The Roadkill Skunk Fan Club

[Elmer Bud]

Sort of, if its good for the Goose it is good for the Gander?
I would agree it does seem odd.
I looked through Classic seeds varieties, many were made with others work in them.
I am not really judging but it does seem real odd....
I also used others work but only with their permission.
Whatever it is much easier to see others transgressions then one selfs transgressions.
-SamS


G`day CS

I don`t understand your position ??

I agree with what your saying about being paid and acknowledged for your work . But ...

You have sold knock offs of other people work for years ?? How can you now take the stance of not selling or sharing till YOU have protection under the law ??

A little hard for me to understand your reasoning ??

It was OK for you to do ? But nobody should be able to do it to you ?

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

I would not care unless the hybrid were made from two of my lines, that does not seem right.
FYI any line that has already been released to the public has no protection, they can't be protected, only before release can protection be given. Then it is protected.
-SamS

Ok, a question for Sam and Classic seeds. If someone had one of your pure lines and decided to make hybrids of them to sell, what would you want from them to be ok with their selling such hybrids? Would you want them to list the parents from your stock? Would you want royalties?
This is hypothetical for me since I live in Kentucky and it will be a long while before legalization happens here. Or are you only concerned with someone selling your pure lines as their own?
I am by no means a breeder or even a pollen chucked as I never make hybrids of cannibis. I have crossed pollen of a couple kinds of vegetables but nothing I have ever sold. After crossing and back crossing veggies, I realize the work that was put into developing those pure lines of cannibis. With the laws the way they are here, developing a pure line here would be very dangerous with the numbers of plants needed. I would be very interested in crossing some pure cannibis lines then back crossing to make a plant that is just right for me. As far I know, I have never bought seeds from any pollen chuckers that steal others work. I grow a VERY old afganni, a cindy 99 from bro Grimm and sweet tooth from a friend that doesn't remember where he got it.
I'm very interested in making my own pure lines in the future for personal use but have no desire to sell them or step on anyone's toes. So is it just pure lines you don't want people reproducing or do you not want people using your pure lines to make hybrids to sell?

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

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yeah I guess I was not clear about the fems those are crosses also for the most part and people can get the crosses they just can not get the pure strains .pretty dumb with future legalization and genetic tests to prove something is yours and unique to give it away now before I can protect strains and get royaltys .your old pardner bob clark was in santa cruz yesterday meeting with a friend like me who is not giving anything away .

Are you so sure that your friend M.F. gave nothing??? Ask him again....
Any variety that has been in public domain can't be protected do you understand this? Any variety you have first sold or allowed out of your hands, it is to late to protect it. Protection must come before sales of the variety, or no protection is granted, when it is allowed in the USA, which is still not yet.
My friend and Colleague ROB Clarke has been having great luck getting people to donate to the DNA project, I mean all we need is a dead dry leaf, and that does not prevent future protection of the variety, commercial sales of any seeds or clones will for sure if sales were before protection of the variety. And a dead leaf can't be grown or stolen, it is dead. I suspect you are worried about the wrong issues, and have little understand of plant protection, I mean do you have varieties that have not been released you are trying to protect? Anything you have released it is to late.... That and no one knows when you can do this in the USA, maybe tomorrow maybe not in the next decade?
-SamS

I hope things work out great for him and the indian reservation doing growing but till its really legal and you have some protection under the law for original work any contract is meaningless .

some one asked if they would be at FS and they will as hybrids .same with seed boutique now that things seem to be back on course and running smoothly if you want the pure strains your just going to have to wait till it can not be stole and has protection under our laws . you start your own breeding program and make your own versions of these old classics me and my friends have bred and worked on since the early 70's .no body is stopping you from spending the next decade developing a strain that is stable and putting your name on it .everyone thinks breeders are stupid and should just keep bending over and making it easy for all the people who want something with out any effort on their part and to hell with the breeder and his family and future needs life is not free .aloha cls

 

[Chomba64]

Yup I hope Rob does well the the native american project. And by the way I shared a flower with Rob to experience. One on my projects with landrace..(unreleased)...

