the Mexican Landraces Thread

[TheHatman]

These are some photos from my most recent grow.

Ouhh what a nice strain!! Great that u have saved it. Its an important job to save these old distintive genetics. I also saved an pure afghani gene pool (most of varieties today usually have skunk in it, thats a disaster).

I wish I could get some seeds from your mexican one day.


Greets,
The Hatman

 

[Im'One]

I posted this in the R.U.S.T. thread but it should probably go here too. I have some Mexican that I bred from two batches of bagseed in 1993. The mother line is actually from 1989. I would describe it as above average commercial Mexican of that era. It wasn't frosty or aromatic. It definitely wasn't what would have been called "kind bud" back then, but it had a really pleasant high with no ceiling. I had made seeds from that line because it was better than any of the other Mexican I had grown. But I continued to sprout bagseed and was basically playing bagseed survivor against the '89 for the next few years.

The father line was a single plant I got in 1992. A friend of mine gave me some seed that came from brick weed that was way stronger than normal brick. The male had an aroma even as a seedling, It was the only Mexican brick plant I ever sprouted that had that. In 1993 I crossed that male with my '89 Mexican regular line. The results were good and the '93 Mexican has been my main sativa ever since. That male made the line a lot stronger. It also made the buds much fluffier which makes me think that it is an older strain that predated the addition of indica into Mexican genetics. The '93 Mexican has the classic uplifting, happy, giggly high and trippy visuals - not like mushrooms or acid but it gives everything a shimmery look.

For the last 20 years I have been growing F2s from a batch that I made in 1998. I am still getting 80% to 90% germination on those. I also have about 20 of the original F1s left. I strongly suspect they are still viable because all my other old seeds that I have tested are. I always let my seeds dry for a few months and then freeze them during the time of year we have low humidity. It seems to work.

At some point in the future I am going to make more F2. Not this next winter but probably the winter after. I think I am going to do it in two batches so that F3s can be made by crossing cousins rather than siblings. It is my understanding that reduces inbreeding depression. They will be open pollinations so I can make 1000s of seeds. Once the US legalizes federally I will probably try to make them available in some form. I am not really motivated by money so I will probably give them away or sell them for a nominal amount. My main goal has always been to preserve the line until it could go back out into the world.

These are some photos from my most recent grow.

In veg:

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Early flower:

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Day 46 of flower:

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Day 66 of flower:

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I would love to get some of that for an outdoor grow in Oklahoma! Let me know if you want to do a test run!

 

[Pineapple_Punch]

Im back on track after a long break (for my feeling) from Indoor growing.

CBG Oaxaca79S1

It wasn't easy to germ these, i had 8 Seeds to work with. They seem to be from the same stock Dubi have started with, so they are probably 12 years old, so not the freshest anymore, don't know how they were stored. Most simply not had the vigor to brake through their own shell and needed help. Some not had the vigor to grow their tap root and stopped. But this one here seems wants to live.

I'll do crosses with her and also make S2's and look trough them. Very soon i'll start Vermontmans Oaxaca79Skull and select some males to make the first cross.

 

[Pineapple_Punch]

Just a note of clarification, Oaxaca79skull is a hybrid of Oaxacan(Vermontman)XHawaiian Sativa(Federation) backcrossed into itself

Saludos

RC_Colas

Sorry for the very late reply. I know very well that he used the Hawaiian Sativa for outcrossing to bring back vigor. He backcrossed 4 times to the original Oaxaca79Skull. And as i grew quite a few Hawaiian Sativas on her own i wasn't able to find anything what reminds me to Hawaiian Sativa in the refreshed Oaxaca. Personally i didn't like the Hawaiian Sativa that much, the smell taste and yield is great, but i didn't enjoyed the High that much, too cold and made me aggressive after smoking it daily for a while, just one pheno was really nice as it smelled much stronger incense like compared to the others, also the effect was much more enjoyable.
The refreshed Oaxaca79 on the other hand is very very good in my eyes. The smell is very different to the Hawaiian, the high is so much warmer and enjoyable in my eyes. As vermontman grew the same Oaxaca line for a few decades he knows how the high should be like after a good outcrossing and backcrossing, he did a very good job in my eyes, as i really couldn't find anything what reminds me to the Hawaiian. He tried to backcross 6 times, but after the 6 time the line has shown inbreed depressions again, so he stayed with 4 times as far as i know. He tried a few different lines for outcrossing but didn't liked the outcome, the Hawaiian in his eyes was the best candidate as it not effected the overall quality of his original Oaxacan.

