the Mexican Landraces Thread

[satva]

Hey yesum, my favorite today is Punto Rojo. I've been smoking Punto Rojo exclusively for the past year. I spent most of the 1970's high on Colombian, what I grew, and that homegrown Oaxacan. If money was not a problem - Thai Sticks were nice.

Copalita Oaxacan has a nice feel good high, but its hard for me to grow. That said, Copalita Oaxacan is not the Highland Oaxacan Gold that DJ Short paid $120 / ounce back in the 1970's.

Colorado stores are selling concentrate for $60 a gram, hehehe...I'll never know what that is about. If you dry sift Punto Rojo it gets interesting very fast!

My favorite cannabis from the 1970's was Maui Wowie, bright orange/red like a good Mexican Red Hair. I grew Maui Wowie for a few years and smoked it for many more. Some speculate, early 1970's Maui Wowie was Mexican Red Hair.

Second favorite the Colombian varieties that came thru NYC in late 1960's early 1970's. My best friend in college was a small player $3 - $4 gram. He liked the strongest of the strong dark brown - black sticky Colombian. I liked Colombian Gold.

Third - Thai Stick - nuff said.

Fourth - most any conniosseur Mexician Haze. Some flower in 9 weeks and some flower in + 16 weeks. We smoked homegrown Oaxacan for 10 years, so I must have like that. 1971 Acapulco Gold was memorable, 1976 Highland Oaxacan Gold was memorable.

I think your on the right track with First Lady, does First Lady have Red Hair phenotypes? Perhaps the same 1960's Mexican Charlie Garica used in original Destroyer.

 

[yesum]

https://www.icmag.com/ic/attachment...nt.php?attachmentid=378315&stc=1&d=1474068021

Here she is according to the pics on the website that sells it. I just wonder if the HOG or the AG stood out as psychedelic more one than the other. I understand the AG was stronger, so maybe hard to define the trippy ratio between the two eh?

Speaking of Hawaiian, I got a freebie pack of Kahuna Bud x Cherry Bomb with the Guerrero x Panama. Extra seeds of the G x P as well. I threw in a bit of extra money but damn! The Kahuna is a landrace and the Cherry is Maui Waui IBL. Very excited on that.

 

[satva]

Today, I prefer the clear, clean cerebral high found in Colombian Gold or Highland Oaxacan Gold varieties. Colombian being more energetic and stronger and Oaxacan being more heightened sensory awareness and feel good. Acapuclo Gold and Panama Red were stronger, wilder, mind / body altering, more like the psychedelic high from mushrooms, things are spinning around and the world looks different kind of highs.

Now I'll revisit nostalgia. My brother and I are in the backyard trimming huge Oaxacan plants and not so huge Maui Wowie plants into flower tops the size of your forearm. My connoisseur friend calls all excited, hey satva, "You got to meet me at Ralph's house, he's got some killer Thai Stick". Sorry dude, I'm smoking with my brother, I'll have to pass on the Thai Sticks, besides, I'm too high to drive, and even a riding a bicycle seems iffy. Okay I'll drive. You the man, they better be good! They were good, a bit better than what we were smoking. I was all set to buy and ounce of Thai Stick, when I hear $15 / stick the size of my finger. I looked at my brother and he just rolls his eyes. My connoisseur friend bought one or two and off we went.

My brother was pissed about this adventure as he still had this huge pile of Oaxacan to trim. Hey bro, to make it up to you, we'll smoke some Maui Wowie sift. After a few hits of the Maui Wowie sift, he looks at me and says, Is LSD this good? I say no, but LSD is much stronger and keeps you high for 14 hours.

 

[yesum]

^^ Good story. Not to get off the Mexican theme too much, but some Hawaiian I had was real trippy. I assume your Maui was the same or maybe just enjoyable?

 

[satva]

Maui Wowie was both trippy and enjoyable. ColJam is trippy but too intense to be enjoyable.
There is a phenotype of Punto Rojo that has a good balance of trippy and enjoyable. Today, I'm not trying to find a new planet, or get into a different world, in the same way that I and others were in the 1970's.

 

[Highlighter]

Excerpt from Nick Schou's book 'Orange Sunshine' about the Brotherhood of Eternal Love.

