the Mexican Landraces Thread

[ahortator]

hi friends!
Hi RC_Colas how are you bro?
Copalita it was a truly oaxacan pure strain, I grew at that time 6 plants to test, unfortunately I'd lost the most of my old photos and I just posting the few that still remained.
well my friends, I'm gonna post some pictures of the truly mexican strain called "popo oro" I want to make clear that is NOT my photos, this photos is from ald mexican friend of mine, I met him into another forum a long long time ago, he's unpload this wonderful images of a pure mexican strain, obviously I ask for seeds but unfortunately no longer the seeds available and I lost the contact with him.
The strain grew near to volcano "popocatepetl" near a village called "tetela del volcano" my friend get the buds there and he ask where the buds came from and the answer was from the same village as well.
hope you enjoy the photos as I always do.
cheers
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Hello. A friend from the State of Puebla, not far from Popocatepetl volcano, gave me his permission to show here some photos of his plants. He told me nothing about fancy strain names. I presume they could be related with the so called Popo Gold (Popo Oro, in Spanish) grown time ago near the Popocatepetl slopes.

 

[Im'One]

Pineapple,

That is definitely a keeper. Now you gotta grow it out and be amazed!

On the subject of landraces, I sure wish I could find some Michoacan that is for real. There has to be someone who held seed when the paraquat was being sprayed. Every time I look the strains I find are hybrid with something. I smoked some in the '60s and it was the most psychedelic stuff I have ever had.

I bought some chapita de michoacan from cbg, probably hybrid. I would like to try swami's michoacan.

 

[grayeyes]

Swami's stuff is hybrid but you have to read really close.

 

[ikinokori]

i have an extremely hard time finding authentic mexican landraces on the market. I have found a few thai landrace, colombian, zamal, lao, philippine, vietnam, lots of african and even a real oldschool jamaican landrace and so on... but mexican, wow, i have looked everywhere and found close to nothing... what happenned ? Is there something wrong with mexican seeds ? I keep hearing about those social, funny and light effects of the old mexican strains that keeps you happy and giggly so i would love to run a landrace mexican in my next grow, but i could not manage to find any of the classic mexican strain..



The only thing i found was a few old packs of one that is called "Jarilla de Sinaloa" from Cannabiogen (if anyone know this strain and how it compares, i would love to hear more !). I have contacted Sinaloa and he said he did not introduce any indica in it and kept as is for more than 20 years and the shorter flowering time (12-14 weeks) was due to selection, so it may be landrace, but it is really the only thing i have found and it is pretty much not well known so i dont know how it compares to the "classic" mexican strains...


Also, i have seen references that bodhi have them, but i dont know where i can purchase it ? I see a lot of references that bodhi sells landrace , yet i have not managed to find any seedbank or place selling anything landrace from bodhi, only hybrids

 

[BobMarley99]

Try the Primera Dama by Original Delicatessen. It looks legit.

 

[Aphilas]

Nothing wrong with Mexican seeds, quite the contrary seems like most rate the best Mexicans very high. From what i've read seems that the paraquat poisoning, which started already in early 1970s and in the same time cartels starting to cross their NLDs with BLDs for commercial purposes wiped out most of the landraces. And the people who still had them went underground and kept them in small circles and families and were hard to obtain by outsiders.



Nowadays looks like the few real NLD Mexicans are in the hands of preservationists or other private people and are not ending up in any seedbanks or any type of commercial use. Only shared with likeminded people. Snowhigh also had some Mexicans but those were very expensive and im not sure if there's any available anymore.



If only searching for Mexican effects Ace Honduras has been described as having the old time Mexican high. Purple Satellite could also be a good candidate for finding those highs if you look for Oaxacan dominants.

 

[Breadwizard]

I'm currently running "first lady" from original delicatessen, which is apparently an old Mexican line worked by Robert C. Clarke. They are fem seeds, so I'll have to outcross to preserve the genetics, but something to look into.

Mine are about 45 days into flower, and are sweet citrus / pine smelling.

 

[yesum]

The really good Mexican was always rare, even 1970. I will warn you away from Bodhi Acapulco Gold, unless low thc strains can ring your bell.

