The Original O'l Farts Club.

[Gray Wolf]

Well, that makes sense. I had to lie that I did not have a busted elbow (left arm doesn't go straight).

On the good side with my 4-year military "career", I wound up outranking my brother -- who had been in the AF for 8 years when I enlisted.

Lucky,I have 4 people I know who came back from Vietnam who are going thru issues from agent orange.
Seizures

War is hell and luck has a lot to do with it! Grandfather fought in WW-I and Dad fought in WW-II, but my own enlistment was during the lull between the Korean and Viet Nam wars, so I missed the joy of jungle rot, Agent Orange and Purple Hearts.

I wonder if mandatory peacetime draft is not a good idea from the standpoints that it taught us to defend ourselves, to be a part of a team and our country, instead of entitled and self-centered?

It also gave us some time to better understand ourselves before trotting off to trade school or college on the GI bill which made it more affordable.

Except for my freshman year that Dad paid for, I was able to work a full-time job and pay as I went to school nights, so I never had any student debt.

In addition, a lot of the technical training can be learned in the military, so that subsequent trade schools on the subject are unnecessary.

 

[jokerman]

Ok way too much reading for me. Let’s just be glad that they left the thread and get on with things. Don’t really want to go thru the argument again. Hope your day is good and everyone else’s too

I made blueberry muffins from Krustez and corn muffins on Sunday.
If you lived next door to me you would have had them right out of the oven.
Im hopin to get this muffin love affair over with b4 the winter comes.

 

[HempKat]

My dog passed a few months ago. (Tear) Have Mrs Pute and two wonderful cats now. I’m still Trucking.

At the risk of touching on a sensitive subject I would like to ask you a queston. If you don't wish to answer that's fine but there is no hidden objective to this question other then gathering inforation to apply towards my own thoughts on the human experience. I've noticed in the past few months that I've been active in this thread, that you tend to be a person who acts aggressively to maintain your health. One exasmple of that being the small growth on your nose. Many would just dismiss it, at least for now as the sort of changes that come to a person as they age that don't necessarily mean anything, such as wrinkles, sskin tags, etc. Yet upon noticing it you've started taking steps to have it removed on the chance it could be an early sign of skin cancer. I've also noticed from the stories you've told of your youth that you've led a fairly full life, have traveled, accomplished a number of things career wise and you keep pretty active in your retirement which probably goes back to aggressively maintaining your health. So my question is this, if your wife (heaven forbid) was no longer in the picture, do you think you would still be trying to extend your life as much as possible? I'm asking this based on what my Mother went thru and that you share in common something that was true for her when she stopped trying to extend her life. That thing being that she was the last of her immediate family as you have now shared is the same for you (not counting children). Things changed for my mother when she was the last of her family. She still had her three sons and the grandchildren that came from two of them and she loved all of us but when her final sibling passed (an older sister) she kind of gave up the desire to live past her age of 93. Now it probably helped her to reach that point, that she didn't have a living spouse which is something that is not true for you. That's why I'm curious if the fact that you still have your spouse keeps you holding on or still Trucking as you put it. I'm also comparing this to my own situation. I still have my brothers so that's not part of the equation for me although we aren't exactly close. I have lost my wife and since that happened I feel like something has changed in me. I have no desire to find a new partner and go thru all that a couple goes thru to learn how to love each other. I still do things to try to maintain my health as best as possible, like the heart procedure I had recently but I also feel like there is not much to hold on for and feel kind of indifferent to the idea of living longer (even though I'm only 64). I haven't done all that I would like but I've still done and seen a lot, traveled a far amount and had more experiences then many others have before they die. So I'm just curious what your thoughts are on life and death?

Now while I'm asking this specifically of Pute, because his situation is close to my what my Mother's was, this question is really open to anyone else who wants to chime in. I'm basically inquiring as to what makes people want to hold on and fight for life as they get closer to the typical end of life expectancy and I'm also interested in what it might take for those still trying to live longer to suddenly change their mind and stop trying to live longer. Also to be clear, by stop trying to live longer I'm not talking about suicide or thoughts of suicide. I'm talking about like what happened with my mother that when diagnosed with cancer, she decided to not try to fight it to postpone death or prolong life.