A quote by Vermontman

"In 2009 my Oacaxan Gold strain started to suffer from inbreeding depression. Not in lack of potency or yield, but all plants just seem to succumb to blight like condition that struck every plant as soon as plant began to flower though the plants would finish and produce viable seed they just looked like hell.
It was time for desperate measures, so a mate had to be chosen for the first selection but which one? So I started with Greenhouse seeds Durban. Plants grew strong, flowering time was similar and bud size as about the same size as the original pure Oaxacan. The problem was the Durban altered the flavor and fragrance which leaned to much on the sweeter side, this just wouldn't do so I scrapped that line. Then I tried crossing with White Widow, again the f1's where just to altered though they were beautiful with a great Vics Vaporub scent they developed Hermie issues, strike two! So then I tried crossing my Oaxacan to Burmese from VISC but the potency seem to slide, strike three. Then I tried crossing my Oaxacan to Federation Hawaiian Sativa a very stable IBL, and BINGO! The F1's looked for all intents like the original Oaxacan, but with increased vigor! I backcrossed males back six times to the original Oaxcan line before seeing tell tale signs of depression."

One more quote from a other forum.

"Thank you Greytail
No I have been line breeding most of that time, selecting out favorite traits, But unfortunately not having fields of the same genetics for biodiversity I did have to outcross my Oaxacan because it started to suffer from inbreeding depression, by displaying slower stunted growth and the strain became extreemly prone to blight, though stayed very potent And that it was out of necessity, But the outcross dad was not picked without a lot of consideration. Trying to keep it sativa I first years ago outcrossed it to Durban But I was not satisfied with the results taking on to many of the traits of Durban so I trashed that project. Then about 5 years ago I outcrossed best females to Feds Hawian Sativa an inbred line one of my top three The first outcross was amazing retaining most of the Oaxacan traits but instilling vigor, I then bacrossed four consectutive years back to pure Oaxacan And the line is running as good as it gets with not a hint of the cross being displayed. I am very satisfied with how homogenous she is now and for all intents just like the original."

 

[Sunshineinabag]

I have alot of QUARANTINE READING to do heh? let me find out vermontman is an ex pat

 

[Pineapple_Punch]

I have alot of QUARANTINE READING to do heh? let me find out vermontman is an ex pat

Hmm, don't know exactly what you mean, but he isn't a expat. He is of german origins but moved with his parents to the US in the early 50's after WW2 as far as i know. He sadly not speaks german anymore, so he is a native english speaker. Even some of his quotes or posts maybe are not written in perfect grammar, he can do write perfectly if he want im sure. But me as a german non native english speaker are not in the position to judge his writing.

So he is in end of his 60's or maybe even turned 70 not that long ago. He was a Orchid breeder with his own business before he retired some years ago.

Some years ago i asked him if he maybe have some Seeds for me, he have send me a collection of Sativas, Fed. Hawaiian Sativa included. He asked me if i can do him a favor, he wanted a Potatoe strain which he couldn't find in the US to grow them in Vermont were the weather is a bit rough and most Potatoe strains have to fight with Potatoe blight. So i have send him some Sarpo Mira seed potatoes to the US, he was very happy that they arrived, and in return he entrusted me with his Oaxacan line. One hand washes the other. Im happy to have this Oaxaca in my little collection, as i find it very special and unique. Im pretty sure it could be a nice parent to mate with CBG Oaxaca79S1. Maybe i have to go through some S2's to find better plants which are stable, don't know how the one S1 plant i have will turn out and if it's stable, probably not.

 

[Greasy Glands]

18 Week Organic Acapulco Gold. The seeds were originally acquired from LiquidKid. She's my holy grail in 17 years of enjoying Cannabis. Absolutely stellar Euphoric/Uplifting/Day brightening effects with a woody flavour. Aromas of Musk/Cedar/Incense and Vanilla. Just an exquisite smoke in my opinion

 

[troutman]

^^^ I have 25 of those Acapulco Gold seeds on standby.

 

[ahortator]

18 Week Organic Acapulco Gold. The seeds were originally acquired from LiquidKid. She's my holy grail in 17 years of enjoying Cannabis. Absolutely stellar Euphoric/Uplifting/Day brightening effects with a woody flavour. Aromas of Musk/Cedar/Incense and Vanilla. Just an exquisite smoke in my opinion

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Hi. As far as I know Bodhi's AG is actually from Liquid_kid06. But most growers say it is not specially powerful.

Is you AG line directly from Liquid_kid?

 

[Greasy Glands]

Hi. As far as I know Bodhi's AG is actually from Liquid_kid06. But most growers say it is not specially powerful.

Is you AG line directly from Liquid_kid?

This was not culitvated by me, I was just extremely fortunate to be allowed the opportunity to aquire some. Im not 100% certain that the cultivator got them directly but ive seen a comment from the cultivator of these flowers stating it is from LiquidKid. I suppose thats a matter of opinion by each consumer...I feel like it has stellar effects from 1-2 full water hits but i know most smokers probably wouldnt find it very punchy at all compared to most poly hybrids but for me its an absolutely wonderful effect

 

[Greasy Glands]

^^^ I have 25 of those Acapulco Gold seeds on standby.

Killer Acquisition Troutman!!

 

[troutman]

Killer Acquisition Troutman!!

I also have Highland Guerrero, Oaxacan Gold and Vintage Mexican (aka V-Mex) all from Cryptic Labs.

So I have 4 pure Mexicans to test out.

