The Original O'l Farts Club.

[HempKat]

My MIL lost her husband about 10 years ago. She is also 94 years old and is showing signs of depression which I think is normal as we get old especially if we don’t have a lot of friends and family. My momma was also a cancer victim and gave up any more treatments at the end as it was too hard on her body.
‘depression has a lot to do with it. Even tho my MIL has a huge family with tons of grandkids, she complains that nobody comes to visit. We do visit and I guess the grandkids don’t as much unless there is a big family gathering but we call and check on her most everyday. She has lashed out on both daughters and my husband Mr sub at times for no reason when they are just looking out for her. She complains a LOT is the reason nobody wants to go there but we still do even tho it’s a pretty hard visit. There is always crying she calls it happy tears but it’s over the top for some of the younger ones to be around.
‘being happy in life is one’s own choice and sometimes it’s harder to manage being alone. I don’t have the answers but think that attacking the depression problem and trying to get out of that rut is a big thing

You could be right although I would say that my Mother didn't show any of the classic signs of deppresion. I mean she would be sad as is normal when her siblings died or when long time friends died but that's just normal and she always seem to get past that. For the most part though she always seemed upbeat and optimistic. She did live alone though and not having ever driven she didn't really have a way to get around other then public transit which isn't always so great for the elderly. Thanks for your input.

 

[bigsur51]

Out the door…..BB later. Please everybody get along.

 

[Unca Walt]

At the risk of touching on a sensitive subject I would like to ask you a queston. If you don't wish to answer that's fine but there is no hidden objective to this question other then gathering inforation to apply towards my own thoughts on the human experience. I've noticed in the past few months that I've been active in this thread, that you tend to be a person who acts aggressively to maintain your health. One exasmple of that being the small growth on your nose. Many would just dismiss it, at least for now as the sort of changes that come to a person as they age that don't necessarily mean anything, such as wrinkles, sskin tags, etc. Yet upon noticing it you've started taking steps to have it removed on the chance it could be an early sign of skin cancer. I've also noticed from the stories you've told of your youth that you've led a fairly full life, have traveled, accomplished a number of things career wise and you keep pretty active in your retirement which probably goes back to aggressively maintaining your health. So my question is this, if your wife (heaven forbid) was no longer in the picture, do you think you would still be trying to extend your life as much as possible? I'm asking this based on what my Mother went thru and that you share in common something that was true for her when she stopped trying to extend her life. That thing being that she was the last of her immediate family as you have now shared is the same for you (not counting children). Things changed for my mother when she was the last of her family. She still had her three sons and the grandchildren that came from two of them and she loved all of us but when her final sibling passed (an older sister) she kind of gave up the desire to live past her age of 93. Now it probably helped her to reach that point, that she didn't have a living spouse which is something that is not true for you. That's why I'm curious if the fact that you still have your spouse keeps you holding on or still Trucking as you put it. I'm also comparing this to my own situation. I still have my brothers so that's not part of the equation for me although we aren't exactly close. I have lost my wife and since that happened I feel like something has changed in me. I have no desire to find a new partner and go thru all that a couple goes thru to learn how to love each other. I still do things to try to maintain my health as best as possible, like the heart procedure I had recently but I also feel like there is not much to hold on for and feel kind of indifferent to the idea of living longer (even though I'm only 64). I haven't done all that I would like but I've still done and seen a lot, traveled a far amount and had more experiences then many others have before they die. So I'm just curious what your thoughts are on life and death?

Now while I'm asking this specifically of Pute, because his situation is close to my what my Mother's was, this question is really open to anyone else who wants to chime in. I'm basically inquiring as to what makes people want to hold on and fight for life as they get closer to the typical end of life expectancy and I'm also interested in what it might take for those still trying to live longer to suddenly change their mind and stop trying to live longer. Also to be clear, by stop trying to live longer I'm not talking about suicide or thoughts of suicide. I'm talking about like what happened with my mother that when diagnosed with cancer, she decided to not try to fight it to postpone death or prolong life.

That is interesting, but I gotta correct a hidden premise:

You have assumed something that is not the way it is; at least for me and my Red Witch: People do not "want to hold on and fight for life" as the years go by.

What happens is that you wake up inna mornin', and figure out what you are gonna be doing today (as in using my electric gas pump to fill my car back up with my stored gas from the shed). The difference is something that occurs around noon to 1 pm: You run out of gas yerself. Gotta go take a nap.

Oddly, the idea of taking a nap is looked upon with approval. No holding and fighting time. Just ice cream at night whenever we want it.

A different perspective (eg: looking back instead of ahead) is a fun thing to do, and can only be done by us old farts that are just to lazy to die.