 

[HempKat]

Can anybody tell me how many steaks you could get out of this bull? - <licks lips >
*alot is not a credible answer

I haven't the slightest idea, the closest I could come would be to say a shit load of steaks. Although I'm not sure if that would really increase with size. One because not all parts of a cow or bull are suitable for steaks. So the number might be close to the same but the steaks would be bigger and maybe a bit thicker. You would definitely get a whole lot more overall usable meat then a more normal sized cow or bull. More hamburger, more stew meat, etc. The ribs would be the same but bigger. And of course the same would be true for the oysters, same number but bigger size.

 

[SubGirl]

At the risk of touching on a sensitive subject I would like to ask you a queston. If you don't wish to answer that's fine but there is no hidden objective to this question other then gathering inforation to apply towards my own thoughts on the human experience. I've noticed in the past few months that I've been active in this thread, that you tend to be a person who acts aggressively to maintain your health. One exasmple of that being the small growth on your nose. Many would just dismiss it, at least for now as the sort of changes that come to a person as they age that don't necessarily mean anything, such as wrinkles, sskin tags, etc. Yet upon noticing it you've started taking steps to have it removed on the chance it could be an early sign of skin cancer. I've also noticed from the stories you've told of your youth that you've led a fairly full life, have traveled, accomplished a number of things career wise and you keep pretty active in your retirement which probably goes back to aggressively maintaining your health. So my question is this, if your wife (heaven forbid) was no longer in the picture, do you think you would still be trying to extend your life as much as possible? I'm asking this based on what my Mother went thru and that you share in common something that was true for her when she stopped trying to extend her life. That thing being that she was the last of her immediate family as you have now shared is the same for you (not counting children). Things changed for my mother when she was the last of her family. She still had her three sons and the grandchildren that came from two of them and she loved all of us but when her final sibling passed (an older sister) she kind of gave up the desire to live past her age of 93. Now it probably helped her to reach that point, that she didn't have a living spouse which is something that is not true for you. That's why I'm curious if the fact that you still have your spouse keeps you holding on or still Trucking as you put it. I'm also comparing this to my own situation. I still have my brothers so that's not part of the equation for me although we aren't exactly close. I have lost my wife and since that happened I feel like something has changed in me. I have no desire to find a new partner and go thru all that a couple goes thru to learn how to love each other. I still do things to try to maintain my health as best as possible, like the heart procedure I had recently but I also feel like there is not much to hold on for and feel kind of indifferent to the idea of living longer (even though I'm only 64). I haven't done all that I would like but I've still done and seen a lot, traveled a far amount and had more experiences then many others have before they die. So I'm just curious what your thoughts are on life and death?

Now while I'm asking this specifically of Pute, because his situation is close to my what my Mother's was, this question is really open to anyone else who wants to chime in. I'm basically inquiring as to what makes people want to hold on and fight for life as they get closer to the typical end of life expectancy and I'm also interested in what it might take for those still trying to live longer to suddenly change their mind and stop trying to live longer. Also to be clear, by stop trying to live longer I'm not talking about suicide or thoughts of suicide. I'm talking about like what happened with my mother that when diagnosed with cancer, she decided to not try to fight it to postpone death or prolong life.

My MIL lost her husband about 10 years ago. She is also 94 years old and is showing signs of depression which I think is normal as we get old especially if we don’t have a lot of friends and family. My momma was also a cancer victim and gave up any more treatments at the end as it was too hard on her body.
‘depression has a lot to do with it. Even tho my MIL has a huge family with tons of grandkids, she complains that nobody comes to visit. We do visit and I guess the grandkids don’t as much unless there is a big family gathering but we call and check on her most everyday. She has lashed out on both daughters and my husband Mr sub at times for no reason when they are just looking out for her. She complains a LOT is the reason nobody wants to go there but we still do even tho it’s a pretty hard visit. There is always crying she calls it happy tears but it’s over the top for some of the younger ones to be around.
‘being happy in life is one’s own choice and sometimes it’s harder to manage being alone. I don’t have the answers but think that attacking the depression problem and trying to get out of that rut is a big thing