 

[Greasy Glands]

I also have Highland Guerrero, Oaxacan Gold and Vintage Mexican (aka V-Mex) all from Cryptic Labs.

So I have 4 pure Mexicans to test out.

Thats an amazing line up to run out Troutman. Have you cultivated any of the Acapulco Gold's? Guerrero & Oaxacan Gold would be a treat to see grown out

 

[troutman]

Thats an amazing line up to run out Troutman. Have you cultivated any of the Acapulco Gold's? Guerrero & Oaxacan Gold would be a treat to see grown out

Haven't grow any yet. Been busy growing other things.

 

[Dawn Patrol]

BOEL Oaxacan - lots of different phenos in here

 

[Dawn Patrol]

More Oaxacan

More Oaxacan

 

[Greasy Glands]

Absolutely Gorgeous Work Dawn Patrol! Hows the head on those phenos if you didnt mind sharing?

 

[willydread]

BOEL Oaxacan - lots of different phenos in here

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Beautiful plants! How long is flowering? Did you find hermie?

 

[ahortator]

This was not culitvated by me, I was just extremely fortunate to be allowed the opportunity to aquire some. Im not 100% certain that the cultivator got them directly but ive seen a comment from the cultivator of these flowers stating it is from LiquidKid. I suppose thats a matter of opinion by each consumer...I feel like it has stellar effects from 1-2 full water hits but i know most smokers probably wouldnt find it very punchy at all compared to most poly hybrids but for me its an absolutely wonderful effect

As far as It is a pure sativa and not extremely weak, it must be good. Even if they are not the most powerfull weed in the world. Here you have some light about the Bodhi/Nierika AG. Which seems to came from Liquid Kid too.

I'd rather call it Liquid Kid's Acapulco as a matter of respect... Bodhi, after all, simply reproduced a strain he received from someone else and is releasing it to the public. In a similar way, ACE is just getting a piece of the cake and making the most of the chance to redistribute a big named cultivar.

But credit goes to Liquid_kid06, who sourced and preserved the strain in 2010 and passed it along, as far as I know, his thread can still be found at the Canna Cabana. Gotta give credit when credit is due, as often originators get lost in translation within this big game of egos and money.

Preserving the original and true story behind every genetics is just as important as preserving the seeds themselves IMHO, otherwise it's just random seeds... without this people, no one else will be growing those nowadays and we wouldn't be able to document a piece of history.

Vibes.

He didn't get the AG from a trip but from someone else, but it's a different line than the one Snow was working with. Liquid Kid sourced and reproduced the strain like I've said, from the 2 only plants that germinated in 2010 out of the 5 seeds he received (he posted that on an invitation-only forum). No background info on the strain, only a reference about getting it from down the south. It was just an old grow log with pics that are no longer online. Jammaster received seeds and did another repro in 2010. I know for a fact that Bodhi was a member on that forum too and he received the seeds from Greywolf via Liquid Kid and reproduced the stock.

What he definitely sourced from a trip was the Zipolite, I've posted some of his pics on the Zipolite thread, he sourced that from the beach like some people said, from a very touristy and common surf destination. It was the only strain he brought from that 2010 collection trip after he lost all of them. Buds normally came from the Oaxacan mountains nearby, qualities differ depending on stocks though:

this is a great thread...

i dont get alot of time these days to surf the forums..

but its a real treat when i do, so much great info and sharing...

***mustafunk is absolutley correct.... the ag is from liquid kid who got them from his mentor greywolf. ive had to tip toe around the subject for a bit because i was not sure liquid kid wanted to be revealed, but i got some confirmation its ok to share the info. most of the full grows of the ag are on two private sites that has also made things harder to divulge. the ag is a vintage line that greywolf obtained long ago, its a creative sativa that lends itself to music and merrymaking, its a 14-16 weeker, and is semi stable indoors... a friend really wanted to grow some ag and i offered him mine under the promise to make more so everyone could enjoy them, the nierika freebies are those seeds......

the zipolite was from an oaxaca trip around 8 years ago, ive grown her seeds on and off since then. its mostly an electric commercial hybrid with a whole range of phenos, 8-12 weeks, with some really special sativas hidden in the line. aromas range from cedar to tropical fruits and citrus. my favorite smoke from that trip was a classic mexican sativa spear from mazunte but it was lost in a mishap.

 

[Dawn Patrol]

Absolutely Gorgeous Work Dawn Patrol! Hows the head on those phenos if you didnt mind sharing?

Pics were taken at 70 days, gonna let the majority go to 80. They are jar curing now, no smoke tests for a bit. When I grew them last time most phenos were quite nice, no raciness and some had a detectable body effect in addition to the head high.

Beautiful plants! How long is flowering? Did you find hermie?

No hermies in this batch, under the sun most phenos are very nice at 75 days. Indoors I imagine you could let them go as long as 90 days if you wanted to.

The day count is just a guide to me, I usually take macro shots of the flowers about two weeks before I'm thinking about harvesting. It's much easier to enlarge a photo on a screen than it is to make a judgement through a loupe outside.