PROVING THE ABOVE PARAGRAPH:

While looking for the pic of my goose gun, I found a huge file of "lost" memories. The only way to have huge files of lost memories is to live a shitload of time and have fun.

Bond, James Bond... is inna back seat. But ain't that the gorgeous-ist plane you ever saw? Piper Warrior.

Jamaica:

The Beautiful Witch saw this, and the old file of pictures, and said I should post this one from when Puck and I went to the Tortugas and kicked ass -- ONE day's hunt:

And I got shit planned.

 

[Boo]

No snacks were had last night, good somewhat lucid observation. I was so fatigued. I slept almost a whole day and then at night time I don’t even remember smoking a joint. I’m getting ready to hit the gym and I don’t know that I’m gonna be able to do much, but If Istop trying. I start dying… I noticed this morning a couple of the members have begun writing novel for the old farts thread While it’s very informative, I have a hard time reading that many word this early in the morning… it takes me at least an hour just to become somewhat no coherent

 

[D. B. Doober]

on my morning 3 Mile Walk. Woke up at 8:30.

 

[Unca Walt]

G'mornin', Brotha Boo.

 

[HempKat]

That is interesting, but I gotta correct a hidden premise:

You have assumed something that is not the way it is; at least for me and my Red Witch: People do not "want to hold on and fight for life" as the years go by.

What happens is that you wake up inna mornin', and figure out what you are gonna be doing today (as in using my electric gas pump to fill my car back up with my stored gas from the shed). The difference is something that occurs around noon to 1 pm: You run out of gas yerself. Gotta go take a nap.

Oddly, the idea of taking a nap is looked upon with approval. No hold and fighting. Just ice cream at night whenever we want it.

A different perspective (eg: looking back instead of ahead) is a fun thing to do, and can only be done by us old farts that are just to lazy to die.

PROVING THE ABOPVE PARAGRAPH:

While looking for the pic of my goose gun, I found a huge file of "lost" memories. The only way to have huge files of lost memories is to live a shitload of time and have fun.

Bond, James Bond... is inna back seat.
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Jamaica:
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The Beautiful Witch saw this, and the old file of pictures, and said I should post this one from when Puck and I went to the Tortugas and kicked ass -- ONE day's hunt:
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Yeah I know you're right that not all people look at aging that way. I mainly said that because that's how my Mother framed it the day she informed her sons of her decision to not fight the cancer that finally took her. This may not be verbatim but what she said was something to the effect of, "I see no sense in going thru all the hell of chemo therapy just to live a few more years". Yet just a few years before that she did see then sense in going thru the hell of open heart surgery (like what Gypsy had) to have her aortic valve replaced. That was really rough on her though and it took her the better part of a year to fully recover and so it probably was a big factor in her decision to not fight the cancer. Thanks for your input and that's a nice haul of lobsters or are those langostinos?

 

[bigsur51]

That is interesting, but I gotta correct a hidden premise:

You have assumed something that is not the way it is; at least for me and my Red Witch: People do not "want to hold on and fight for life" as the years go by.

What happens is that you wake up inna mornin', and figure out what you are gonna be doing today (as in using my electric gas pump to fill my car back up with my stored gas from the shed). The difference is something that occurs around noon to 1 pm: You run out of gas yerself. Gotta go take a nap.

Oddly, the idea of taking a nap is looked upon with approval. No hold and fighting. Just ice cream at night whenever we want it.

A different perspective (eg: looking back instead of ahead) is a fun thing to do, and can only be done by us old farts that are just to lazy to die.

PROVING THE ABOPVE PARAGRAPH:

While looking for the pic of my goose gun, I found a huge file of "lost" memories. The only way to have huge files of lost memories is to live a shitload of time and have fun.

Bond, James Bond... is inna back seat.
View attachment 19047079


Jamaica:
View attachment 19047080

The Beautiful Witch saw this, and the old file of pictures, and said I should post this one from when Puck and I went to the Tortugas and kicked ass -- ONE day's hunt:
View attachment 19047085

great photos Unca

thanks for sharing



an old photo of my dad stopped by the road to get some lunch

3 of my great grandpas are in this photo
the man standing is my great grampa Colonel Chester Loveland mayor and one of the founders of Brigham City and this is the High Council in session

my grampa and couple great uncles having lunch by the side of the road

 

[HempKat]

No snacks were had last night, good somewhat lucid observation. I was so fatigued. I slept almost a whole day and then at night time I don’t even remember smoking a joint. I’m getting ready to hit the gym and I don’t know that I’m gonna be able to do much, but If Istop trying. I start dying… I noticed this morning a couple of the members have begun writing novel for the old farts thread While it’s very informative, I have a hard time reading that many word this early in the morning… it takes me at least an hour just to become somewhat no coherent

As one of those novel writers let me just say no problem if you want to save them for later or just skip them altogether. There are two that I've written one is just kind of an open iquiry directed to Pute but reallly open to any who care to respond. The other was mainly meant for cola but I think it contains useful info to all but I'll not be offended if some choose to skip over it.

