The New & Improved [ROLS MEGATHREAD].

[SilverSurfer_OG]

Perhaps there is an animal that will eat the stuff. I bet a pig or two might just uproot the stuff even if they cant eat/touch the foliage... ring some electric fence around a patch and chuck in the pig/s. This works well for blackberries.

The praying leaf thing is a bit of a conundrum. I always assumed they were reaching up for the light but thats been kinda debunked. Perhaps the stomata on the underside of the leaves are being exposed more for some reason??

 

[VerdantGreen]

interesting stuff on the praying leaves...

basically the plant's natural response to maximise photosynthesis (phototropism) is being interrupted in some way and for some reason. phototropism is the plants ability to move and angle it's leaves so as to catch the maximum light throughout the day. its a complicated process but the plant growth regulators called Auxins are the ones that make plant cells elongate to bend leaves leaves and catch the maximum light.

VG

 

[xmobotx]

what if the increased angle puts the light through the leaf at a more inclined angle causing the light to pass through "the long way" and the explanation focuses more on that light which passes through the leaf

 

[vonforne]

Or what if the effects of the sprout tea increases the light absorption so much that the plants reaction to this is to deflect or decrease light absorption? You had previously stated that the leaf absorbs more light when its leaves remain flat to provide a larger surface for absorption but what happens when it is increased by 10 x´s? This could be a reason for the Jesus Effect.

We can now call it the Jesus Effect. Now it has a scientific name. lol

 

[Coba]

"The plant pictured started praying during lights off. "

that means it closer to what Unc is saying. mine do perk up a good 1/2 hour before my light comes on though.

VG, based on the link MHG provided I think plants only put their leaves horizontal to the light during periods of low light. they utilize a cooling strategy during peak light hours by positioning their leaves in a more vertical position to the light...

the horizontal position of the leaves is the plants natural response to maximize photosynthesis (photo-tropism) ... but is only utilized when the plant has to struggle for light rays... otherwise, during maximum light penetration the plant has to struggle to keep cool.

it seems to me the plants fluids flow in and out of the leaf vein and capillaries and cells and it makes the plant move... kinda like a hydraulic actuator . what ever is controlling that pressure or flow of pressure is stuck on after the delivery of enzymes, hormones, sugars, etc. and if silica makes the plants cell walls stronger then the silica is making the actuator action even more stiff.

Bulliform cell ---

Bulliform cells are large, bubble-shaped epidermal cells that occur in groups on the upper surface of the leaves of many grasses. Loss of turgor pressure in these cells causes leaves to "roll up" during water stress. During drought, the loss of moisture through vacuoles induces bulliform cells to cause the leaves of many grass species to close as the two edges of the grass blade fold up toward each other. Once adequate water is available, these cells enlarge and the leaves open again. Folded leaves offer less exposure to sunlight, so they are heated less thus reducing evaporation and conserving the remaining water in the plant and occur on the leaves of many monocotyledons but are probably best known in grasses. They are thought to play a role in the unfolding of developing leaves and in the rolling and unrolling of mature leaves in response to alternating wet and dry periods..[1]

maybe something can be comparable to what were seeing with the Jesus Effect^^

 

[Coba]

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side question,is an old 55 gallon barrel (water only) a good spot to store a soil mix while it does its bio thingy? ie after i mix it all up but before its ready for use...

Congrats Unc, is it your first batch of ROLS?

 

[VerdantGreen]

coba, cannabis is one of the most light hungry plants that we know of, and our indoor lighting isnt that strong compared to the sun. apart form the praying response i think we normally see leaves orientated to catch most light.

VG

 

[Coba]

I can't stop Googling keywords... I'm into this.

My google keyword adventure so far..
Phototroph(They use the energy from light to carry out various cellular metabolic processes)-->Enzyme(They are highly selective catalysts, greatly accelerating both the rate and specificity of metabolic reactions) <-- all kinds of stuff could be happening right there.

then...
Surfactant-->Tonicity-->Cytolysis<-- is bad

I think it's a combination of things going on, not quite sure if they are all good or all bad... but i think it's in this string of keywords somewhere...

 

[MileHighGuy]

Dear 8 pounds 6 ounces... new born infant jesus effect ,don't even know a word yet.

