The New & Improved [ROLS MEGATHREAD].

[bigshrimp]

i would think even two days would be plenty of time for some level of fermentation to occur,and even without it any form of plant material is going to have some level of plant sugars in it,whether or not there is enough sugar present in those solutions is open to speculation i guess.

Sprout teas and sprouts should not go anerobic. Fermentation is an anerobic process. We are after the plant hormones and secondary metabolites that the living sprouts contain. Sprout-puree-dilute-apply is what i do. I add some fulvic acid and only bubble if its sitting for awhile.

 

[unclefishstick]

i understand that,my point had more to do with the presence of some form of sugar in all of those things,no matter how they are made.so it was more as a very simple explanation for the observed effect on the plant leaves.otherwise you would have to consider it some sort of tropic response so figuring out the triggering mechanism and whether its actually a positive or negative reaction is a much more complicated process...

 

[bigshrimp]

i understand that,my point had more to do with the presence of some form of sugar in all of those things,no matter how they are made.so it was more as a very simple explanation for the observed effect on the plant leaves.otherwise you would have to consider it some sort of tropic response so figuring out the triggering mechanism and whether its actually a positive or negative reaction is a much more complicated process...

I water my sprout teas in, not foliar. I still observe praying effects. Therefore we can rule out sugar leaf interaction via foliar as the mechanism for the praying effect. Pretty simple really...

 

[dogfishheadie]

so after mixing all of my soil up last night, I realized I forgot to add my gypsum which I won't have access to till tomorrow. Will I be okay to mix it in 24 hours or so into cooking? not sure if the soil needs to be left undisturbed for the next few weeks.


thanks!

 

[Neo 420]

so after mixing all of my soil up last night, I realized I forgot to add my gypsum which I won't have access to till tomorrow. Will I be okay to mix it in 24 hours or so into cooking? not sure if the soil needs to be left undisturbed for the next few weeks.


thanks!

I do shit like that all the time.. Forget I have no (whatever) and add it when I can.

Actually I would give the contents a good mix every couple of weeks or so..

 

[vonforne]

I have 2 year old soil and have just mixed in my Bentonite clay. lol I add things all the time. That is why I call it soil building.

 

[unclefishstick]

I water my sprout teas in, not foliar. I still observe praying effects. Therefore we can rule out sugar leaf interaction via foliar as the mechanism for the praying effect. Pretty simple really...

oh i see,i thought people were primarily using these as foliar feeds,my mistake,theres a lot to absorb here...
not dismissing the beneficial effects of these teas and such,just offering a possible very simple explanation,im a big fan of occam's razor...

 

[Coba]

Started reading this today.

Leaf Angle: An adaptive feature of sun and shade leaves.

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/2474694?uid=3739568&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21101913655241

i understand that,my point had more to do with the presence of some form of sugar in all of those things,no matter how they are made.so it was more as a very simple explanation for the observed effect on the plant leaves.otherwise you would have to consider it some sort of tropic response so figuring out the triggering mechanism and whether its actually a positive or negative reaction is a much more complicated process...

is everyone absolutely convinced that the leaves 'praying' or standing up is a sign of the plant being extra happy?

is there any scientific evidence to support it.?

just wondering, because a plant reducing its leaves' angle of incidence to the light source (and therefore catching less photons/energy) seems like an odd thing to do for a plant thats really happy.

some of mine do it sometimes and i never spray them with anything (except pest control).

Just wondering,

VG

I'm trying to understand this too... MHG and Unc got me thinking something.

if the leaves are more vertical during peak light hours to aid with cooling the plant during photosynthesis vs. a more horizontal position during low light periods to help capture as much light as possible.

and if the solutions we are spraying or feeding our plants are creating turgor pressure because of the sugars rushing through the leaf veins... then the "praying to the lights" is caused by each having an amplification on each other?

both are signs of a healthy plant.

 

[unclefishstick]

like maybe an altered surface tension may open the stomata a bit further speeding up the transpiration process and creating a hydro-tropic response rather than a photo-tropic response...

 

[MileHighGuy]

If there is a specific process that causes this phenomenon then it does make sense that our Barley tea would make it happen faster....

The main goal of the Seed Tea is the Enzymes.

From Wiki:

Like all catalysts, enzymes work by lowering the activation energy (Ea‡) for a reaction, thus dramatically increasing the rate of the reaction. As a result, products are formed faster and reactions reach their equilibrium state more rapidly. Most enzyme reaction rates are millions of times faster than those of comparable un-catalyzed reactions. As with all catalysts, enzymes are not consumed by the reactions they catalyze, nor do they alter the equilibrium of these reactions. However, enzymes do differ from most other catalysts in that they are highly specific for their substrates. Enzymes are known to catalyze about 4,000 biochemical reactions.[3] A few RNA molecules called ribozymes also catalyze reactions, with an important example being some parts of the ribosome.[4][5] Synthetic molecules called artificial enzymes also display enzyme-like catalysis.[6]


On a side note, I also do not foliar the barley tea... I only water with it.