Gonna start the Snow lines next: Torreon, Zacatecas, mystery Mexican. These were selected recently to my knowledge. Swami has a Michoacan but that was selected in 2016 so no idea if it holds the old magic in it. Swami has a old Guerrero which I grew, it is the old time up and happy high, but missing some psychedelia for me at least.

On the ACE Honduras, I smoked it again recently and got a rather heavy high. I think it was the Colombian pheno though. I gave that away as it was not want I want.

Snow has been the best at getting the old time highs. Jarilla is good and reminds me of Snow's Acapulco Gold in structure and high. The old time Acapulco Gold was supposed to be killer, not what I am experiencing with the AG lines I have grown out. They are fairly mild in effect and somewhat trippy, but not a mind blower as some have reported of the old type.

centr1fuge is supposed to have some of that old time mind warp smoke. One day we might get to test it out. The old AG people got, was likely several strains, as people would change the name to fit what sold best. But there was a strain called AG that was killer, that is what some reliable sources have said.

First Lady was good, just ran one plant. Clear up high. Looks a bit modern though, frosty and no narrow leaves. Not sure what it is really.

Eskobar had Oaxacan and Jalisco. I ran both and got some good highs from them. They were recently gotten from Mexico so not real old lines. Not quite trippy enough for me but good.

 

[ikinokori]

wow, thank you very much for your answers everyone. It made me realize a lot of things. I think i was way over my head thinking i could get those legendary lost strains in a heartbeat, and that i have been extremely lucky with everything i have found so far. Some people helped me, and i have thanked them a lot, but i think i can be even more appreciative with the kindness of those people.



I really love landrace, they have something special ( maybe just in my mind as some would say), but they carry such a huge part of history wih them, for example in my current grow that i logged here, i have grown amongst others the durban landrace from cannabiogen, and it was extremely hungry for calmag. I kept asking if that was normal, people even asked me if my ph was correct because that was not normal, but it was clearly something else because on my 12 plants, the durban all were the only one that kept asking me for constant calmag, more than i have ever seen (from my limited knowledge). Weeks later, i came accross this mention about Durban history :"[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](18000 years ago) During this time, the features we know today as the Bluff and Berea, were formed from sand dunes which became dune, or aeolianite rock, through a process of lithification. This happened when rainwater percolated through the sand, dissolving calcium carbonate shell fragments which then dried into a type of cement and stuck the sand particles together. The red sand, found all over Durban, also known as Berea-type sand, is the result of the weathering and oxidation of dune rock."[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This completely fascinated me. The plant is almost like a book telling the history of durban. Each plant carries the same history with them, from their homeland, and in this world were everything gets mixd and lost, that is very heartwarming to see something so original to my eyes.
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]My goal is to be able to preserve those old strains, because even if i know i am not that good at growing or the most proper candidate for it, as i have said a few times, the more hands have those strains, the better the chance it will end up in the right hands that will make them comeback to their native land the day the overhybridification and uniformisation of everything will stop. I was sad as i thought mexican strains were lost , because i have a friend who love it very much and say its his favorite cannabis ever, so [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]the fact there are still people having it warmed me and i will feel less bad about not finding them. [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] I will still keep an eye on that matter and look into snow releases (i could not find any on jbcseeds), and in any case[/FONT] i [/FONT]have a few packs of jarilla, so i will run it, it seems like an excellent strain indeed, sinaloa seemed to be very nice and responded me fast and honestly so i cant wait to see them growing, which ill be in my next grow.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]thank you everyone for your help. I am currently doing the Honduras, and it is finishing as we are talking ( maybe a few weeks left). I cant wait to see what she has to offer. It was an incredible plant that was huge and so vigorous, very beautiful and her smell is unique
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[ahortator]

Hi. Two more pics from the State of Puebla, in Mexico.

 

[romanoweed]

wohoo ahortator, i could imagine that strain has a substencial effect. Nearly has a dark blue shine to it, wow. I have other taste, but wow .. the Honduras from ace has Kind of similar darkish Color, but goes into red.. can you tell was it strong? or not yours..?

