The Search for Trip Weed

[Donald Mallard]

Well it came to me as png sativa from a local source thats pretty reliable, ,(we are not too far from png , 1 hour plane trip)
it sure grew like a pure sativa , very late finish,
and was a mile better than our local sativa ,
so ill accept his word ...

I did grow png gold as a lad ,
this stuff was possibly stronger , but didnt have the nice fruity smell i recall from my first grow ,
it had a smell like some kinda adhesive , strong terps..

You know its strong when your talking to yourself ,, lol ..

 

[Bob Green]

Dude that PNG sounds like the ticket! I hope a day comes when I can order an ounce of PNG Gold, and Sumatran Tripping Weed grown and cured straight from the source.

 

[Bob Green]

Ha, You must spread some rep around before giving to the Mallard again!!!

 

[Illuminate]

303 blast from the past!

 

[ThaiBliss]

Smoke Report

Smoke Report

I sampled the early cutting of Jamaican this evening. This has no cure at all to it. I just wanted to get a very preliminary idea of what this is about. It would be unfair to draw too many conclusions about it at this point.

It has a good positive vibe to it. At first I was a bit disappointed with the potency. I felt some of the strength right away, so I thought it might be "what you see is what you get". But the intensity slowly, surely climbed, and the clarity of the high improved for over an hour after the first hit, which is nice and a very good sign. This progression of the high is very similar to the SAGE cut I have that I like. It starts out a bit plain, but gets more clean and pure as it builds in intensity to a peak.

I was not having the greatest day, but partaking in the ganja was a pivot point for the better. I should have smoked it earlier. LOL! I wound up visiting with a friend to discuss some trouble in her life. We were able to have good humor about it all and actually had some good rip roaring belly laughs about life's predicaments. This smoke definitely has the right bent to it. Positive vibes, fun, and social after the peak.

It may need a bit more to ripen. If this was more potent, I'd really love it. Once again, unfortunately, I believe it has suffered due to circumstances and my growing skills. The plant is petering out due to being too close to the lights, not enough fertilizer, and being infected with spider mites. I'll be very interested to see what it is like as it gets a bit more ripe and if a cure helps it significantly.

ThaiBliss

 

[Dave Coulier]

How can you know the plants consumed everything in two days?

Siever

With regards to my previous post, I thought TB grew in soilless media. I only now know he grows in hydroton, and utilizes flood and drain.

With that said, I can tell you that after hundreds upon hundreds of soil solution samples(measuring EC & PPM), at various stages of flowering for Thai Stick Sativa, other long flowering sativas, mr Nice shit, etc in my own garden, they will shock you with how quickly they consume nutrients. Both long flowering and short flowering varieties.

Ive often taken twice daily measurements on plants, only to see reductions of 300-500 ppm in less than 24 hours. That seems to be the norm for a healthy and green flowering lady, ime.

Now throw in hydroton, and low/very low feed rates, you're looking at a severe N deficiency setting in even faster than would in my own soilless media garden. It wouldn't take very long for his plants to start translocating nutrients from old growth to new growth as the plant continues to ripen resulting in calyxes beginning to yellow/blanch if there are no fan leaves left to draw N from.

Thai Stick A @ Day 186 Flowering. Not a single fan leaf left on her at this point. You can see how the N deficiency has progressed to her calyxes after every other source of N has been consumed.

I would humbly suggest you invest 50 bucks in a hanna suction lysimeter, and begin experimenting for yourself, so you're not left wondering if Im fos or not. Every garden should have at least one, IMO.

@ Donald, love the PNG pic. Thanks for sharing her. Allow me to do the same.

 

[Siever]

If you grow in hydro , can you give organic tea?

 

[ThaiBliss]

If you grow in hydro , can you give organic tea?

I do. But I'm not strict about it. I have a 55 gallon plastic drum with a bubbler, just like my outdoor compost tea. I make use of bird guano, fish emulsion, kelp, organic soybean meal, humic acid, etc..

For the record, I consider hydroton soilless, since it is pumice with clay baked on the outside. I use dime size hydroton. There is lots of air space between the hydrotons. I top feed, not flood and drain, with fresh nutrient solution 12 times per day, that drains away. I never re-use the fertilizer solution on the flowering plants. I actually reuse the drain away for my veg watering. They are under compact florescent lights which require much less fertilizer. The veg plants remain green and healthy. It is only the long ripening flowering plants under much stronger light regiment that I'm seeing this with.

Dave - B.T.W., your Thai plant looks much, much, greener, but still has the fan leaves dropped, and dying calyxes along with fresh pistils.

T.B.

 

[Dave Coulier]

I do. But I'm not strict about it. I have a 55 gallon plastic drum with a bubbler, just like my outdoor compost tea. I make use of bird guano, fish emulsion, kelp, organic soybean meal, humic acid, etc..