"Padilla looked Mexican, so he was going to go to Mexico and score the weed for the trip," Ashbrook says. Padilla's mission:drive south to Guadalajara with Smitty and meet with the man who stood as the source of the marijuana smuggling empire that Brotherhood smugglers like David Hall and "Lyncho" German had been using for years. The enigmatic "Papa" was the biggest marijuana dealer in the rugged and largely lawless mountains along the coast of Sinaloa, where hundreds of hilltop farms produced high-quality weed exclusively for foreign export. Papa's speciality was superfragrant marijuana plants whose tails - colas or colitas in Spanish - packed the most powerful high Mexico had to offer.
"Papa was the man," Ashbrook says. "He had the best weed. He was the first ever who had kilos of colas, the first one to have beautiful hand-laid, fluffy blocks, the first really nice stuff." Ashbrook wasn't alone in his high opinion of Papa's colitas. They were so legendary in the late 1960's and early 1970's that they inspired the first few lines of "Hotel California," the hit song by the Eagles: "On a dark desert highway, cool wind in my hair, warm smell of colitas rising up through the air".

"We just had a big party and started going through the bags, " Ashbrook says. "Nobody had ever seen anything like this. It was all colitas , fresh from the farm, fifty kilos per costal. That was fun, boy, opening those up and pulling those out. It took us a couple of days to divvy it all up."
The Mexican weed we unloaded from the Jafje quickly became famous throughout Maui as "Lightning Bolt." Padilla came up with the name while sitting on the beach in Mexico with Joe Angelini, preparing to load the yacht. "We were taking it down to the beach and hiding it and I pulled a cola out, and held it to the sun and said, 'This looks like a lightning bolt.' That's how it became the Lightning Bolt load. We told everybody about it."

Within a month, so many Lightning Bolt seeds had been thrown out the window or off the porches of various Brotherhood houses in Olinda, Makawao, and Kula that a robust crop of marijuana plants began to spring up like the weeds they were. "It was so fertile all you had to do you just drop a seed and let it rain," Padilla says. When Les Potts first arrived in Maui a few years before the Aafje, he recalls that there wasn't much marijuana growing on the island. "But some people started planting seeds, " he recalls. "A strain that started was called the Kula Crippler." It came from the seeds left over from the pot that the Tohki brothers threw over their shoulders when they were done separating out the various grades to make their hash. "They'd give you bales of that stuff if you could smuggle it out of Afghanistan," he claims.
After the Jafje arrived in Maui, a surfer from Santa Barbara somehow managed to crossbreed a Lightning Bolt plant with a Kula Crippler plant. It wasn't long before acres of the rich farmland near Kula were blooming with the new strain of marijuana plants. As word of the new crossbreed marijuana strain spread throughout the island, hippies began carrying it back to California. Brotherhood smugglers like Fat Bobby and Johnny Gale began shipping the weed to Laguna Beach, first in suitcases and hollowed-out surboards, and then in everything from falsely labeled cans of soup and vegetables to cars and boats and airplanes. Named in honor of the Brotherhood's island utopia, the high-grade pot became a worldwide phenomenon, more famous in some circles than the island itself.
"I guess the Brotherhood served it's purpose by bringing those seeds to Maui," Mundell allows. "It was pretty popular stuff. It was Maui Wowie."

Another version from a BOEL website:

In Mexico, Padilla ran a hacienda for Papa, overseeing the processing and distribution of the pot brought in by local farmers. For more than a year, he skimmed off the best bud and seeds. Meanwhile, he kept alive his dream of sailing to an island.

The dream came true when he and a few associates from the Brotherhood bought a 70-foot yacht in St. Thomas called the Jafje. The Jafje met Padilla in the summer of 1970 in the busy port of Manzanillo. From there, it set sail for Maui.

“It was five guys who had never sailed in their lives,” says Padilla. On board was a ton of the Mexican weed.

The trip should have taken less than two weeks. A month into it, one of the guys onboard, a smuggler with Brotherhood roots named Joe Angeline, noticed the stars weren’t right.

“He said, ‘Eddie, Orion’s belt should be right over our heads.’ But Orion’s belt was way, way south of us. We could barely make it out.”

When confronted, the captain confessed he didn’t know where the hell they were, but had been afraid to tell them. “There’s a hoist that hoists you all the way up to the top of the main mast and we hauled him up there and made him sit there for a day,” says Padilla. “That was funny.”

Eventually, they flagged down a freighter and learned they were more than a 1000 miles off course, dangerously close to the Japanese current. The freighter gave them 300 gallons of fuel and put them back on track to Maui. He’d made it to his island with a load of the finest Mexican marijuana.

“The seeds of that,” Padilla says, “became Maui Wowie.”

http://belhistory.weebly.com/maui.html

 

[shawkmon]

so the mowie wowie was mexican , love me some mexican

 

[Highlighter]

so the mowie wowie was mexican , love me some mexican

Half mexican.