 

[D. B. Doober]

The sun is really beating down I'm sweating

 

[Unca Walt]

Yeah I know you're right that not all people look at aging that way. I mainly said that because that's how my Mother framed it the day she informed her sons of her decision to not fight the cancer that finally took her. This may not be verbatim but what she said was something to the effect of, "I see no sense in going thru all the hell of chemo therapy just to live a few more years". Yet just a few years before that she did see then sense in going thru the hell of open heart surgery (like what Gypsy had) to have her aortic valve replaced. That was really rough on her though and it took her the better part of a year to fully recover and so it probably was a big factor in her decision to not fight the cancer. Thanks for your input and that's a nice haul of lobsters or are those langostinos?

Lobsters. What's more, they are BIG lobsters. Never had to even think of measuring them to see if they were legal size: They were all about twice the size of minimum legal.

I had the biggest one of the mounted on a three-foot frame, and his feelers overhang it. It is in the kitchen to this day.

The fish are all the only two species we hunt: Hogs and Grouper.

 

[bigsur51]

The sun is really beating down I'm sweating

don’t let that sweat get down in your crotch or ass crack cause then you are gonna need some Desinex or baby powder

 

[flower~power]

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I had a dream last night about coffee. You will probably consider it a nightmare. I was in front of a coffee machine. Somewhere unidentifiable,.. …the coffee was old and I couldn’t make a fresh pot … the machine wouldn’t work …a weird dream.!

 

[bigsur51]

I had a dream last night about coffee. You will probably consider it a nightmare. I was in front of a coffee machine. Somewhere unidentifiable,.. …the coffee was old and I couldn’t make a fresh pot … the machine wouldn’t work …a weird dream.!

a nightmare indeed

 

[dogzter]

I just saw this, and wanted to comment, given the turmoil this has caused you. And wanted to let you know you are not alone in being attacked by this person. In my case, for no valid reason whatsoever, other than unprovoked angst, and anger. I had never commentated, or posted a reply to this person, ever once, He, She, IT. On the internet and social media you can become whatever you want. I don't care, I call them all a person. That's it. Below is the rude and unkind response I received, which I surmise, they "got away with". Someone posted earlier that what's good for the goose, is good for the gander. This IT obviously lives by a double standard. Guess we all should be duly alert to it.




This was the next maligned unprovoked post directed at me, with a "fake" disclaimer at the beginning, that this was not really intended to intentionally discredit, or lessen me, in anyone else's eyes, lmfao. So friggin obvious. And, very easy to see the opposite. Thereafter, they proceeded to call "BS" on everything I posted, and that the article stated and represented, and how they needed to police and school me for posting such. This IT person posted this about this heart friendly diet, which the "despicable and deplorable" Mayo Clinic had advocated. Mayo wasn't making any money on this diet. Everything is found at the grocery store. Frankly, the context & manner of posting is just absurd.

Since this IT person, had "supposedly" followed this diet, and gained 7 sizes (in British stones, about 100 pounds), it was the diet's fault! Oh really? Again, just absurd. You gain weight by shoveling excess food into your face. Nothing more. Nothing less. It comes down to physics. If one chooses to push food into their face like a horse, a cow, or a pig, you should expect the end results. You'll look like a fat pig. You use a forklift to shovel food into your mouth, and you blame it on diet and correspondingly, the person posting said diet, rather than looking in mirror, and seeing that you were the problem all along. Nothing diet related here. At all. It is the amount of food calories that you consume.

I will post this very lean and mainly sugar free diet the article showed below - NOTE the first (#1) recommendation! :

8 steps to a heart-healthy diet

Certain foods can raise your risk of heart conditions. Learn eight ways to get started on a diet that's good for your heart.

www.mayoclinic.org

Heart-healthy diet: 8 steps to prevent heart disease​

Ready to start your heart-healthy diet? Here are eight tips to get you started.
By Mayo Clinic Staff

You might know that eating certain foods can raise your heart disease risk. Even though changing your eating habits can be tough, you can take simple steps to get started today. Whether you've been eating unhealthy for years or you simply want to fine-tune your diet, here are eight heart-healthy diet tips. Find out which foods to eat more of and which foods to limit. You'll soon be on your way toward a healthier diet for your heart.

1. Control portion sizes​

How much you eat is just as important as what you eat. Overloading your plate, taking seconds and eating until you feel stuffed can lead to eating more calories than you should. Portions served in restaurants often are larger than anyone needs.