 

[unclefishstick]

Congrats Unc, is it your first batch of ROLS?

no,i grew in a recycled mix for years,i used to have about 3-400 gallons of mix in various stages in about 12 garbage cans..had a whole system set up so the soil could be used a couple times,put back into the re-amendment cycle,left to age....then 4 garbage cans in the middle of the cycle went anaerobic on me and turned to brown sludge and at that point i was also so sick of fungus gnats i trash all the soil and never went back...im mixing up a new batch now...but i swear,if i see one frickin gnat it all goes outside into the veggie garden......

 

[vonforne]

no,i grew in a recycled mix for years,i used to have about 3-400 gallons of mix in various stages in about 12 garbage cans..had a whole system set up so the soil could be used a couple times,put back into the re-amendment cycle,left to age....then 4 garbage cans in the middle of the cycle went anaerobic on me and turned to brown sludge and at that point i was also so sick of fungus gnats i trash all the soil and never went back...im mixing up a new batch now...but i swear,if i see one frickin gnat it all goes outside into the veggie garden......

Neem-Seed-Meal! better known as gnat-be-gone. lol

 

[unclefishstick]

didnt know about that back then...i wish i had,it would have saved loads of frustration...i would get rid of them over and over again only to have them come back with a vengeance every time i had to bring new materials into the system...i could put up a yellow sticky trap and have it covered in 15 minutes... indeed,the neem meal is the sticking point right now,otherwise the stack of stuff in the workshop would be all mixed up now and doing its funky sexy bio dance...but ironically the organics veggie garden is taking up too much time and money for me to order it...

 

[vonforne]

I know what you mean Unc.

I get my supplies a little at a time......soil building due to economics.

 

[RanchoDeluxe]

Seems like a good time for this question. After testing and picking up some kelp meal I would like to add a couple more amendments to my recycled soil. I will only have a couple weeks of cycling time.

I'm sure I'll be safe adding a TBS per gal of kelp meal and fish bone meal, but I'd rather run it past you guys first and see what you think?

Thanks
RD

 

[Seandawg]

Seems like a good time for this question. After testing and picking up some kelp meal I would like to add a couple more amendments to my recycled soil. I will only have a couple weeks of cycling time.

I'm sure I'll be safe adding a TBS per gal of kelp meal and fish bone meal, but I'd rather run it past you guys first and see what you think?

Thanks
RD

How many runs have you done in this soil? At only a tbsp per gallon I don't even know if its necessary. I would more likely add EWC top dress instead. But that's just me...

 

[RanchoDeluxe]

"Does anyone know an organic Poison Oak killer?"

Find someone in your area w/ a herd of goats. They love Poison Oak. Most of these goat people have invisible electric fences, if that's an issue. I'm not sure who pays who here, but I don't think it makes a bit of difference.

 

[vonforne]

If you have cycled the soil a couple of times then it should be ok.

And I add my amendments with my hand usually. lol

But you cannot go wrong or over do it with fresh EWC!!

 

[unclefishstick]

no kidding,the startup cost can be a wee bit-o-cash not to mention the pita factor trying to source all this stuff,especially on a bicycle...but at this point the garden beds are built and filled,some early crops in the ground,the composting area is ready and i have the neighbors pitching their lawn clippings into my yard so i have some green materials to work with,all the xeriscaping is pretty well installed,that was time sensitive as the plants need to root in strongly before the summer heat hits...at any rate,i have just about everything in place to have a nice set of organic gardens,not something i expect will happen overnight but rather evolve as time goes by....

 

[RanchoDeluxe]

How many runs have you done in this soil? At only a tbsp per gallon I don't even know if its necessary. I would more likely add EWC top dress instead. But that's just me...

It was run once. I added 1tbs per gal of Espoma bio tone (wanted to use it up).
Tested out this "recycled" batch and I've got a small amount of lower leaves yellowing at Day 35 of flower....I know not a big deal. I added 10% EWC w/ the bio tone as well.

After reading what I just wrote...I think you just may be right there SurfBiter

 

[bigshrimp]

"Organic poison oak killer?"

Water used to pasteurize straw becomes a potent herbicide after a few uses

I've never made the water intentionally always as a byproduct, but here's the process-


Pack straw into container, add water, raise temperature to 165-180F for 1-2 hours. Remove straw and refill with more keeping the water. Repeat until its a dark tea. Should kill just about everything.

The times and temps are for pasteurizing straw not making herbicide, so in sure they could be fiddled with for a better product or more efficient process.

Search 'water bath pasteurization' for details.