For the record, I consider hydroton soilless, since it is pumice with clay baked on the outside. I use dime size hydroton. There is lots of air space between the hydrotons. I top feed, not flood and drain, with fresh nutrient solution 12 times per day, that drains away. I never re-use the fertilizer solution on the flowering plants. I actually reuse the drain away for my veg watering. They are under compact florescent lights which require much less fertilizer. The veg plants remain green and healthy. It is only the long ripening flowering plants under much stronger light regiment that I'm seeing this with.

Dave - B.T.W., your Thai plant looks much, much, greener, but still has the fan leaves dropped, and dying calyxes along with fresh pistils.

T.B.

I think Im making traction in the direction of fully golden buds, but progress is definitely slow. It seems every time an older calyx at the bottom of a foxtail turns yellow, a new green one spits out.

Have you experienced something similar before? Im getting real close to 200 days flowering, but she still is producing so many fresh pistils and new calyxes. Maybe I should push it past 210 days...

 

[yoss33]

Guys, are you sure all this yellow dying flesh is worth smoking? Doesn't it contain a large percentage of degraded cannabinoids?
2 years ago a friend of mine gave me a jar of a great Zamaldelica individual that had foxtailing buds and from the outside the buds looked green but all the inner half was overripe like this. The smoke from these buds was good, but it was way better (in terms of high and flavor) when I took the time to cut the buds into individual foxtails and remove the yellow bottom of each foxtail leaving only the green part. Only then it turned into pure fire.
I'm curious to see how you'll describle the effects of these buds, but I can recommend cleaning a bud from the yellow parts and comparing the effects.

 

[Hu73]

Hello Thai Bliss, Your introduction to this thread echoes that which motivated me to join icmag forums. I first smoked at the Newport ... Festival in 1963. I don't remember if it was the folk music or the jazz music festival. Never made it into where the music was happening, just enjoyed our "New York dime" bag. Anyway, I'm also searching for trip-weed. Best ever was had between '64 to '71, was called Purple, smelled of perfume and flowers and always put you into a Carlos Castaneda type headspace.How do I join this thread? Peace

 

[ThaiBliss]

Hello Thai Bliss, Your introduction to this thread echoes that which motivated me to join icmag forums. I first smoked at the Newport ... Festival in 1963. I don't remember if it was the folk music or the jazz music festival. Never made it into where the music was happening, just enjoyed our "New York dime" bag. Anyway, I'm also searching for trip-weed. Best ever was had between '64 to '71, was called Purple, smelled of perfume and flowers and always put you into a Carlos Castaneda type headspace.How do I join this thread? Peace

Welcome, and thanks for your trip weed story. I think you may have subscribed by just posting here. If not, look at the Thread Tools drop down while reading these posts.

ThaiBliss

 

[ThaiBliss]

I think Im making traction in the direction of fully golden buds, but progress is definitely slow. It seems every time an older calyx at the bottom of a foxtail turns yellow, a new green one spits out.

Have you experienced something similar before? Im getting real close to 200 days flowering, but she still is producing so many fresh pistils and new calyxes. Maybe I should push it past 210 days...

Dave - I'm at a loss to how these pure tropical sativas should be grown. The freaky Neville's Haze pheno I had, which was "lightning in a bottle", did not do this. Neither did any of the top 10 weed strains that I have grown successfully. I don't feel comfortable that the buds are dying, and still sprouting new pistils at the same time. When I build a new grow room, it will be much bigger and will allow me to have the plants much farther away from the lights.

On the Jamaican Lambsbread thread by JahGreenLabel, there are pictures of plants that have the feather duster buds. I'll have to try and study the pictures. I don't know if there are any close up pictures that show this dying of the older calyxes.

T.B.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Guys, are you sure all this yellow dying flesh is worth smoking? Doesn't it contain a large percentage of degraded cannabinoids?

It definitely looks like it is degraded. The resin progression on the strains that are behaving in this way is different than other strains I have grown. They don't seem to get cloudy then amber. They go from clear to a clear amber, then turn opaque amber and finally blackish. The calyxes looks dead by the time they turn clear amber.

2 years ago a friend of mine gave me a jar of a great Zamaldelica individual that had foxtailing buds and from the outside the buds looked green but all the inner half was overripe like this. The smoke from these buds was good, but it was way better (in terms of high and flavor) when I took the time to cut the buds into individual foxtails and remove the yellow bottom of each foxtail leaving only the green part. Only then it turned into pure fire.
I'm curious to see how you'll describle the effects of these buds, but I can recommend cleaning a bud from the yellow parts and comparing the effects.

Did your friend grow the Zamadelica that you are referring to indoors or did this also occur outdoors?

Thanks for your input.