Follow a few simple tips to control food portion size. These tips can help you shape up your diet as well as your heart and waistline:

• Use a small plate or bowl to help control your portions.
• Eat more low-calorie, nutrient-rich foods such as fruits and vegetables.
• Eat smaller amounts of high-calorie, high-sodium foods. These include refined, processed and fast foods.

It's also important to keep track of the number of servings you eat. Keep these points in mind:

• A serving size is a specific amount of food. It's defined by common measurements such as cups, ounces or pieces. For example, one serving of pasta is about 1/3 to 1/2 cup, or about the size of a fist. A serving of meat, fish or chicken is about 2 to 3 ounces. That's about the size and thickness of a deck of cards.
• The recommended number of servings in a food group may vary. It depends on the specific diet or guidelines you're following.
• Judging serving size is a learned skill. You may need to use measuring cups and spoons or a scale until you're comfortable with your judgment.

2. Eat more vegetables and fruits​

Vegetables and fruits are good sources of vitamins and minerals. They're also low in calories and rich in fiber. Vegetables and fruits, like other plants or plant-based foods, contain substances that may help prevent heart disease. Eating more fruits and vegetables also may help you eat less higher calorie food. Some examples of high-calorie foods are meat, cheese and snack foods.

Getting more vegetables and fruits in your diet can be easy. Keep vegetables washed and cut in your refrigerator for quick snacks. Keep fruit in a bowl in your kitchen so that you'll remember to eat it. Choose recipes that have vegetables or fruits as the main ingredients. These include vegetable stir-fry dishes or fresh fruit mixed into salads.

Fruits and vegetables to choose	Fruits and vegetables to limit
Fresh or frozen vegetables and fruits. Low-sodium canned vegetables. Canned fruit packed in 100% juice or water.	Coconut. Vegetables with creamy sauces. Fried or breaded vegetables. Canned fruit packed in heavy syrup. Frozen fruit with sugar added.

3. Choose whole grains​

Whole grains are good sources of fiber and other nutrients that play roles in heart health and controlling blood pressure. You can get more whole grains by making simple swaps with refined grain products. Or try a whole grain you haven't had before. Healthy choices include whole-grain farro, quinoa and barley. At least half of the grains you eat should be whole grains.

Grain products to choose	Grain products to limit or avoid
Whole-wheat flour. Whole-grain bread, preferably 100% whole-wheat bread or 100% whole-grain bread. High-fiber cereal with 5 g or more fiber in a serving. Whole grains such as brown rice, barley and buckwheat (kasha). Whole-grain pasta. Oatmeal (steel-cut or regular).	White, refined flour. White bread. Muffins. Frozen waffles. Cornbread. Doughnuts. Biscuits. Quick breads. Cakes. Pies. Egg noodles. Buttered popcorn. High-fat snack crackers.

4. Limit unhealthy fats​

Limit the amount of saturated and trans fats you eat. This helps lower your blood cholesterol and lower your risk of a common heart condition called coronary artery disease. A high blood cholesterol level can lead to a buildup of plaques in the arteries, called atherosclerosis. And that can raise the risk of heart attack and stroke.

The American Heart Association offers these guidelines for how much fat to include in a heart-healthy diet:

Type of fat	Recommendation
Saturated fat	Less than 6% of total daily calories. If you're eating 2,000 calories a day, that's about 11 to 13 grams.
Trans fat	Stay away from them.

Note: The 2020-2025 Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommend limiting saturated fat to less than 10% of total daily calories.

There are simple ways to cut back on saturated and trans fats for a heart-healthy diet:

• Trim fat from meat or choose lean meats with less than 10% fat.
• Use less butter, margarine and shortening when cooking and serving.
• Use low-fat substitutions when you can. For example, top a baked potato with low-sodium salsa or low-fat yogurt rather than butter. Or use sliced whole fruit or low-sugar fruit spread on toast instead of margarine.

Check the food labels of cookies, cakes, frostings, crackers and chips. These foods are low on nutrition. And some of them — even those labeled reduced fat — may contain trans fats. Trans fats can no longer be added to foods in the United States. But they could be in products made in other countries. Trans fats may be listed as partially hydrogenated oil on the ingredient label. Also, many of the partially hydrogenated fats or trans fats typically contained in desserts and snack foods have been replaced with saturated fats. So it's still a good idea to limit those foods.

Fats to choose	Fats to limit
Olive oil. Canola oil. Vegetable and nut oils. Margarine, trans fat free. Cholesterol-lowering margarine, such as Benecol, Promise Activ or Smart Balance. Nuts and seeds. Avocados.	Butter. Lard. Bacon fat. Gravy. Cream sauce. Nondairy creamers. Hydrogenated margarine and shortening. Cocoa butter, found in chocolate. Coconut, palm, cottonseed and palm kernel oils.