 

[willydread]

In my little experience with Honduras, I found green pheno to be better, both as an effect and as a flavor.
The purple one was more productive, more "beautiful" at the sight, but the taste was a bit "fat" and the effect was less joyful and electric for me ...

 

[willydread]

Few mexican leaf(mexican bagseeds x Jarilla)

 

[Som 2]

I posted this in the R.U.S.T. thread but it should probably go here too. I have some Mexican that I bred from two batches of bagseed in 1993. The mother line is actually from 1989. I would describe it as above average commercial Mexican of that era. It wasn't frosty or aromatic. It definitely wasn't what would have been called "kind bud" back then, but it had a really pleasant high with no ceiling. I had made seeds from that line because it was better than any of the other Mexican I had grown. But I continued to sprout bagseed and was basically playing bagseed survivor against the '89 for the next few years.

The father line was a single plant I got in 1992. A friend of mine gave me some seed that came from brick weed that was way stronger than normal brick. The male had an aroma even as a seedling, It was the only Mexican brick plant I ever sprouted that had that. In 1993 I crossed that male with my '89 Mexican regular line. The results were good and the '93 Mexican has been my main sativa ever since. That male made the line a lot stronger. It also made the buds much fluffier which makes me think that it is an older strain that predated the addition of indica into Mexican genetics. The '93 Mexican has the classic uplifting, happy, giggly high and trippy visuals - not like mushrooms or acid but it gives everything a shimmery look.

For the last 20 years I have been growing F2s from a batch that I made in 1998. I am still getting 80% to 90% germination on those. I also have about 20 of the original F1s left. I strongly suspect they are still viable because all my other old seeds that I have tested are. I always let my seeds dry for a few months and then freeze them during the time of year we have low humidity. It seems to work.

At some point in the future I am going to make more F2. Not this next winter but probably the winter after. I think I am going to do it in two batches so that F3s can be made by crossing cousins rather than siblings. It is my understanding that reduces inbreeding depression. They will be open pollinations so I can make 1000s of seeds. Once the US legalizes federally I will probably try to make them available in some form. I am not really motivated by money so I will probably give them away or sell them for a nominal amount. My main goal has always been to preserve the line until it could go back out into the world.

These are some photos from my most recent grow.

In veg:

Early flower:

Day 46 of flower:

Day 66 of flower:

 

[herbgreen]

^^^Gotta Love a Sativa like that!

 

[Som 2]

The classic Mexican lines have a look to them that is unmistakable. I think it is all in the taper of the leaves. I love the way Mexican cannabis looks.

 

[GRoot]

@Som2 how many weeks does it take her in flower to finish?

 

[Som 2]

I find it has the best high at 11 or 12 weeks. If it goes past that it loses its trippiness and becomes heavier. You pretty much have to kill it for it to be done at that point though. So that would be a very early harvest, it is still throwing out white pistils pretty enthusiastically at that point. If you follow modern harvest protocol it can go 14+ weeks.

 

[ahortator]

wohoo ahortator, i could imagine that strain has a substencial effect. Nearly has a dark blue shine to it, wow. I have other taste, but wow .. the Honduras from ace has Kind of similar darkish Color, but goes into red.. can you tell was it strong? or not yours..?

Hi. It is not mine and it is far from my home, so I cannot tell from first hand. But I have been told by the grower it is very good. I was shocked to see he harvested the plants too much early by our common standards, but he told me that's right.

 

[Buddistrose]

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Heres a few photos of some nugs grown under 400w mh veg and hps flwr i will also post some of them that i have run outside. I also caught a lil leak so i let it go and let 8 females self pollinate and hit each other for a mix of genes. I will post some shots of the new gen. By looking at the shape of the buds the fluffyness. I was told it was white rhino. I personally dont think it is. As the plant that was revesered was tall with the same shape as these i am running everything now untopped for relavence. If someone could help it is a sweet pasionfruity flavour that is there slighty in the smoke. Covered in oranve hairs takin early white hairs i havnt worked out a perfect flwring time as im finding it harder with these to a thai plant on finding the spot