reasons 14 hours of light outside works whereas inside it doesn't, a cheap Night time reptile bulb can help here, their spectral graphs are basically >700nm...
Someone also mentioned earlier, a while back, probably a few times that equatorial plants shouldn't be given more than @ 13-14 hours of indoor day length and that it "sets" them back in their life and IMO also certainly messes with their ripening schedule longer term.
I couldn't agree more, it would make sense when growing any plant to mimic as close as you can to where you know the plant comes from - Day length, light color, environment etc., if you're looking for that "special something" you had so many years ago. 18 hour, 24 hour day lengths for Veg, poor, poor plants....
How do you edit
How do you edit a post?
I'd like to add, IMO, that in addition to the moon, the setting sun puts the plants to sleep quicker due to a greater Far Red than Near Red % that is present during the day. This is the same for the moon IMO, the % of FR in proportion to Red reflecting of the moon and actually hitting earth is greater and one of the many reasons 14 hours of light outside works whereas inside it doesn't, a cheap Night time reptile bulb can help here, their spectral graphs are basically >700nm...
Someone also mentioned earlier, a while back, probably a few times that equatorial plants shouldn't be given more than @ 13-14 hours of indoor day length and that it "sets" them back in their life and IMO also certainly messes with their ripening schedule longer term.
I couldn't agree more, it would make sense when growing any plant to mimic as close as you can to where you know the plant comes from - Day length, light color, environment etc., if you're looking for that "special something" you had so many years ago. 18 hour, 24 hour day lengths for Veg, poor, poor plants....
Riddleme
Member
Have fans mounted to my drain table, broke an impeller on one which introduced a vibration into the table, the plants have responded well to it. The research backs up the response
The light experiments were years ago based on things I had read online. The 24/7 blue was to mimic the moon and was said to increase overall yields (it didn't) The IR light simply made em stretch more with no increase in production or potency
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ZanzibarDawa
Member
ThaiBliss and all others, thank you!
What a thread - what a wealth of information, anecdotes and wisdom!
Astonishingly enough I have read the whole thread...every single post. So count me in on the search!
Trip trip hooray! I can very well relate. In fact I only rarely smoked weed for what feels like a very long time. All the weed I could get my hands on was just that: weed in the purest sense of the word! It was boring or unbearably couch-lock or in fact most of the time - both.
I have had what I clearly would define as trip weed in Africa. It would, after some delay at the departure gates, send you straight through the better part of the galaxy. That stuff was my perfect definition of trippy. Sheer terror yet absolute bliss. It changed everything around me. I was still at the same place but far away, all looked absolutely familiar and the same as always, yet I saw everything with the eyes of a new born and it all looked different. I was still me, but for the first time saw me. It was as if there were not three but 4 dimensions I could perceive. The afterglow lasted forever. Hmmm, I think you have to read that after a few hits....
Right now I am running some Zamaldelica, three very distinct phenos:
1 very short, bushy, very dark green, probably shortest flowering (Malawi leaning?)
2 much lighter, double serrations, stretchier, branchy, semi-autoflowering (Zamal pheno?)
3 stretchiest, latest onset of flowering and slowest progression, lightest green, not as robust somewhat of a diva (Thai pheno?)
I also have some ACE Malawi too, lets's see if there is a somewhat clearer one and how they respond to cobbing...
For the future I plan to look into some Cambodian and maybe Sumatran as well as more Réunion genetics. And of course some of the usual suspects too.
ZD
What a thread - what a wealth of information, anecdotes and wisdom!
Astonishingly enough I have read the whole thread...every single post. So count me in on the search!
Trip trip hooray! I can very well relate. In fact I only rarely smoked weed for what feels like a very long time. All the weed I could get my hands on was just that: weed in the purest sense of the word! It was boring or unbearably couch-lock or in fact most of the time - both.
I have had what I clearly would define as trip weed in Africa. It would, after some delay at the departure gates, send you straight through the better part of the galaxy. That stuff was my perfect definition of trippy. Sheer terror yet absolute bliss. It changed everything around me. I was still at the same place but far away, all looked absolutely familiar and the same as always, yet I saw everything with the eyes of a new born and it all looked different. I was still me, but for the first time saw me. It was as if there were not three but 4 dimensions I could perceive. The afterglow lasted forever. Hmmm, I think you have to read that after a few hits....
Right now I am running some Zamaldelica, three very distinct phenos:
1 very short, bushy, very dark green, probably shortest flowering (Malawi leaning?)
2 much lighter, double serrations, stretchier, branchy, semi-autoflowering (Zamal pheno?)
3 stretchiest, latest onset of flowering and slowest progression, lightest green, not as robust somewhat of a diva (Thai pheno?)
I also have some ACE Malawi too, lets's see if there is a somewhat clearer one and how they respond to cobbing...
For the future I plan to look into some Cambodian and maybe Sumatran as well as more Réunion genetics. And of course some of the usual suspects too.
ZD
Greetings ZanzibarDawa,
It appears that you get it. Great definition.
Thanks for the good vibes.
ThaiBliss