When you use fats, choose unsaturated ones. There are two main types. Monounsaturated fats are found in products such as olive oil or canola oil. Polyunsaturated fats are found in certain fish and in avocados, nuts and seeds. When used in place of saturated fats, unsaturated fats may help lower your total blood cholesterol. But it's still important to limit how much of these fats you eat. All types of fats are high in calories.

An easy way to add healthy fat — and fiber — to your diet is to use ground flaxseed. Flaxseeds are small brown seeds that are high in fiber and healthy fats called omega-3 fatty acids. Studies have shown that flaxseed lowers unhealthy cholesterol levels in some people. You can grind flaxseeds in a coffee grinder or food processor. Then stir a teaspoon of the ground flaxseed into yogurt, applesauce or hot cereal.

5. Choose low-fat protein sources​

Lean meat, poultry and fish; low-fat or fat-free dairy products; and eggs are some of the best sources of protein. Choose lower fat options, such as skinless chicken breasts rather than fried chicken patties. And choose skim milk rather than whole milk.

Fish is healthier than high-fat meats. Certain types of fish are rich in omega-3 fatty acids, which can lower blood fats called triglycerides. You'll find the highest amounts of omega-3 fatty acids in cold-water fish, such as salmon, mackerel and herring. Other sources are flaxseed, walnuts, soybeans and canola oil.

Legumes — beans, peas and lentils — also are good low-fat sources of protein. They contain no cholesterol, making them good substitutes for meat. Eating plant protein instead of animal protein lowers the amounts of fat and cholesterol you take in. It also boosts how much fiber you get.

Proteins to choose	Proteins to limit or avoid
Low-fat or fat-free dairy products, such as skim or low-fat (1%) milk, yogurt and cheese. Eggs. Fish, especially fatty, cold-water fish, such as salmon. Skinless poultry. Legumes. Soybeans and soy products, such as soy burgers and tofu. Lean ground meats.	Full-fat milk and other dairy products. Organ meats, such as liver. Fatty and marbled meats. Spareribs. Hot dogs and sausages. Bacon. Fried or breaded meats.

6. Limit and reduce sodium and salt​

Sodium is a mineral. It’s found naturally in some foods, such as celery or milk. Food makers also may add sodium to processed foods, such as bread and soup. Eating foods with lots of added sodium can lead to high blood pressure. So can using table salt, which contains sodium.

High blood pressure is a risk factor for heart disease. Limiting salt and sodium is a key part of a heart-healthy diet. The American Heart Association recommends that adults:

• Have no more than 2,300 milligrams (mg) of sodium a day. That's about a teaspoon of salt.
• Ideally have no more than 1,500 mg of sodium a day

Limiting the amount of salt you add to food at the table or while cooking is a good first step. But much of the sodium you eat comes from canned or processed foods. These include soups, baked goods and frozen dinners. Eat fresh foods and make your own soups and stews to lower the amount of sodium you eat.

If you like the convenience of canned soups and prepared meals, buy products with reduced sodium or no added salt. Be wary of foods that claim to be lower in sodium. They may have less sodium than the original recipe but still be high in sodium. You may wonder if sea salt is a better option than regular table salt. Sea salt has the same nutrition as regular salt.

Another way to eat less sodium is to choose your condiments carefully. Many condiments are available in reduced-sodium versions. Salt substitutes can add flavor to your food with less sodium.

Low-sodium items to choose	High-sodium items to limit or avoid
Herbs and spices. Salt-free seasoning blends. Canned soups or prepared meals with reduced sodium or no added salt. Reduced-sodium versions of condiments, such as reduced-sodium soy sauce and reduced-sodium ketchup.	Table salt. Canned soups and prepared foods, such as frozen dinners. Tomato juice. Condiments such as ketchup, mayonnaise and soy sauce. Restaurant meals.

7. Plan ahead: Create daily menus​

Create daily menus using the six tips listed above. When you choose foods for each meal and snack, focus on vegetables, fruits and whole grains. Choose lean proteins and healthy fats, and limit salty foods. Watch your portion sizes and add variety to your menu choices.

For example, if you have grilled salmon one evening, try a black bean burger the next night. This helps ensure that you'll get all of the nutrients the body needs. Variety also makes meals and snacks more interesting.

8. Have a treat once in a while​

It's OK to treat yourself every now and then. A candy bar or handful of potato chips won't derail your heart-healthy diet. But don't let treats turn into an excuse for giving up on your healthy-eating plan. If you overeat treats once in a while rather than often, you'll balance things out over the long term. What's important is that you eat healthy foods most of the time.

In general, limit added sugar to less than 10% of your daily calories. For example, if you take in about 2,000 calories a day, 10% of that amount is 200 calories. And 200 calories of added sugar equals 50 grams of the sugar added to the foods you eat Do not give food and drinks with added sugar to children younger than 2 years old.

