The Search for Trip Weed

[SpaceBros.]

@ThaiBliss

Nice thread and Punto Rojo pics

Just wanting to sharing my own experience, opinions and beliefs on trip weed. I hope that's OK. First off I personally define "trip-weed" simply as weed that induces visual or auditory hallucinations (however mild they may be) or delusional thoughts (deviations away from reality) on a consistent basis.

I highly doubt trip-weed is strain or cut specific since there is no-one out there claiming to have a trip-weed cut that consistently induces tripping like phenomena despite the plethora of strains and elite cuts on the market.

Most of the anecdotal accounts of trip weed comes from novice smokers smoking imported land-race varieties. One has to consider that these smokers were naive to Marijuana and over-stated the effect somewhat. We also must consider that trip-weed has a very high tolerance associated with it's use. The first time someone smokes trip weed they easily trip. On subsequent uses the dosage required to trip may go up 10-fold or more. Also lies the possibilty of imported trip-weed being intentionally "laced" with another substance responsible for the hallucinatory effects. Unintentional contamination akin to ergotism in rye in Salem may also be a possible factor. Cultural practices (girdling, soil used, curing - Malawi cobs) and environment (high altitude, intense UV/EMR) may also be a possible determinant since it's largely imported land-race Sativa associated with trip effects.


Potentiation may be another factor. For example it's quite well known (and scientifically plausible) that eating a myrcene rich mango prior to consuming cannabis can enhance it's (sedative) effects. We can try to look for other possible terpenes, like myrcene, that pass through the blood/brain barrier and experiment with then to see any possible trip like effects. I would suggest maybe try eating a large dose of raw carrots or drinking carrot juice and also Licorice/Anise as possible potentiators, just a hunch. THCV is also another cannabinoid that's often thrown around when trip weed is mentioned. Although it's rarely found in significant amounts in modern drug cannabis and has been shown to oppose some effects of THC at low doses.

Finally we must consider tripping off weed is possible through large dose oral consumption and even smoking very large doses (of trip favorable weed) but most people are not brave enough to push their limits.

On a personal note I had a Next Generation Romulan pulled a week or two early (almost all clear trichs) when I vaped a large dose (0.3g) in one hit at a low temperature (Herborizer XL level 6/190c) the effects were very over-whelming, uncomfortable with an "wirey" (not speedy or racy) after-effect. I often commented to others it made me feel as if my head was in space, although not literally. If I had maybe gone to 3 x 0.3 g doses in a short time frame who knows what the outcome may have been.

Hope this helps and happy hunting guys.

SB

 

[dr.nick]

used to have this connect in a town I lived in. He has a grower friend that had this sativa line he was working. that had the high you are looking for. I wouldn't call it "trippy," more life enhancing mood elevating with focus.

It had this distinctive top note, like rotten peach, bubblegum, and marshmellow combined melded with a cool herbaceous note that would give way to either citrus of fruit punch notes depending on the phenol.

It smoked like the generic "sativa" descriptions but for reals. Up, focused, happy, motivational not really racy but buzzy in this magical way. Like Christmas day as a child playing with new toys. type of authentic joy and enthusiasm. When you smoked enough the mind went to like cartoon logic and everything became like an ongoing joke you and everyone around was in on together.

it was the growers head stash strain and I would barely get any of it.

Everything else that guy had are all one my all time best list.

That strain though... could probably replace all anti anxiety, mood disorder, anti depressant medication altogether. It is a shame it is just one mysterious individuals headstash

I hope that that grower stumbles upon this post and decides to share his work with the world.

He once had this pure purple strain that smelled exactly like grade D maple syrup it had seeds in it that I traded back to the connect for more bud, like an idiot.

Almost, everything I had tried from this guy was just honestly on another level to everything and it was unique. He had a bunch of truly elite level keeper cuts that no one else has.

 

[ThaiBliss]

@ThaiBliss

Nice thread and Punto Rojo pics

Just wanting to sharing my own experience, opinions and beliefs on trip weed. I hope that's OK. First off I personally define "trip-weed" simply as weed that induces visual or auditory hallucinations (however mild they may be) or delusional thoughts (deviations away from reality) on a consistent basis.