 

[MrBelvedere]

Since the dawn of agriculture, every single farmer or breeder has been using other people's "work". No one can ever dispute that, and that's the way it will always be.

 

[OneStonedPony]

Classic Seeds, I heard you traded seeds with TCVG and he gave you skunk hybrids. While he was in prison, you made more, and are now a self labeled skunk guru. TCVG claims his skunk genetics are Mendocino Joe's and he got from some guy named Titan. Any truth to that ? Sam the Skunkman says Mendocino Joe is a myth. Is Sam putting down Joe for a reason (or is Joe really a myth ?), and will you put down TCVG also. I think MrBelvedere has it right, everyone is using everyone elses work. Honestly, I don't really care where it came from or what it's called if it's good. I do think however, it's sad folks seem to do this often trying to make bank. I'm sure if Sam had been paid even a penny a seed for the offspring of his work, he'd be a super billionaire. Seems in this world what's right or fair, always gets overshadowed by what's profitable.

 

[OakyJoe]

Another Story that flows over the web:

Aka: 1978 Mendocino Joe Skunk
Aka: '78 Skunk

1978 Mendocino Joe Skunk that ohsogreen has preserved ever since he got them from Joe himself in a late night parking lot rendezvous in the Bay Area in 78. I'm reliably informed that it's the original Sacred Seeds Skunk (Mendo Joe being one of the small circle of guys who bred Skunk) the same one that Sam started working with and Sam selected for the sweet sativa side, hence the Skunk #1 came about. The 78 Skunk has been preserved outdoors in Cali through open pollination using decent numbers and ohso tells me it produces 50% indica phenos (that stink BAAAAAAD!), 25% Acapulco Gold phenos and 25% Colombian Gold phenos.

Yes, I've been growing Mendocino Joe's Skunk since 1978 (pre-Amsterdam), every year without fail. I generally do one large open pollenation, every 4 or 5 years, for beans using multiple moms and dads. Here are a couple pics of her, she has alot more Indy traits, than sweeter Skunks.
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Edited by Ohsogreen, 13 February 2011 - 04:41 AM.

 

[Namgorf]

'96 White Widow from GHS was extremely skunky !

 

[Twisted pleasur]

Allot of great information. Super crazy to hear all the history and so many peoples experiances. I had a guy back in early 2000 give me a plant and I went to run it and I couldn't believe how huge the fans got and the unbelievable skunk smell she put off. I got to run her two times While I loved her I had to throw out buds several times trying not to get busted with it in my pocket. I had no idea what I had at the time. And due to a air-conditioning failure I lost it. To this day I cant believe I had the grail in my hands. Good luck to anyone trying to get her. Ive tried and Ive all but given up at this point. I even tried driving around the old neighborhood and Facebook but the dude is long gone and so is she.

 

[Karmic Farmer]

Chimera just sent RKS x Chemdawg to the Bay. I guess it's one of the more limited Chemdawg and Blockhead crosses he sent in so there won't be many to go around. He didn't specify the Chem cut, I'm not sure if they are regs or Fems.

Peace,
KF

 

[brock1]

Another Story that flows over the web:

I was given a few seeds label says 78 skunk x Cali orange I wonders if this is the same old skunk.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Classic Seeds, I heard you traded seeds with TCVG and he gave you skunk hybrids. While he was in prison, you made more, and are now a self labeled skunk guru. TCVG claims his skunk genetics are Mendocino Joe's and he got from some guy named Titan. Any truth to that ? Sam the Skunkman says Mendocino Joe is a myth. Is Sam putting down Joe for a reason (or is Joe really a myth ?), and will you put down TCVG also. I think MrBelvedere has it right, everyone is using everyone elses work. Honestly, I don't really care where it came from or what it's called if it's good. I do think however, it's sad folks seem to do this often trying to make bank. I'm sure if Sam had been paid even a penny a seed for the offspring of his work, he'd be a super billionaire. Seems in this world what's right or fair, always gets overshadowed by what's profitable.