If you follow these eight tips, you'll likely find that heart-healthy eating is something you can do and enjoy. With planning and a few simple food swaps, you can eat with your heart in mind.

As I recall this incident it was you being a complete douchebag towards those you consider politically different than yourself.
Something you have continued to do while being a condescending cunt about most other things..........my only regret is it wasn't you who fucked off.
Here you are still whining like a sissy girl and writing a novella.

 

[D. B. Doober]

My healthy young legs just carried me 3 miles time to get high

 

[SubGirl]

Other problem is that I’m an extremely rural area. It’s at least 30 minutes to get to the shopping or any kind of food everything has to be bought and then prepared and then cleaned up but I do eat ice cream or try every night.

You got a blender. a nice milkshake during the day would be good to add a few more calories. Buy your icecream in bigger containers and don’t get the fat free stuff. Get the one with all the sugars and calories. Good luck to you…

 

[bigsur51]

I just saw this, and wanted to comment, given the turmoil this has caused you. And wanted to let you know you are not alone in being attacked by this person. In my case, for no valid reason whatsoever, other than unprovoked angst, and anger. I had never commentated, or posted a reply to this person, ever once, He, She, IT. On the internet & social media you can become whatever you want. I don't care, I call them all a person. That's it. Below is the rude and unkind response I received, which I surmise, they: "got away with". Someone posted earlier that what is good for the goose, is good for the gander. This IT obviously lives by a double standard. Guess we all should be duly aware of it!




This was the next maligned unprovoked post directed at me, with a "fake" disclaimer at the beginning, that this was not really intended to intentionally discredit, or lessen me, in anyone else's eyes, lmfao. So friggin obvious. And, very easy to see the opposite. Thereafter, they proceeded to call "BS" on everything I posted, and that the article stated and represented, and how they needed to police and school me for posting such. This IT person posted this about this heart friendly diet, which the "despicable and deplorable" Mayo Clinic had advocated. Mayo wasn't making any money on this diet. Everything is found at the grocery store. Frankly, the context & manner of posting is just absurd.

Since this IT person, had "supposedly" followed this diet, and gained 7 sizes (in British stones, about 100 pounds), it was the diet's fault! Oh really? Again, just absurd. You gain weight by shoveling excess food into your face. Nothing more. Nothing less. It comes down to physics. If one chooses to push food into their face like a horse, a cow, or a pig, you should expect the end results. You'll look like a fat pig. You use a forklift to shovel food into your mouth, and you blame it on diet and correspondingly, the person posting said diet, rather than looking in mirror, and seeing that you were the problem all along. Nothing diet related here. At all. It is the amount of food calories that you consume.

I will post this very lean and mainly sugar free diet the article showed below - NOTE the first (#1) recommendation! :

8 steps to a heart-healthy diet

Certain foods can raise your risk of heart conditions. Learn eight ways to get started on a diet that's good for your heart.

www.mayoclinic.org

Heart-healthy diet: 8 steps to prevent heart disease​

Ready to start your heart-healthy diet? Here are eight tips to get you started.
By Mayo Clinic Staff

You might know that eating certain foods can raise your heart disease risk. Even though changing your eating habits can be tough, you can take simple steps to get started today. Whether you've been eating unhealthy for years or you simply want to fine-tune your diet, here are eight heart-healthy diet tips. Find out which foods to eat more of and which foods to limit. You'll soon be on your way toward a healthier diet for your heart.

1. Control portion sizes​

How much you eat is just as important as what you eat. Overloading your plate, taking seconds and eating until you feel stuffed can lead to eating more calories than you should. Portions served in restaurants often are larger than anyone needs.

Follow a few simple tips to control food portion size. These tips can help you shape up your diet as well as your heart and waistline:

• Use a small plate or bowl to help control your portions.
• Eat more low-calorie, nutrient-rich foods such as fruits and vegetables.
• Eat smaller amounts of high-calorie, high-sodium foods. These include refined, processed and fast foods.

It's also important to keep track of the number of servings you eat. Keep these points in mind:

• A serving size is a specific amount of food. It's defined by common measurements such as cups, ounces or pieces. For example, one serving of pasta is about 1/3 to 1/2 cup, or about the size of a fist. A serving of meat, fish or chicken is about 2 to 3 ounces. That's about the size and thickness of a deck of cards.
• The recommended number of servings in a food group may vary. It depends on the specific diet or guidelines you're following.
• Judging serving size is a learned skill. You may need to use measuring cups and spoons or a scale until you're comfortable with your judgment.

2. Eat more vegetables and fruits​

Vegetables and fruits are good sources of vitamins and minerals. They're also low in calories and rich in fiber. Vegetables and fruits, like other plants or plant-based foods, contain substances that may help prevent heart disease. Eating more fruits and vegetables also may help you eat less higher calorie food. Some examples of high-calorie foods are meat, cheese and snack foods.