I highly doubt trip-weed is strain or cut specific since there is no-one out there claiming to have a trip-weed cut that consistently induces tripping like phenomena despite the plethora of strains and elite cuts on the market.

Most of the anecdotal accounts of trip weed comes from novice smokers smoking imported land-race varieties. One has to consider that these smokers were naive to Marijuana and over-stated the effect somewhat. We also must consider that trip-weed has a very high tolerance associated with it's use. The first time someone smokes trip weed they easily trip. On subsequent uses the dosage required to trip may go up 10-fold or more. Also lies the possibilty of imported trip-weed being intentionally "laced" with another substance responsible for the hallucinatory effects. Unintentional contamination akin to ergotism in rye in Salem may also be a possible factor. Cultural practices (girdling, soil used, curing - Malawi cobs) and environment (high altitude, intense UV/EMR) may also be a possible determinant since it's largely imported land-race Sativa associated with trip effects.


Potentiation may be another factor. For example it's quite well known (and scientifically plausible) that eating a myrcene rich mango prior to consuming cannabis can enhance it's (sedative) effects. We can try to look for other possible terpenes, like myrcene, that pass through the blood/brain barrier and experiment with then to see any possible trip like effects. I would suggest maybe try eating a large dose of raw carrots or drinking carrot juice and also Licorice/Anise as possible potentiators, just a hunch. THCV is also another cannabinoid that's often thrown around when trip weed is mentioned. Although it's rarely found in significant amounts in modern drug cannabis and has been shown to oppose some effects of THC at low doses.

Finally we must consider tripping off weed is possible through large dose oral consumption and even smoking very large doses (of trip favorable weed) but most people are not brave enough to push their limits.

On a personal note I had a Next Generation Romulan pulled a week or two early (almost all clear trichs) when I vaped a large dose (0.3g) in one hit at a low temperature (Herborizer XL level 6/190c) the effects were very over-whelming, uncomfortable with an "wirey" (not speedy or racy) after-effect. I often commented to others it made me feel as if my head was in space, although not literally. If I had maybe gone to 3 x 0.3 g doses in a short time frame who knows what the outcome may have been.

Hope this helps and happy hunting guys.

SB

SpaceBros - Thanks for the post, and the good vibes. I agree to a large extent with your analysis. I have had a variety of trip like experiences on a wide variety of strains. My definition of trip weed is simply a bit broader, and I have smoked a few strains that were very consistent in their effect. Thai Sticks were one of those strains. Although I must admit, I treated it like gold, titrated it very carefully, and did not smoke it multiple times a day. In fact, I probably saved it for special occasions and/or only shared it with my closest friends. Perhaps the more ritualized nature of my consumption of it made it more special. Thai was the strain that I got on a regular basis and its effects, at least in my way of consuming it, were very dependable. I have grown Thai Stick, and one particular Neville's Haze plant that gave me nearly the same effect as those Thai Sticks.

I was getting those Thai Sticks on a regular basis for over a decade, and I was no inexperienced user at that time. I was an extremely heavy user. I smoke a tiny fraction now compared to back in the day, and yet it has been much harder to replicate those Thai Stick experiences in the last two decades, though I have on rare occasions. If I had some of the quality I am looking for in quantity, I would probably smoke much more. I just don't appreciate the sedative nature of today's most popular strains.

used to have this connect in a town I lived in. He has a grower friend that had this sativa line he was working. that had the high you are looking for. I wouldn't call it "trippy," more life enhancing mood elevating with focus.

It had this distinctive top note, like rotten peach, bubblegum, and marshmellow combined melded with a cool herbaceous note that would give way to either citrus of fruit punch notes depending on the phenol.

It smoked like the generic "sativa" descriptions but for reals. Up, focused, happy, motivational not really racy but buzzy in this magical way. Like Christmas day as a child playing with new toys. type of authentic joy and enthusiasm. When you smoked enough the mind went to like cartoon logic and everything became like an ongoing joke you and everyone around was in on together.

it was the growers head stash strain and I would barely get any of it.