 

[flower~power]

Good morning old farts …Some people have the exact opposite problem when it comes to weight ..they can’t gain weight for example I’m about 25 pounds underweight and it’s been that way for over 10 years due to a consecutive series of health related setbacks …it’s impossible to gain weight. I just can’t do it where does that lead me as far as heart health? am I killing myself with nutrient dense fatty foods just to survive ? it’s crazy

 

[flower~power]

This past winter I was battling throat cancer, Lyme disease and coronavirus simultaneously went all the way down to 116 pounds now I’m hovering around 125… I just want to survive in relative comfort, everything else secondary

 

[SubGirl]

This past winter I was battling throat cancer, Lyme disease and coronavirus simultaneously went all the way down to 116 pounds now I’m hovering around 125… I just want to survive in relative comfort, everything else secondary

I had lost a bunch of weight when I was younger in my 30s I was addicted to running and ran my way down to skin and bones. My doc suggested a Wendy’s frosty every day which did the trick for me. I no longer need to gain any weight but am alway looking to take off about 10 pounds. Maybe a frosty a day would help you gain some weight.

 

[SubGirl]

Good morning peoples…

Did I miss snacks last night?

 

[Putembk]

At the risk of touching on a sensitive subject I would like to ask you a queston. If you don't wish to answer that's fine but there is no hidden objective to this question other then gathering inforation to apply towards my own thoughts on the human experience. I've noticed in the past few months that I've been active in this thread, that you tend to be a person who acts aggressively to maintain your health. One exasmple of that being the small growth on your nose. Many would just dismiss it, at least for now as the sort of changes that come to a person as they age that don't necessarily mean anything, such as wrinkles, sskin tags, etc. Yet upon noticing it you've started taking steps to have it removed on the chance it could be an early sign of skin cancer. I've also noticed from the stories you've told of your youth that you've led a fairly full life, have traveled, accomplished a number of things career wise and you keep pretty active in your retirement which probably goes back to aggressively maintaining your health. So my question is this, if your wife (heaven forbid) was no longer in the picture, do you think you would still be trying to extend your life as much as possible? I'm asking this based on what my Mother went thru and that you share in common something that was true for her when she stopped trying to extend her life. That thing being that she was the last of her immediate family as you have now shared is the same for you (not counting children). Things changed for my mother when she was the last of her family. She still had her three sons and the grandchildren that came from two of them and she loved all of us but when her final sibling passed (an older sister) she kind of gave up the desire to live past her age of 93. Now it probably helped her to reach that point, that she didn't have a living spouse which is something that is not true for you. That's why I'm curious if the fact that you still have your spouse keeps you holding on or still Trucking as you put it. I'm also comparing this to my own situation. I still have my brothers so that's not part of the equation for me although we aren't exactly close. I have lost my wife and since that happened I feel like something has changed in me. I have no desire to find a new partner and go thru all that a couple goes thru to learn how to love each other. I still do things to try to maintain my health as best as possible, like the heart procedure I had recently but I also feel like there is not much to hold on for and feel kind of indifferent to the idea of living longer (even though I'm only 64). I haven't done all that I would like but I've still done and seen a lot, traveled a far amount and had more experiences then many others have before they die. So I'm just curious what your thoughts are on life and death?

Now while I'm asking this specifically of Pute, because his situation is close to my what my Mother's was, this question is really open to anyone else who wants to chime in. I'm basically inquiring as to what makes people want to hold on and fight for life as they get closer to the typical end of life expectancy and I'm also interested in what it might take for those still trying to live longer to suddenly change their mind and stop trying to live longer. Also to be clear, by stop trying to live longer I'm not talking about suicide or thoughts of suicide. I'm talking about like what happened with my mother that when diagnosed with cancer, she decided to not try to fight it to postpone death or prolong life.

Wow, that deep. Getting ready to walk with Mrs Pute. Will give that some consideration Ang get back to you on that.

 

[Putembk]

Good morning OFC. Sun is shining and I’m off to a running start.