Getting more vegetables and fruits in your diet can be easy. Keep vegetables washed and cut in your refrigerator for quick snacks. Keep fruit in a bowl in your kitchen so that you'll remember to eat it. Choose recipes that have vegetables or fruits as the main ingredients. These include vegetable stir-fry dishes or fresh fruit mixed into salads.

Fruits and vegetables to choose	Fruits and vegetables to limit
Fresh or frozen vegetables and fruits. Low-sodium canned vegetables. Canned fruit packed in 100% juice or water.	Coconut. Vegetables with creamy sauces. Fried or breaded vegetables. Canned fruit packed in heavy syrup. Frozen fruit with sugar added.

3. Choose whole grains​

Whole grains are good sources of fiber and other nutrients that play roles in heart health and controlling blood pressure. You can get more whole grains by making simple swaps with refined grain products. Or try a whole grain you haven't had before. Healthy choices include whole-grain farro, quinoa and barley. At least half of the grains you eat should be whole grains.

Grain products to choose	Grain products to limit or avoid
Whole-wheat flour. Whole-grain bread, preferably 100% whole-wheat bread or 100% whole-grain bread. High-fiber cereal with 5 g or more fiber in a serving. Whole grains such as brown rice, barley and buckwheat (kasha). Whole-grain pasta. Oatmeal (steel-cut or regular).	White, refined flour. White bread. Muffins. Frozen waffles. Cornbread. Doughnuts. Biscuits. Quick breads. Cakes. Pies. Egg noodles. Buttered popcorn. High-fat snack crackers.

4. Limit unhealthy fats​

Limit the amount of saturated and trans fats you eat. This helps lower your blood cholesterol and lower your risk of a common heart condition called coronary artery disease. A high blood cholesterol level can lead to a buildup of plaques in the arteries, called atherosclerosis. And that can raise the risk of heart attack and stroke.

The American Heart Association offers these guidelines for how much fat to include in a heart-healthy diet:

Type of fat	Recommendation
Saturated fat	Less than 6% of total daily calories. If you're eating 2,000 calories a day, that's about 11 to 13 grams.
Trans fat	Stay away from them.

Note: The 2020-2025 Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommend limiting saturated fat to less than 10% of total daily calories.

There are simple ways to cut back on saturated and trans fats for a heart-healthy diet:

• Trim fat from meat or choose lean meats with less than 10% fat.
• Use less butter, margarine and shortening when cooking and serving.
• Use low-fat substitutions when you can. For example, top a baked potato with low-sodium salsa or low-fat yogurt rather than butter. Or use sliced whole fruit or low-sugar fruit spread on toast instead of margarine.

Check the food labels of cookies, cakes, frostings, crackers and chips. These foods are low on nutrition. And some of them — even those labeled reduced fat — may contain trans fats. Trans fats can no longer be added to foods in the United States. But they could be in products made in other countries. Trans fats may be listed as partially hydrogenated oil on the ingredient label. Also, many of the partially hydrogenated fats or trans fats typically contained in desserts and snack foods have been replaced with saturated fats. So it's still a good idea to limit those foods.

Fats to choose	Fats to limit
Olive oil. Canola oil. Vegetable and nut oils. Margarine, trans fat free. Cholesterol-lowering margarine, such as Benecol, Promise Activ or Smart Balance. Nuts and seeds. Avocados.	Butter. Lard. Bacon fat. Gravy. Cream sauce. Nondairy creamers. Hydrogenated margarine and shortening. Cocoa butter, found in chocolate. Coconut, palm, cottonseed and palm kernel oils.

When you use fats, choose unsaturated ones. There are two main types. Monounsaturated fats are found in products such as olive oil or canola oil. Polyunsaturated fats are found in certain fish and in avocados, nuts and seeds. When used in place of saturated fats, unsaturated fats may help lower your total blood cholesterol. But it's still important to limit how much of these fats you eat. All types of fats are high in calories.

An easy way to add healthy fat — and fiber — to your diet is to use ground flaxseed. Flaxseeds are small brown seeds that are high in fiber and healthy fats called omega-3 fatty acids. Studies have shown that flaxseed lowers unhealthy cholesterol levels in some people. You can grind flaxseeds in a coffee grinder or food processor. Then stir a teaspoon of the ground flaxseed into yogurt, applesauce or hot cereal.

5. Choose low-fat protein sources​

Lean meat, poultry and fish; low-fat or fat-free dairy products; and eggs are some of the best sources of protein. Choose lower fat options, such as skinless chicken breasts rather than fried chicken patties. And choose skim milk rather than whole milk.