Everything else that guy had are all one my all time best list.

That strain though... could probably replace all anti anxiety, mood disorder, anti depressant medication altogether. It is a shame it is just one mysterious individuals headstash

I hope that that grower stumbles upon this post and decides to share his work with the world.

He once had this pure purple strain that smelled exactly like grade D maple syrup it had seeds in it that I traded back to the connect for more bud, like an idiot.

Almost, everything I had tried from this guy was just honestly on another level to everything and it was unique. He had a bunch of truly elite level keeper cuts that no one else has.

dr.nick - Welcome. Thanks for making this thread your first post. Really cool. I hope it is the first of many. I've had a long day at work today, and it is nice to see two great posts here when I got home.

ThaiBliss

 

[sdd420]

That Thai stick would send you on a ride . I got some gypsy Thai stick sativa for someday . Peace

 

[Dave Coulier]

Guys, are you sure all this yellow dying flesh is worth smoking? Doesn't it contain a large percentage of degraded cannabinoids?
2 years ago a friend of mine gave me a jar of a great Zamaldelica individual that had foxtailing buds and from the outside the buds looked green but all the inner half was overripe like this. The smoke from these buds was good, but it was way better (in terms of high and flavor) when I took the time to cut the buds into individual foxtails and remove the yellow bottom of each foxtail leaving only the green part. Only then it turned into pure fire.
I'm curious to see how you'll describle the effects of these buds, but I can recommend cleaning a bud from the yellow parts and comparing the effects.

I think Ill give it a try cutting the foxtails into two samples. Ill report back if I notice anything significant. I can tell you already, the greener foxtails are more terpene rich than the yellow foxtails. Definitely a degradation of terps by this point, which I expect would negatively effect the affects I feel from the high.

I pulled out my scope and looked over some calyxes, and I saw clear heads as well as amber heads on both green and yellow calyxes. Although more amber heads on the yellow ones.

Im starting to feel like Ive gone too long with this lady, but I may as well go ahead and join the 200 club. 30 week club, if I do the full 210 days I planned on.

just my two cents

the plants that show this lately discussed yellowing/dying of the older calyx while pushing never ending fresh growth, theres something wrong for sure.
at some point these should stack calyx upon calyx instead of growing more stalk and single ones attached to it.
i think its related to N : (P) K ratio in the media/solution, too much N will generate the fresh growth and inhibits forming of cluster type flowers.
i dont believe these type of plants should be fed 'even' throughout their cycle, broke my nose several times tryin it, they always closed down production and grow this strange type of stalky-calyx flowers.

i would aim to finish the plant by nute regiment(and light timing, no need for any lower than 11/13), before a single calyx dies.

anyways, big respect for 200+ days flowering!

I think you guys are right the yellowing of foxtails on the plant with fresh pistils spitting out being a bad thing.

Although, Ill have to say Ive had two drastically different bud formations from 3 different Thai Ive grown out from this line, with all of them having low fertility levels after day 100, which is when most bud production will occur with these long flowering ladies. So in this instance with TSA, I dont believe high N levels would have induced this, nor could have. Its been the same bud structure both times Ive flowered her. Fertility levels have been under 200 ppm TOTAL, Not Nitrogen alone,for reaching back 3 months now.

I can attest to high fertility levels affecting bud structure quite a bit though. Ive even shared some of those failings in this thread before when TSB shot out the type of buds your talking about, if they can even be called that, but TSA isn't affected by too much N.

Im not sure not feeding at all will provide the best results for these ladies though. I think the best approach is to keep them healthy and green until your satisfied most of the bud production has occurred or nearly has, and then reduce N levels, or cut them off completely if one desires. Then just sit and wait until the decided harvest time.

Im with you on harvesting before calyxes begin yellowing/dying, but im too far in to stop now with this lady. Im not sure I really want to continue being a member of the 200 club on a consistent basis though.