 

[Unca Walt]

Diggin' in a whole forgotten file. D'ya want to see sumpin' scary? Dr. Scooter is a fargin Time Traveler. Here is a picture of Dr. Snedeker as he was in 1878 and a hunnert and sumpin' years later as a super-doc again.

Except now Scooter has a full gray beard, too.

 

[bigsur51]

damn , I have been wandering around for 15 minutes and just now found the fecking coffee

I may need a jumpstart this morning….anyone have a pair of jumper cables?

 

[SubGirl]

Haven't read the answer yet (puf, pant... catchin' up, turning pages... ) but I see grass being ignored inside the pen. Must be something tastier in the playpen.

It’s the cow candy unca.

 

[HempKat]

I just saw this, and wanted to comment, given the turmoil this has caused you. And wanted to let you know you are not alone in being attacked by this person. In my case, for no valid reason whatsoever, other than unprovoked angst, and anger. I had never commentated, or posted a reply to this person, ever once, He, She, IT. On the internet and social media you can become whatever you want. I don't care, I call them all a person. That's it. Below is the rude and unkind response I got below. which I surmise, they "got away with". Someone posted earlier that what's good for the goose, is good for the gander. This IT obviously lives by a double standard. Guess we all should be alert to it!




This was the next maligned unprovoked post directed at me, with a "fake" disclaimer at the beginning, that this was not really intended to intentionally discredit, or lessen me, in anyone else's eyes, lmfao. So friggin obvious. And, very easy to see the opposite. Thereafter, they proceeded to call "BS" on everything I posted, and that the article stated and represented, and how they needed to police and school me for posting such. This IT person posted this about this heart friendly diet, which the "despicable and deplorable" Mayo Clinic had advocated. Mayo wasn't making any money on this diet. Everything is found at the grocery store. Frankly, the context & manner of posting is just absurd.

Since this IT person, had "supposedly" followed this diet, and gained 7 sizes (in British stones, about 100 pounds), it was the diet's fault! Oh really? Again, just absurd. You gain weight by shoveling excess food into your face. Nothing more. Nothing less. It comes down to physics. If one chooses to push food into their face like a horse, a cow, or a pig, you should expect the end results. You'll look like a fat pig. You use a forklift to shovel food into your mouth, and you blame it on diet and correspondingly, the person posting said diet, rather than looking in mirror, and seeing that you were the problem all along. Nothing diet related here. At all. It is the amount of food calories that you consume.

I will post this very lean and sugar free diet the article showed below - NOTE the first (#1) recommendation! :

8 steps to a heart-healthy diet

Certain foods can raise your risk of heart conditions. Learn eight ways to get started on a diet that's good for your heart.

www.mayoclinic.org

Heart-healthy diet: 8 steps to prevent heart disease​

Ready to start your heart-healthy diet? Here are eight tips to get you started.
By Mayo Clinic Staff

You might know that eating certain foods can raise your heart disease risk. Even though changing your eating habits can be tough, you can take simple steps to get started today. Whether you've been eating unhealthy for years or you simply want to fine-tune your diet, here are eight heart-healthy diet tips. Find out which foods to eat more of and which foods to limit. You'll soon be on your way toward a healthier diet for your heart.

1. Control portion sizes​

How much you eat is just as important as what you eat. Overloading your plate, taking seconds and eating until you feel stuffed can lead to eating more calories than you should. Portions served in restaurants often are larger than anyone needs.

Follow a few simple tips to control food portion size. These tips can help you shape up your diet as well as your heart and waistline:

• Use a small plate or bowl to help control your portions.
• Eat more low-calorie, nutrient-rich foods such as fruits and vegetables.
• Eat smaller amounts of high-calorie, high-sodium foods. These include refined, processed and fast foods.

It's also important to keep track of the number of servings you eat. Keep these points in mind:

• A serving size is a specific amount of food. It's defined by common measurements such as cups, ounces or pieces. For example, one serving of pasta is about 1/3 to 1/2 cup, or about the size of a fist. A serving of meat, fish or chicken is about 2 to 3 ounces. That's about the size and thickness of a deck of cards.
• The recommended number of servings in a food group may vary. It depends on the specific diet or guidelines you're following.
• Judging serving size is a learned skill. You may need to use measuring cups and spoons or a scale until you're comfortable with your judgment.