The Jamaican is now more dead/dying calyxes than green. In fact, what is left of the green parts have gotten a very slightly purplish flush to it. I'm going to harvest at first opportunity. It looks done. There are still lots of fresh pistils though. LOL.

ThaiBliss

 

[Riddleme]

It definitely looks like it is degraded. The resin progression on the strains that are behaving in this way is different than other strains I have grown. They don't seem to get cloudy then amber. They go from clear to a clear amber, then turn opaque amber and finally blackish. The calyxes looks dead by the time they turn clear amber.
ThaiBliss

A very good thing

 

[Waldgeist]

just my two cents

the plants that show this lately discussed yellowing/dying of the older calyx while pushing never ending fresh growth, theres something wrong for sure.
at some point these should stack calyx upon calyx instead of growing more stalk and single ones attached to it.
i think its related to N : (P) K ratio in the media/solution, too much N will generate the fresh growth and inhibits forming of cluster type flowers.
i dont believe these type of plants should be fed 'even' throughout their cycle, broke my nose several times tryin it, they always closed down production and grow this strange type of stalky-calyx flowers.

i would aim to finish the plant by nute regiment(and light timing, no need for any lower than 11/13), before a single calyx dies.

anyways, big respect for 200+ days flowering!

 

[yoss33]

...
Did your friend grow the Zamadelica that you are referring to indoors or did this also occur outdoors?
...

Hi! My friend grew it on a balcony.
By the way, it is the only plant I have seen make foxtails outdoors. I thought that these are caused by low lighting, constantly-warm temperatures and/or something else in the indoor environment, but it seems it can happen outdoors too, though rarely. This Zamaldelica plant started semi-auto-flowering in the end of July, that's why the first flowers were long dead before it was harvested in the end of October.
I too think that a plant is not flowering correctly if it continues to push new pistils and grow indefinitely - there's some vegetative power involved, while the plant is supposed to sacrifice itself (i.e. give all it can) for the flowers, not continue to grow and only push new pistils occasionaly. Semi-flowering, semi-vegging.

 

[Donald Mallard]

That sounds right to me too Waldgeist and yoss ,
if we consider how those types would have been grown for many many generations,
with little ferts , i cant see the thais fertilizing cannabis much since there wasnt much need, and secondly ,
the end of the season there ,,
doubt they were watered the last weeks at all ,
when the monsoon stopped , i bet the plants received little to no water ..

days too long , too much nitrogen , takes the plants time to recover in order to flower properly if they even can recover ...

 

[idiit]

This Zamaldelica plant started semi-auto-flowering in the end of July, that's why the first flowers were long dead before it was harvested in the end of October.
I too think that a plant is not flowering correctly if it continues to push new pistils and grow indefinitely

^ that's a gerrit's cut zamal dom attribute.

ppl think gypsy nirvana mafate zamal is gone. it's been preserved. mustafunk has one set of mafate zamal and is working that line.

fritzman ( Brazilian seed co.) did an excellent repro of the mafate zamal as well.

mafate is a region in the interior of la reunion and Christophe (scrog) obtained a seeded branch from local creole native zustin. gypsy got the beans and passed them on to several breeders.

there are at least five phenos in zustin's mafate zamal; pepper, carrot, kinda fruity, auto flower, purple wire. gerrit's cut is the auto flower pheno. mustafunk has posted pics of purple wire.

edited to add:

iirc dubi posted that the initial run of gerrit's cut did not strongly auto flower. it is well noted that lots of ppl including me got a strong autoflowering pheno out of zamaldelica.

imo we are working with gene pools; even with gerrit's cut. you can take a selected pheno and do in line breeding to try and fix a particular set of genes that manifest as a stabilized phenotype.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Well... there are a wide variety of opinions, from the plants are being tortured with a lack of nutrients, to over fertilization, and the wrong ratio of fertilizer. Thanks for all the input. I'm going to stick with proximity to the light/heat of the lamps theory for now, since I have used much more fertilizer compared to the last grow, both with relatively heavier ratios of phosphorous and potassium compared to the vegetative growth doses of nitrogen. I'm still seeing the same type of buds.

Here is an early harvest branch of Punto Rojo. Punto Rojo is having this issue also. The lower branches and more shaded flowers do not have the dying calyxes issue as much as the buds closest to the light.

Here is an overexposed image just for fun:

I harvested the Jamaican, and this bud harvested is a relatively bigger one that is hanging very low. I wish the whole plant looked like this all at once. When all is said and done, it is the smoke (high) that matters. Maybe I'll be able to test this in a couple weeks. The final test will be about 6 months from now, since so many tell me that the cure can make a striking difference.

Thanks again for everyone's help. Please keep it coming. I have lots of new strains to try. I'd hate to someday learn what I've been doing wrong, then lament all these good strains that I'm letting slip through my fingers because I don't yet know enough about how to grow these.

ThaiBliss