Some pics of TSA buds and TSG buds to show the difference in structure.

TSA. Foxtails galore.

TSG. Chunkier from the get-go.

This is from TSB, who had bud structure just like TSG until I spiked her fertility levels with a feeding of 650 PPM, and well this shot out of a normal looking bud that previously looked just like TSG. So you are correct too high N levels affect bud structure, but Ive already made that mistake once with these Thai, and Ive learned how to avoid it.

 

[HatchBrew]

I'm still here lurking guys. Getting ready to move, headed north a little. Going to pop rest of my sativa seeds I have stashed once I'm settled in. Thai, Laos, Malawi, and some Haze crosses. Hoping I can load Khmer gold momma onto the truck, not sure yet. If not I found a local home for her, and have a cut rooting.
SAGE got attacked by caterpillars. Mostly due to my absence/lack of attention. Couple sprays cleared it up. Most of the bud will have to be hashed, but still some primo buds coming off her. I'll snap some pics with the sunrise tomorrow. Looking forward to running her again under better conditions/circumstances/care. I'll get another run in over the winter, and ramp her up for a spring+summer run outdoors.
Currently vegging out a bunch of seed testers for folks. Nothing trippy, but a favorite effect. The want to be social feel good, on-vacation, grin plastered on your face stuff. Several candidates, lots of fun.

Love Living It!!!

 

[satva]

The final test will be about 6 months from now, since so many tell me that the cure can make a striking difference.

Hey ThaiBliss, My seeded Punto Rojo was beginning to cure on the plant (blanching) which ensured a harvest of mature seeds. I pollinated the first female at 5 weeks of flower, which was too early, I'm seeding this round at about 12 - 13 weeks of flowering.

The seeded calyxes at 5 weeks were the most blanched at harvest - 17 week. I started smoking during a progressive harvest, no regrets, this is connoisseur marijuana. The wispy Punto Rojo flowers are curing very fast in the jars.

I found a nice Punto Rojo male and lightly pollinated a few lower branches of four Punto Rojo females ~ 15% seeded calyxes, should flower better for smoke. Also three Punto Rojo females x Destroyer/Highland Mexican. Destroyer x Highland Mexican is a stronger trippier high, but the Punto Rojo has an old school 1970's profound and feel good high.

Punto Rojo creates a natural trip with almost no stone or distortion of your mind. The high is laid back compared to the energy from Highland Guerrero x Blueberry.

Punto Rojo doesn't have that energetic, mind altering, or trippy rush that you get from Haze x Skunk. Its a very peaceful high! Blending dried herb - Punto Rojo makes (the high of) everything better. Punto Rojo x Acapulco Gold (Highland Mexican) and or Highland Thai should cross nicely.

 

[satva]

Punto Rojo Colombian

Punto Rojo Colombian

Punto Rojo - 1 ~ mid-flowering

Punto Rojo - 1 ~ mid-fl0wering

Punto Rojo -1 ~ mid-flowering

Punto Rojo - 2 early-flowering

Punto Rojo - 3 mid-flowering

 

[satva]

Punto Rojo - Colombian Gold

Punto Rojo - Colombian Gold

Punto Rojo - 4 ~ mid-flowering

Punto Rojo male - all four Punto Rojo females lightly seeded


USC Colombian Gold - late flowering

USC Colombian Gold ~ mid-flowering
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[Holeshot]

Very beautiful plants Sativa. The Punta Roja sounds like a very nice smoke. Well done . Congrats

 

[satva]

Cannabiogen's Punto Rojo -1 has a clean, spiritual feel good high with increased awareness.

USC's [(Colombian Gold/Jamaican) x Colombian Gold] is clear, uplifting, trippy, and spacious, similar to Highland Thai or what I call Destroyer Thai dominate.