2. Eat more vegetables and fruits​

Vegetables and fruits are good sources of vitamins and minerals. They're also low in calories and rich in fiber. Vegetables and fruits, like other plants or plant-based foods, contain substances that may help prevent heart disease. Eating more fruits and vegetables also may help you eat less higher calorie food. Some examples of high-calorie foods are meat, cheese and snack foods.

Getting more vegetables and fruits in your diet can be easy. Keep vegetables washed and cut in your refrigerator for quick snacks. Keep fruit in a bowl in your kitchen so that you'll remember to eat it. Choose recipes that have vegetables or fruits as the main ingredients. These include vegetable stir-fry dishes or fresh fruit mixed into salads.

Fruits and vegetables to choose	Fruits and vegetables to limit
Fresh or frozen vegetables and fruits. Low-sodium canned vegetables. Canned fruit packed in 100% juice or water.	Coconut. Vegetables with creamy sauces. Fried or breaded vegetables. Canned fruit packed in heavy syrup. Frozen fruit with sugar added.

3. Choose whole grains​

Whole grains are good sources of fiber and other nutrients that play roles in heart health and controlling blood pressure. You can get more whole grains by making simple swaps with refined grain products. Or try a whole grain you haven't had before. Healthy choices include whole-grain farro, quinoa and barley. At least half of the grains you eat should be whole grains.

Grain products to choose	Grain products to limit or avoid
Whole-wheat flour. Whole-grain bread, preferably 100% whole-wheat bread or 100% whole-grain bread. High-fiber cereal with 5 g or more fiber in a serving. Whole grains such as brown rice, barley and buckwheat (kasha). Whole-grain pasta. Oatmeal (steel-cut or regular).	White, refined flour. White bread. Muffins. Frozen waffles. Cornbread. Doughnuts. Biscuits. Quick breads. Cakes. Pies. Egg noodles. Buttered popcorn. High-fat snack crackers.

4. Limit unhealthy fats​

Limit the amount of saturated and trans fats you eat. This helps lower your blood cholesterol and lower your risk of a common heart condition called coronary artery disease. A high blood cholesterol level can lead to a buildup of plaques in the arteries, called atherosclerosis. And that can raise the risk of heart attack and stroke.

The American Heart Association offers these guidelines for how much fat to include in a heart-healthy diet:

Type of fat	Recommendation
Saturated fat	Less than 6% of total daily calories. If you're eating 2,000 calories a day, that's about 11 to 13 grams.
Trans fat	Stay away from them.

Note: The 2020-2025 Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommend limiting saturated fat to less than 10% of total daily calories.

There are simple ways to cut back on saturated and trans fats for a heart-healthy diet:

• Trim fat from meat or choose lean meats with less than 10% fat.
• Use less butter, margarine and shortening when cooking and serving.
• Use low-fat substitutions when you can. For example, top a baked potato with low-sodium salsa or low-fat yogurt rather than butter. Or use sliced whole fruit or low-sugar fruit spread on toast instead of margarine.

Check the food labels of cookies, cakes, frostings, crackers and chips. These foods are low on nutrition. And some of them — even those labeled reduced fat — may contain trans fats. Trans fats can no longer be added to foods in the United States. But they could be in products made in other countries. Trans fats may be listed as partially hydrogenated oil on the ingredient label. Also, many of the partially hydrogenated fats or trans fats typically contained in desserts and snack foods have been replaced with saturated fats. So it's still a good idea to limit those foods.

Fats to choose	Fats to limit
Olive oil. Canola oil. Vegetable and nut oils. Margarine, trans fat free. Cholesterol-lowering margarine, such as Benecol, Promise Activ or Smart Balance. Nuts and seeds. Avocados.	Butter. Lard. Bacon fat. Gravy. Cream sauce. Nondairy creamers. Hydrogenated margarine and shortening. Cocoa butter, found in chocolate. Coconut, palm, cottonseed and palm kernel oils.