I do not know if Mendocino Joe was a grower, or Myth, or not, I never met him. I can tell you he had zero to do with Sacred Seeds or with Skunk #1.
There was one person behind Sacred Seeds, me. I had no partners, there was no collective, only me making all the seeds, every one. Sacred Seeds started in 1976, I have seen posts by others that say the "Sacred Seeds Collective", have been around from pre WWII, that is just wacko, I read this and can't believe that some people went to the trouble to make this all up, and then spread the made up rumors and lies as facts. Or that other people believe these made up stories. Some of the stories even I found a bit amusing, but they were not true at all. More it is sad that it shows how easy it is to use the internet to say almost anything, true or not, and get many to believe it.
I should of collected them all, every story was a bit different, some had small bits of truth mixed with the lies and made up "facts" it helped them sound more real, but they were not.
First I made Skunk #1 it was fairly RKS overall, then I started to make it sweeter. It was all by selection within the Skunk #1 population, no other Cannabis was used to make the sweeter Skunk #1, I just grew lots of plants and bred the sweeter ones I liked. Then later switched over to clones I selected as the sweetest and most potent with the best high, to make the Skunk #1 seeds, I field trialed all the clones progeny to find the best parental clones with the highest SCA, I still have those 25 years later.
-SamS

 

[OneStonedPony]

Sam Skunkman, Thanks for all the hard work you put into Skunk # 1. I once heard it said all stories are true. I guess they are. Maybe some of these internet stories are 99 % BS with 1 % fact and others are the opposite, or varying degrees of each. It's really hard to sort out all the BS. But I also believe the simplest answer is usually the right one. I think after you made Skunk # 1 others simply copied your work, crossed it with other plants, and claimed they were the breeder. Some folks might think otherwise and I don't really care. I've run your Skunk # 1 and love it. I've run Cantaloupe Skunk (supposed to be bred by Mendocino Joe) and love it to. A good plant is a good plant and I'm beginning to think history is less important than that. Seems a lot of fighting takes place over OG's and Chem's to. Again thanks for making Skunk # 1, no matter what stories are told you changed the world of cannabis for the better. If folks don't see that, they're blind and stupid.

 

[HidingInTheHaze]

Has any body tried La Plata labs roadkill skunk strain?

 

[Tombamot]

Next we will hear maple leaf Wilson was a myth and never had a hand in the one man show lol crazy

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

I have heard of maple leaf Wilson, never met him or used his genetics.
-SamS

 

[OakyJoe]

The famed Maple Leaf Indica offered by Sensi Seeds is said to have originated from a man known as Maple Leaf Wilson, who is also speculated to have been a member of the Sacred Seeds “collective."

So we gonna play Mythbuster?

BUSTED!

 

[bigherb]

Things are much more simple than they seem

There is no myth to bust

Alot of things are said that are not true to boost sales or egos


1luvbigherb

 

[Tombamot]

Never met Joe, never met Maple, never met Sandy, never met Mark.
Made selections from 20,000 plants single handedly in the course of only a few years. Made every seed himself. One man show. Still has RKS beans, won't share even though he could care less for it himself while throngs of peeps would give a nut to resurrect it. Can't patent it now anyways right? This is the roadkill skunk fan club thread is it not?
I could speculate a bit. Perhaps protecting part of the sativex formula is involved?
Sometimes it's not what is said but what isn't said that deserves attention, feel me people?

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

I also never met Tombamot,
You or even I could speculate, but speculation is not anything real, it is just speculation.
Like protecting Sativex or part of the formula????? Not even close.
As for what is not said deserving attention, that covers an awful lot.
You were not there, enough said.
-SamS