 

[ValleyKush]

Really great posts guys. Sativa I love your descriptions and comparisons of all the sativas you have smoked. You guys have me considering getting some punto rojo seeds but I dont think I can afford any more lol. I would love to cross it to my nepalese ghandaruk line. If I find the warm, spiritual high I am looking for in the ghandaruk, that is. Bud pics are one pheno that got trained and became a lanky sprawling bush and full plant pic is her sis. Both have beautiful green pistils and hemlock scent. The bush is getting a little more sun then the tree which is why I think the bush has no mold and the tree has some. Either way these girls are hardy.


One of my goals is a warm, spiritual, feel good, increased awareness, northern outdoor sativa hybrid. The kind of high that should be cultivated under the sun, free of cost. So far ace panama, bangi, voileta, hfh danish gold and bodhi jahruba have been good first finds/ steps in the right direction, but I have alot more to sort through. Wish I had more space/funds to grow landrace sativas outside and not have to worry about yeilds for a few years

 

[ValleyKush]

Here is 1 of my 3 lao oys and a lao girl. She is starting to show cold stress so she will probly start to go in the greenhouse with a dehumidifyer to keep her a warmer at night. Very beautiful plants with no mold yet. I will get a full plant pic later.


Here is the most mold resistant panama. Beautiful lemoney, strawberry haze smell to her and no mold! Her nugs are much thicker then ghandaruk or lao so this is quite supprising. Last weekend this girl saw 10'' of rain and has only seen maybe 3 full days of sun in the last 2 weeks.

She got everything but her top cola covered in ghandaruk pollen. The seeds are developing very slowly due to poor weather but hopefully they will pull through! The dreamy warm high of the panama is pleasent but maybe a little too cloudy. Only been in jars for about 3 weeks so it should get better.

 

[village green]

I refuse to believe that the accumulated experience behind these posts could be mystified by such an easy fix...... but I will say that the pictures from the last two pages are familiar to me from plants grown close to bulbs. It happened on Mazar and it happened on SMCG. On a side note, has anyone tried a true version of C-99?

 

[Waldgeist]

I refuse to believe that the accumulated experience behind these posts could be mystified by such an easy fix...... but I will say that the pictures from the last two pages are familiar to me from plants grown close to bulbs. It happened on Mazar and it happened on SMCG. On a side note, has anyone tried a true version of C-99?

excess radiant heat
also known as 'the cool tube syndrome'

thaibliss, i think of a parabolic reflector with a vertical mounted bulb, <300w/m², and a shitload of fresh air ...

 

[Elmer Bud]

Dancing with the devil understanding and working with the properties of heat

Far IR (EMR 3500 - 6000 + nm) is low frequency IR radiation. It reflects very well off metal surfaces, reflects well off glass, it is absorbed by water & not absorbed well by air, but what I find most interesting is that Far IR has the power to penetrate biological and other solid / dense objects and create deep seated heat.

If God (for plants) is light, then Mid and Far IR must surely be in allegiance with the Devil !!!

 

[satva]

Smoke Report

Smoke Report

Destroyer x Highland Mexican
Meao Thai x 1960's Red Hair Mexican - Colombian x 1973 Highland Guerrero / Blueberry

Mrs. Perfume Skunk
Highland Mexican dominate cross with Destroyer (DS x HMBB) significantly improved the flowering structure of Highland Mexican.

Mr. Perfume Skunk pollinated four Punto Rojo females yesterday. A few Punto Rojo x Destroyer/Highland Mexican seedlings sprouted this week.

Mrs. Perfume Skunk cured ~ four months, smoking very nice. Destroyer also adds a cleaner more spacious high from the Highland Thai genetics in Destroyer. The high is spiritual, and calm, with psychedelic vibrations, the energy flow is a combination of spacey, calm and tripping. Makes you feel life is much better. And so it is! Close to ~ "As it should be". There if some stone and floating bodily sensations. Energy is soaring out the top of my head as I focus on this keyboard, which is abstract. Increased heartbeat and lots of energy with a feel good vibe very blissful. Pleasant rolling wave like energy thru my body is psycedelic. Increased sensory awareness makes the world a big fun place!

