must spread rep before giving to MHG again...
thanks for the input man.
thanks for the input man.
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For me it is just an assumption. As with anything that assumption comes from observation. And by observation I came to the conclusion that when the plants are health and the soil is the so called ´dialed in´ that the plants respond in this manner. They seem to crave more light at this time by stretching their leaves to obtain the maximum amount of light that they can. They only do this at certain times when certain inputs are used.....ie particular teas and folair schedules are used. It soes depend on the quality of the products you use and in what combination. It is different for all strains and growing environments. This observation is most common outdoors where the plant has a much more concentrated amount of light per square meter than in an indoor environment.
Again, this is just an assumption on my part brought on by years of observation and backed by no amount of scientific research.
I notice this mostly in veg time, and yes it does seem to indicate the plants are healthy...
For me it is just an assumption. As with anything that assumption comes from observation. And by observation I came to the conclusion that when the plants are health and the soil is the so called ´dialed in´ that the plants respond in this manner. They seem to crave more light at this time by stretching their leaves to obtain the maximum amount of light that they can. They only do this at certain times when certain inputs are used.....ie particular teas and folair schedules are used. It soes depend on the quality of the products you use and in what combination. It is different for all strains and growing environments. This observation is most common outdoors where the plant has a much more concentrated amount of light per square meter than in an indoor environment.
Again, this is just an assumption on my part brought on by years of observation and backed by no amount of scientific research.
i hear you von, but i disagree that the plant is stretching it's leaves because it is craving more light. with light from overhead the plant will get the most light when its leaves are flat, at right angles to the light source.... by moving it's leaves at a diagonal to the light source its is actually getting less light.
perhaps other plant processes are going on during this 'praying'?
my leaves do exactly the same thing after a foliar of silica blast...
side question,is an old 55 gallon barrel (water only) a good spot to store a soil mix while it does its bio thingy? ie after i mix it all up but before its ready for use.
I don't see why not! Just make sure it's not so wet that it goes anaerobic ya know? For that reason, I love a 100 gallon smart pot.
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vonforne
I like to store it in a shaded area around 70 degrees or so.
That makes sense.... I always forget about how some people have nice weather haha
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vonforne
I have considered this and you make a great point. Now, with the plant doing this outside where there is plenty of light per square meter there must be some other considerations to take into account.
Reaction to certain inputs only?
Too much? Too less?
About the only way to find out is to do side by sides and alternate the inputs on different schedules for each plant and to document them. The environment must be constant during this time so a very controlled growing area is required which most of us lack.
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Started reading this today.
Leaf Angle: An adaptive feature of sun and shade leaves.
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/2474694?uid=3739568&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21101913655241
Leaf Angle: An adaptive feature of sun and shade leaves.
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/2474694?uid=3739568&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21101913655241
maybe that would have been a better question,whats the best way to store it?
is the 90's but shaded too hot?
i already have plants in ground in the veggie garden...
im fuzzy on the chemistry but i would think fermenting barley there would be at least some sugar produced and i know from cooking that when you spray sugar water on something and let it dry it curls up a bit....
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Jesus, trying to tkeep up with this thread is a full time job. 10 pages a day plus lol
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vonforne
The higher the temps the faster the decomposition rate and the faster the soil will dry out. And in plastic it will get even higher temps even if the sun does not hit it.
We were not talking leaf curl due to sugars being added via folair feeding but watering in certain combinations of additives and folair feeding Kelp, neem, Aloe, seed meal teas, FPE and the like.
The leaves are just standing up but have no kind of damage like you are speaking of.
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IME, stretching comes from too much N in my mix, so it has insane stalks. When my soil mix was reused, they lightened up and stopped the curling over-fertilization symptoms. More N made for a longer flowering cycle, adding a week or so, and even more for curing out the harsh 'green taste'.
also IME, the taco/praying leaves was when I kept the medium too moist. I let it dry out a few days and they looked fine, although I wasnt worried.
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i mean in the sense that the sugar/water combo as it dries alters the local surface tension enough that will cause something thin like a leaf to curl.im guessing that the fermentation process no matter what you were fermenting would produce sugars of some sort,indeed i would assume all those things contain "sugar" in some form.
i admit im just sort of spitballing here but it was actually metaphorically through cooking that started to understand growing and especially organic soil...making a good soil is like making soup,as long as you start with good quality ingredients and dont use too much of anything you should end up with a decent soup...
I rarely foliar anything and get the praying effect.
Ok here are the materials that i know to provide this effect:
Sprout tea, kelp, aloe, coconut water, humic/fulvic acids. Anybody got more?
So far the only thing i see in common is auxins/ auxin like response.
Do we really know anything about sprout teas other than they work?
Ok here are the materials that i know to provide this effect:
Sprout tea, kelp, aloe, coconut water, humic/fulvic acids. Anybody got more?
So far the only thing i see in common is auxins/ auxin like response.
Do we really know anything about sprout teas other than they work?
i would think even two days would be plenty of time for some level of fermentation to occur,and even without it any form of plant material is going to have some level of plant sugars in it,whether or not there is enough sugar present in those solutions is open to speculation i guess.
hi SR i think you misunderstood my question. i am talking about the praying leaves, not curling/canoeing/clawing or stretching.
von's pic at the top of the last page is a good example.
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