Fish is healthier than high-fat meats. Certain types of fish are rich in omega-3 fatty acids, which can lower blood fats called triglycerides. You'll find the highest amounts of omega-3 fatty acids in cold-water fish, such as salmon, mackerel and herring. Other sources are flaxseed, walnuts, soybeans and canola oil.

Legumes — beans, peas and lentils — also are good low-fat sources of protein. They contain no cholesterol, making them good substitutes for meat. Eating plant protein instead of animal protein lowers the amounts of fat and cholesterol you take in. It also boosts how much fiber you get.

Proteins to choose	Proteins to limit or avoid
Low-fat or fat-free dairy products, such as skim or low-fat (1%) milk, yogurt and cheese. Eggs. Fish, especially fatty, cold-water fish, such as salmon. Skinless poultry. Legumes. Soybeans and soy products, such as soy burgers and tofu. Lean ground meats.	Full-fat milk and other dairy products. Organ meats, such as liver. Fatty and marbled meats. Spareribs. Hot dogs and sausages. Bacon. Fried or breaded meats.

6. Limit and reduce sodium and salt​

Sodium is a mineral. It’s found naturally in some foods, such as celery or milk. Food makers also may add sodium to processed foods, such as bread and soup. Eating foods with lots of added sodium can lead to high blood pressure. So can using table salt, which contains sodium.

High blood pressure is a risk factor for heart disease. Limiting salt and sodium is a key part of a heart-healthy diet. The American Heart Association recommends that adults:

• Have no more than 2,300 milligrams (mg) of sodium a day. That's about a teaspoon of salt.
• Ideally have no more than 1,500 mg of sodium a day

Limiting the amount of salt you add to food at the table or while cooking is a good first step. But much of the sodium you eat comes from canned or processed foods. These include soups, baked goods and frozen dinners. Eat fresh foods and make your own soups and stews to lower the amount of sodium you eat.

If you like the convenience of canned soups and prepared meals, buy products with reduced sodium or no added salt. Be wary of foods that claim to be lower in sodium. They may have less sodium than the original recipe but still be high in sodium. You may wonder if sea salt is a better option than regular table salt. Sea salt has the same nutrition as regular salt.

Another way to eat less sodium is to choose your condiments carefully. Many condiments are available in reduced-sodium versions. Salt substitutes can add flavor to your food with less sodium.

Low-sodium items to choose	High-sodium items to limit or avoid
Herbs and spices. Salt-free seasoning blends. Canned soups or prepared meals with reduced sodium or no added salt. Reduced-sodium versions of condiments, such as reduced-sodium soy sauce and reduced-sodium ketchup.	Table salt. Canned soups and prepared foods, such as frozen dinners. Tomato juice. Condiments such as ketchup, mayonnaise and soy sauce. Restaurant meals.

7. Plan ahead: Create daily menus​

Create daily menus using the six tips listed above. When you choose foods for each meal and snack, focus on vegetables, fruits and whole grains. Choose lean proteins and healthy fats, and limit salty foods. Watch your portion sizes and add variety to your menu choices.

For example, if you have grilled salmon one evening, try a black bean burger the next night. This helps ensure that you'll get all of the nutrients the body needs. Variety also makes meals and snacks more interesting.

8. Have a treat once in a while​

It's OK to treat yourself every now and then. A candy bar or handful of potato chips won't derail your heart-healthy diet. But don't let treats turn into an excuse for giving up on your healthy-eating plan. If you overeat treats once in a while rather than often, you'll balance things out over the long term. What's important is that you eat healthy foods most of the time.

In general, limit added sugar to less than 10% of your daily calories. For example, if you take in about 2,000 calories a day, 10% of that amount is 200 calories. And 200 calories of added sugar equals 50 grams of the sugar added to the foods you eat Do not give food and drinks with added sugar to children younger than 2 years old.

If you follow these eight tips, you'll likely find that heart-healthy eating is something you can do and enjoy. With planning and a few simple food swaps, you can eat with your heart in mind.

my opinion here…

but that diet has so many recommendations that were and are based on manipulated and skewed statistics , bad date

I don’t have time to dissect it all but the good and bad fat and cholesterol info is bs…same with salt and fat…feck those nut oils.. we need lard and tallow..and meat..lots of meat..liver , hearts , tongues , chicken gizzards…good for humans

beef liver is the most nutrient dense food on the planet

eat more bacon

but yes , avoid sugar at all costs..same with high fructose corn syrup…avoid fluoride and glyphosate

just my 2 cents

 

[flower~power]

I can make beef liver milkshakes in the blender!

 

[bigsur51]

Lucky,I have 4 people I know who came back from Vietnam who are going thru issues from agent orange.
Seizures

my brother-in-law is in a wheelchair from the orange