When you use fats, choose unsaturated ones. There are two main types. Monounsaturated fats are found in products such as olive oil or canola oil. Polyunsaturated fats are found in certain fish and in avocados, nuts and seeds. When used in place of saturated fats, unsaturated fats may help lower your total blood cholesterol. But it's still important to limit how much of these fats you eat. All types of fats are high in calories.

An easy way to add healthy fat — and fiber — to your diet is to use ground flaxseed. Flaxseeds are small brown seeds that are high in fiber and healthy fats called omega-3 fatty acids. Studies have shown that flaxseed lowers unhealthy cholesterol levels in some people. You can grind flaxseeds in a coffee grinder or food processor. Then stir a teaspoon of the ground flaxseed into yogurt, applesauce or hot cereal.

5. Choose low-fat protein sources​

Lean meat, poultry and fish; low-fat or fat-free dairy products; and eggs are some of the best sources of protein. Choose lower fat options, such as skinless chicken breasts rather than fried chicken patties. And choose skim milk rather than whole milk.

Fish is healthier than high-fat meats. Certain types of fish are rich in omega-3 fatty acids, which can lower blood fats called triglycerides. You'll find the highest amounts of omega-3 fatty acids in cold-water fish, such as salmon, mackerel and herring. Other sources are flaxseed, walnuts, soybeans and canola oil.

Legumes — beans, peas and lentils — also are good low-fat sources of protein. They contain no cholesterol, making them good substitutes for meat. Eating plant protein instead of animal protein lowers the amounts of fat and cholesterol you take in. It also boosts how much fiber you get.

Proteins to choose	Proteins to limit or avoid
Low-fat or fat-free dairy products, such as skim or low-fat (1%) milk, yogurt and cheese. Eggs. Fish, especially fatty, cold-water fish, such as salmon. Skinless poultry. Legumes. Soybeans and soy products, such as soy burgers and tofu. Lean ground meats.	Full-fat milk and other dairy products. Organ meats, such as liver. Fatty and marbled meats. Spareribs. Hot dogs and sausages. Bacon. Fried or breaded meats.

6. Limit and reduce sodium and salt​

Sodium is a mineral. It’s found naturally in some foods, such as celery or milk. Food makers also may add sodium to processed foods, such as bread and soup. Eating foods with lots of added sodium can lead to high blood pressure. So can using table salt, which contains sodium.

High blood pressure is a risk factor for heart disease. Limiting salt and sodium is a key part of a heart-healthy diet. The American Heart Association recommends that adults:

• Have no more than 2,300 milligrams (mg) of sodium a day. That's about a teaspoon of salt.
• Ideally have no more than 1,500 mg of sodium a day

Limiting the amount of salt you add to food at the table or while cooking is a good first step. But much of the sodium you eat comes from canned or processed foods. These include soups, baked goods and frozen dinners. Eat fresh foods and make your own soups and stews to lower the amount of sodium you eat.

If you like the convenience of canned soups and prepared meals, buy products with reduced sodium or no added salt. Be wary of foods that claim to be lower in sodium. They may have less sodium than the original recipe but still be high in sodium. You may wonder if sea salt is a better option than regular table salt. Sea salt has the same nutrition as regular salt.

Another way to eat less sodium is to choose your condiments carefully. Many condiments are available in reduced-sodium versions. Salt substitutes can add flavor to your food with less sodium.

Low-sodium items to choose	High-sodium items to limit or avoid
Herbs and spices. Salt-free seasoning blends. Canned soups or prepared meals with reduced sodium or no added salt. Reduced-sodium versions of condiments, such as reduced-sodium soy sauce and reduced-sodium ketchup.	Table salt. Canned soups and prepared foods, such as frozen dinners. Tomato juice. Condiments such as ketchup, mayonnaise and soy sauce. Restaurant meals.

7. Plan ahead: Create daily menus​

Create daily menus using the six tips listed above. When you choose foods for each meal and snack, focus on vegetables, fruits and whole grains. Choose lean proteins and healthy fats, and limit salty foods. Watch your portion sizes and add variety to your menu choices.