 

[Coba]

it's like they're amped on tweak.

 

[unclefishstick]

so basically anytime you are able to supply the plant with something it would otherwise need to make itself you free up energy ( or lower the energy gradient) thus leading to an enhanced metabolic reaction?

 

[MileHighGuy]

Researching Enzymes in soil is like opening pandoras Box... To many Articles... and to many new words for me to look up haha

 

[vonforne]

Soil enzymes are constantly playing vital roles for the maintenance of soil ecology and soil health. These enzymatic activities in the soil are mainly of microbial origin, being derived from intracellular, cell-associated or free enzymes. Therefore, microorganisms are acting as the indicators of soil health, as they have active effects on nutritional cycling, also affecting the physical and chemical properties of soil. Microorganisms respond quickly even to minute changes by changing their population and activities, and thus, can be used for soil health assessment. On the other hand, soil enzymes are the direct mediators for biological catabolism of soil organic and mineral components and they are often closely related to soil organic matters, soil physical properties, and microbial activities or biomass. They are the better indicators of soil health as changes of enzymes are much sooner than other parameters, thus providing early indications of changes in soil health. In addition, their activities can be used as the measures of microbial activity, soil productivity, and inhibiting effects of pollutants. The potential enzymes playing major roles in maintaining soil health are – amylase, arylsulphatase, β-glucosidase, cellulase, chitinase, dehydrogenase, phosphatase, protease, and urease. Deterioration of soil, and thereby soil health, is of concern for human, animal, and plant health because air, groundwater, and surface water consumed by humans can be adversely affected by mismanaged and contaminated soil.

here is a copy and paste from coot a while back

 

[John Deere]

im fuzzy on the chemistry but i would think fermenting barley there would be at least some sugar produced and i know from cooking that when you spray sugar water on something and let it dry it curls up a bit....

Fermenting doesn't increase sugar, it reduces it.

 

[BlueJayWay]

Yes please, I would love to know why a plant looks like this:



And within an hour of a sprouted barley seed tea soil drench it looks like this:



I have only see such drastic examples of 'praying' from sprouted seed teas - i notice praying leaves from aloe, kelp, fulvic acid, alfalfa....but sprouted seed teas seem to take it over the top...

I would love to know what exactly is occurring in the soil and the plant for this to occur so quickly, or at all.

My plants tend to start 'praying hard' after a decent budset, 2 to 3 weeks into flower and at that point the leaves never leave that position for the remainder of its life....

Shitty lookin plants never pray - that part is simple lol

The plant pictured started praying during lights off.

 

[unclefishstick]

Fermenting doesn't increase sugar, it reduces it.

i think thats too broad a process to say that true in every case,but i think even in say beer fermentation the yeast are breaking down the carbs which are just fancy sugars when you get down to it i would think that there would be an overall rise in the amount of sugar even after brewing is done...

Yes please, I would love to know why a plant looks like this:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=38993&pictureid=985243View Image

And within an hour of a sprouted barley seed tea soil drench it looks like this:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=38993&pictureid=985244View Image https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=38993&pictureid=985245View Image

I have only see such drastic examples of 'praying' from sprouted seed teas -

I would love to know what exactly is occurring in the soil and the plant for this to occur so quickly, or at all.

My plants tend to start 'praying hard' after a decent budset, 2 to 3 weeks into flower and at that point the leaves never leave that position for the remainder of its life....

Shitty lookin plants never pray - that part is simple lol

The plants pictured started praying during lights off.

i think thats the question right? is it a tropic response? its the "why" it works that i want to know,its pretty clear it does something,why the plants respond in that fashion is the mystery to me...

 

[John Deere]

i think thats too broad a process to say that true in every case,but i think even in say beer fermentation the yeast are breaking down the carbs which are just fancy sugars when you get down to it i would think that there would be an overall rise in the amount of sugar even after brewing is done...

Nope.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermentation

 

[al-k-mist]

I think, from what i remember of zymurgy i learned in the joint (brewing "buck") the yeasts eat the sugars, and it turns to an alcohol, and the gaseous byproduct is CO2..Id like to set up beer brewing with the CO2 exhausted into a sealed growroom.

I just KNOW the plants are telling me they are happy, when theyre the "prayin' leaves".

Does anyone know an organic Poison Oak killer? To make a long story even longer, eye is almost swollen shut, and, sniffle, sniffle, i think we have ACRES of it. (I want to cry...this is fucking farmland..will i have to pull it all by hand?)
I think my average yield is a little over 1/2 oz per gallon of medium. ie 5 gallon pot is between 2.5-3.
Thanks, Im learning more all the time

 

[W89]

wear gloves? and dont touch ya face