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The New & Improved [ROLS MEGATHREAD].

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ClackamasCootz

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Around 1988 or so the 'bestest & newest' hydroponic systems were using the NFT method (Nutrient Film Technique). I looked at a couple of systems from the usual suspects, read the pamphlet and I thought to myself - "This is a disaster waiting to happen"

A couple of years later it worked out that my prediction was right...probably too technical maybe? Too many variables to consider? It just seemed to me that this wasn't exactly a plug 'n play approach.

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EDIT: Kudos to greenmatter for correcting the name - I wrote 'Flow' and should have been 'Film' - thanks!
 
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Seandawg

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Around 1988 or so the 'bestest & newest' hydroponic systems were using the NFT method (Nutrient Film Technique). I looked at a couple of systems from the usual suspects, read the pamphlet and I thought to myself - "This is a disaster waiting to happen"

Many years later, newer and more refined systems and we can still say the same thing, "This is a disaster waiting to happen" lmao
 

shmalphy

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I been puffing on the BMxVR. Definitely an electric soaring high. The hash is almost too much, anxiety inducing if you will.
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BlueJayWay

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That's the 20% pheno I was talking about. Lucky you...

Over the next 2 weeks or so you'll be getting some very different aromas from her. Keep up the weekly SST & Fulvic acid teas right up through harvest. This will increase the resin set and start looking for very tall trichromes as well.

Definitely the one I would look for if I were germinating VR seeds.



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Very cool - growth and structure wise she's been the one I was eyeing as the most ideal 'keeper' of the group - but had me worried with nearly no smells coming off her. It wasn't until after 40 to 50 days of flowering that she started to put off any aromas, talk about taking her time until she let me smell her roses!
 

shmalphy

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Anyone tried dandelion seed sprout teas? I collected a bunch of flower heads yesterday, I might try it the same way as I do alfalfa seeds, in a mason jar with a paint strainer over the top with a rubber band... Not sure if this will work, or if dandelion seed is a mucilage deal, I will let you all know...

Also collected some horsetail. I want to try this to get the silica

"To successfully extract available silica from horsetail, live young actively growing stems are used to prepare a thick syrup; in them, silica is still in solution waiting to be deposited as structural plates. Silica tends to be insoluble at pH below 7.2-7.4. The pH of honey is 7.4-7.8. Quickly cut-up soft green stems and place in very warm (100-110oF) honey, 1 part horsetail to 3 parts warm honey and keep at circa 100oF for several days, stirring several times daily. The high honey sugar content will burst equisetum cells and preserve the contents from microbial growth"

http://www.ryandrum.com/threeherbs1.htm

This is the first time I collected horsetail. I don't know if these would be considered young growing or not. I plan to cut them into the honey, and put it in my oven with the pilot light. I got some agsil 16 to do a side by side with, so I can see how it compares at different doses.
 

Coba

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I just picked up Horsetail from my fav. retail nursery... I'm seriously interested in your results Smalph.

Field Horsetail
SILICA Plant 60,000 - 97,000 ppm
SILICIC-ACID Plant 50,000 - 80,000 ppm
SILICON Plant 386 ppm

Edit:how much of that translocates into my water is a mystery to me.
 
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YosemiteSam

I'm unsure how they work for sprout tea since they're so mucilogenous

They work well but you have to sprout them differently as you noted, i.e. mucilaginous like chia seeds and many others.

Take a piece of cloth and get it wet. Wring it out and fold 2 times making a book. Spread the seeds on the open book & spray them with water to raise the moisture level a bit and close the book. Check on them every few hours to make sure the cloth isn't drying out too fast.

Flax seeds are a nutrient powerhouse and you'll be wanting to do this in the future. Chia seeds are another good choice as well Coriander seeds (Cilantro).

HTH

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How do you keep from getting that gelatinous mess from chia seeds? I soaked them and got a mess.

My son was eating them and showed me what is in them. Wow...lots of good stuff. I really like the fatty acid profile and was wondering if a little bit of fat wouldn't be good for microbes.

In fact, I find myself wondering if that is why fish isn't so good...not the N, but the fat.
 

ClackamasCootz

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How do you keep from getting that gelatinous mess from chia seeds?

Using a wet cloth is the best way for chia, flax, etc. seeds.

Coco Libre is bringing an organic coconut water & sprouted chia seed drink to market soon according to their web site. That will be interesting.

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Gascanastan

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They're meeting this week to discuss this new 'veganic venue'




I have a buddy who had a chance to ask Kyle,"so Kyle,you know that with a living organic soil you don't have to adjust ph,so why do you suggest that people buy the meters then?'...Kyle says,"you are absolutely right *****,but new growers need them to bla bla bla yadda yadda yadda <insert same old myth-based bullshit here>....
 
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I have a buddy who had a chance to ask Kyle,"so Kyle,you know that with a living organic soil you don't have to adjust ph,so why do you suggest that people buy the meters then?'...Kyle says,"you are absolutely right *****,but new growers need them to bla bla bla yadda yadda yadda <insert same old myth-based bullshit here>....

I would argue that a sap pH meter has its place. It is an absolute fact that microbiology and cation/anion balance control pH (trying to pH your water is the tail wagging the dog...completely worthless). Having a living organic soil takes care of the microbiology but not the cation/anion balance. When everything is right the sap pH will be 6.4 and your plant will have max immunity from disease and a big advantage against insects. Living soil or not if you lack Ca (or K during bud fill) you will not have ideal sap pH.

Now having a high humus content will help things and even decent bagged potting soil will be very high in humus...the bag I checked had 34% humus and a cec of 35. But if you are willing to go one more step there are rewards to reap.

I would agree you can get by without it...no worries. But getting by is not what I am about.

I will shut up now.
 

ClackamasCootz

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No luck for me in CO...but out east or out west there is a pretty good list of places to find rock dusts and basalts

Were it not for an unrelated need for a lot of basalt boulders that will be used to shore-up the levees at the mouth of the Columbia River and in anticipation that the coal transfer points on the same river are approved, the only thing we would have in the western states would be Gaia Green Glacial Rock Dust.

How long basalt rock dust remains available is directly related to the projects I mentioned. They didn't start bagging this for agriculture or gardening markets - we just got lucky. For awhile anyway.

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Seandawg

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I would agree you can get by without it...no worries. But getting by is not what I am about.
I will shut up now.

Please continue,
I want to do more than "get by" also,
And by this point I don't know how a pH meter could do any better for my already stable soil.
 

HughMungus

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A couple questions for the resident ganja gurus:

I went to a couple garden supply stores today looking to buy some comfrey (with no luck) and was poking around looking at their products. There were two items from Espoma that I was wondering if they were a) Organic, and b) something that you guys would use when amending a peat based soil. The first one was Potash derived from "Muriate of Potash", and the other one was Triple Phosphate.

One other item I noticed was corn gluten meal, but it was being marketed as a weed killer/lawn fertilizer. Would this be at all useful in my soil?
 

VerdantGreen

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never quite understood the level of hate for pH meters. i guess to some people it has come to represent a whole raft of things that they dont like.

for me, being able to measure pH has been part of my learning journey and i wouldnt have been able to overcome certain hurdles without it.

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