For example, if you have grilled salmon one evening, try a black bean burger the next night. This helps ensure that you'll get all of the nutrients the body needs. Variety also makes meals and snacks more interesting.

8. Have a treat once in a while​

It's OK to treat yourself every now and then. A candy bar or handful of potato chips won't derail your heart-healthy diet. But don't let treats turn into an excuse for giving up on your healthy-eating plan. If you overeat treats once in a while rather than often, you'll balance things out over the long term. What's important is that you eat healthy foods most of the time.

In general, limit added sugar to less than 10% of your daily calories. For example, if you take in about 2,000 calories a day, 10% of that amount is 200 calories. And 200 calories of added sugar equals 50 grams of the sugar added to the foods you eat Do not give food and drinks with added sugar to children younger than 2 years old.

If you follow these eight tips, you'll likely find that heart-healthy eating is something you can do and enjoy. With planning and a few simple food swaps, you can eat with your heart in mind.

Wow that really bothered you didn't it. As the one who saaid what's good for the goose is good for the gander and having seen all the exchanges that you felt were unprovoked attacks I feel safe in saying it all burned down to a difference in opinions. The first one where you were told to go away wass because you had/have a different view on politics then many here and when you tried to defend your view you were seen as being a "shit stirrer" for lack of a better term. You weren't though you were just trying to freely express your views as others were doing with theirs (which is the whole goose/gander thing). Now the diet thing is a bit more complicated as that involved a personal experience where the diet you were highlighting ended up not working so great for Imiubu and she discovered a different diet which worked a whole lot better for her to the point she felt the need to aggressively promote it because it was a diet conventional wisdom says is not heart healthy. The thing is we aren't all the same and so it comes down to different strokes for different folks. Being that none of us are doctors (although one of us fathered one so he has maybe a bit more insight) none of us are able to see the whole picture to decide why one diet is better then another for certain individuals. Neither of you were really wrong which is fine. Different strokes for different folks and all.

What I find most unfortunate about the whole thing is that at least for now the group is smaller since Imiubu decided to leave the group because she felt slighted. What's particularly sad about that is she was one of the few female voices here, so her leaving has a bigger effect then if one of the many males here left. It's kind of a shame that Imiubu didn't really live up to her name (I am I you be you). Which suggests that we all should be more tolerant of different opinions and not allow them to create such divisions in the overall group. Hopefully though, for the sake of the group as a whole, pute will be correct when he said something to the effect of "you'll eventually miss us" Imiubu was here for a fair bit of time to just throw it all away over what as really a misunderstanding between two members. So maybe she will miss the group and come back eventually? It's hard to say though sincee Imiubu strikes me as being a very strong minded strong willed woman. My saying what's good for the goose is good for the gander was meant to be me saying if she didn't like what was said to her then she should do the same with that person and see if he objected, maybe it would have led to a greater understanding between them? Nobody here really wanted her to leave, in fact several encouraged her to stay but I suspect she had already left at that point and didn't see those messages.

 

[SubGirl]

I made blueberry muffins from Krustez and corn muffins on Sunday.
If you lived next door to me you would have had them right out of the oven.
Im hopin to get this muffin love affair over with b4 the winter comes.

You gonna make me order a case so I can eat warm muffins with ya

 

[HempKat]

Portion size
If anyone told me I would share a egg sandwich or a bagel ,I would ask you where youget your weed from.
But thats a lot of it .
Portion size.
I live in the land of great pizzerias and know them all.
We sometimes would split a hero ,now we each eat 1/4 and happy.
Stoned is a different story. I turn into the hulk

Lucky you, if I eat too much egg sandwiches, bagels, heroes or pizzas I turn into the Incredible Bulk "You wouldn't like me when I'm hangry"

 

[Putembk]

Out the door…..BB later. Please everybody get along.

 

[flower~power]

Maybe a frosty a day would help you gain some weight.

Other problem is that I’m an extremely rural area. It’s at least 30 minutes to get to the shopping or any kind of food everything has to be bought and then prepared and then cleaned up but I do eat ice cream or try every night.

 

[flower~power]

It would be nice to have the butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker all lined up at my disposal