Mrs. Perfume Skunk combines well with Punto Rojo. Punto Rojo is a spiritual strain. The high is "As it should be" Punto Rojo is blissful in a natural and peaceful, but its not a feel good and groovey as the high from Mrs. Perfume Skunk.

The high has a psychedelic vibration, but does not increase mental activity. Thoughts and energy flow like a river without increased thought production, euphoric, expansive, sensory perceptions are intensified and psychedelic.

There is a connected energy to your world, sunlight, clouds, and the sky appear magical - similar to Don Juan's concept of seeing. (Seeing = an energetic and direct connection to your world and environment).

 

[ValleyKush]

I love the descriptive use of "carlos castaneta" type of high. Would you describe this as a earthy (or earthly?) energy vs a more astral? This type of enhanced awareness tends to send me off admiring nature in a very right hemisphere kind of way. Basic but with great depth. The spiritual component of say, east asian genetics would be the other half- complex and high thinking. A leftist utopia in the never ending spiral of existence, any stone you want to turn is there for you to contemplate and thoughts become tools for reaching insight.

I know Don juan taught to use both soul and spirit together when seeing so I guess this may not be the best analogy. Oh well.

I have yet to have a good nepalese with super spiritual vibes. Could you describe how that differs from the punto rojo? Obviously there are many different phenos and variation out there but I would enjoy hearing your experience.

 

[satva]

Would you describe this as a earthy (or earthly?) energy vs a more astral?

The high is more connected to the earth, but also psychedelic and spacious energy, without increased mental activity or too much intensity. Your awareness is heightened

Highland Mexican has earthy energy. Its great for outdoor activities hiking, biking, and gardening. Highland Thai is astral and cerebral, its very focused allowing concentration.

CBG's Highland Thai found in Destroyer is energetic, jazzy energy, astral, and blissful, but doesn't have the magical feel good connection. Destroyer also has Mexican genetics and Blueberry has Highland Mexican and Highland Thai genetics. That's the goal~ Highland Mexican x Highland Thai.

Punto Rojo is a tropical Colombian Haze. SamS recently noted Punto Rojo genetics were the dominate genetics in Haze. Cannabiogen's Punto Rojo (+ 18 weeks dark green leaves and very leafy, wispy flower) has a natural, calm high, but its also psycedelic. It's not strong or energetic, but has a high ceiling and is contemplative and mellow. I haven't smoked Nepalese in years but I'd guess thre is more complexity and higher dimensions in Punto Rojo than Nepalese. Some people have noted a God-like presence, from Punto Rojo. What I call "as it is".

The Nepalese Temple Hash we smoked in the 1970's had a calm, dreamy,feel good energy, but lacked the psychedelic energy of a Haze (tropical sativa). We often smoked Nepalese hash at night for the dreamy feel good high.

I've only smoked one pheno-type of Cannabiogen's Punto Rojo, but have four pheno-types in mid-late flower. There are lots of Colombian varieties, but Punto Rojo is known for its spiritual high.

 

[ValleyKush]

Thats an interesting point about blueberry, makes sense why it is such a great anti anxiety/ depressant. I am excited to watch you create your own super spiritual "blueberry". Although come to think of it I was under the impression blueberry was a thai x afgan., not that it really matters.

I wish I could have gotten chimeras bbxhm when it was around, heard nothing but good things. Ever have any experience wih the zipolite? I think it's a super special highland oxacan with an extreamly spiritual high- if my memory serves me. The other mexican I really wish I could get my hands on.

Have any of you tried the big sur holy weed? Bodhi and... I want to say snowhigh released seperate batches of this old nor cal heirloom a while back. It is supposed to be super spiritual and has been selected for 20+ years to favor a spiritual high. Word on the street is that the super special phenos are zipolite leaning. Bodhi said it was one of the most spiritual non-pure sativas he has had. Although I have spoken to some who say they didn't find anything particularly special in a pack.

It seems that the highlands tend to have the most interesting phenotypes for what we are looking for. Many say that this is due to high uv effecting the genetic canabanoid content. In theory would my cold, lowland enviroment slowly degrade the purity of the high over generations of acclimatization?