Ligntning Bolt x Kula Crippler (Afghani) which was also brought to the islands by the BOEL.

 

[shawkmon]

would some socalmk and bubba genetics be ghannie?ive got some in seed form. i have mexi super assortment of seeds collected for years. sounds like im have future plans on making the wowie , or doing my best to replicate it, nice thread

 

[mexicani-ar]

Cannabiogen Purple Mexican

Cannabiogen Purple Mexican

Oaxaca pheno! Smells like a very strong lemon peel when you break up the buds , saludos Mexicani-ar

 

[yesum]

Nice mexicani-ar. Looks sativa.

 

[marihuano]

Buenas! Me alegra que aún hay gente que le interese la preservación de nuestras variedades! Un gran abrazo desde México!

 

[elchischas]

Hi folks
some more of my old pictures... this was a from some seeds brought from the south part of Mexico I think this was from puebla...
it was a good smoke but unfortunately the seeds was lost
peace

 

[ahortator]

Hi Elchischas

I think in Puebla there is still some sativa like plants.

This is from 5 months ago in Tehuitzingo:

http://www.pueblaonline.com.mx/2015...-destruye-plantio-de-marihuana-en-tehuitzingo

I have read there was a strain with a bluish tinge grown on the squirts of the Popocatepetl It was called "Popo Gold" or "Popo Oro"

Greetings.

 

[Jhhnn]

Anybody know anything about First Lady from Original Delicatessen?

http://www.aceseeds.org/en/new-strains/firstladyfem.html

 

[satva]

https://www.icmag.com/modules/News/s...=179829&page=5

Primera Dama (First Lady) supposdly worked by Robert Clarke - Here's some rare grow pictures in mid-summer located in the middle of this IcMag thread ~ page 5. Looks medium leaf width (WLD) in mid-summer.

NLD varieties from southern Mexico ~ Guerrero and Oaxaca ~ light my pipe. Hard to beat Cannabiogen's Highland Colombians ~ high ranges from mellow psycedelic to "Oh My Go(o)dness" phenotypes.

Here's a few NLD phenotypes from Copalita Oaxacan.

 

[marihuano]

Que buena cara tiene esa verde limón compa chischas! Como cuantas siembras de esta variedad? Te han salido fenotipos de pistilos rojos o rosas? Salu2 y buenos humos! ^_^

 

[satva]

Todas ellos verde. No pistilos rojos o rosa. Copalita Oaxacan - 4 pheno la cura rojo. No hablo espanol ~ el cuardo.


Copalita Oaxacan -1 South American / Mexican growth structure



Copalita Oaxacan - 4 vinelike growth not the typical South American growth. Wispy flowers and long flowering, predominately 1 finger and 3 finger leaves after mid-flower



Copalita Oaxacan -1 x ColJam ( Colombian Gold x Jamaican Lambsbread) Better flowering structure.

 

[misterD]

Very nice guys!

I don't know how many packs i've buy of these oaxacan ibl, but apparently a bunch lol.

I pop 3 for my next run, gonna be happy this winter to cheer a bit of mexican.

 

[elchischas]

Hi Elchischas

I think in Puebla there is still some sativa like plants.

Hi Ahortador, how you doing bro?
I already saw the video, definately that kind of plants looks pretty sativa to me like the old mex ladys ... try to check the prev page I'd post some photos about a landraces from tetela del volcan town just in the popocatepetl vulcano, in my opinion that lines are related to Oxacan type pretty accurate form...

Anybody know anything about First Lady from Original Delicatessen?

hi jhjhnn
first lady is a pure old mexican heirloom worked by Mario Bellandi the breeder behind of Delicatessen seeds, he got the seeds by Robert Clarke yep! is true no a fairytale... before I left this place for a few years, I've trade that seeds with a good spanish grower, but now I'm still trying to get it again, I'm looking for this guy in many forums but not luck, a photo from him

Que buena cara tiene esa verde limón compa chischas! Como cuantas siembras de esta variedad? Te han salido fenotipos de pistilos rojos o rosas? Salu2 y buenos humos!

Hi marihuano...
its not a verde limon type, I mean I worked with several verde limon lines in the past, all came from Michoacan and Jalisco area, I'd read that some people call verde limon to a very high grade buds mainly in Oaxaca, but here we all called verde limon to old lines from Jalisco and Michoacan as I said

Satva, hi
awesome work and awesome pictures...
I'm planning to work with a old Lumbo line again, from santa martha
and some mexicans as well and copalita definately will be one into my list. I'm planning make a good rep. with every landrace or heirloom and freeze the seeds, make a tousands of seeds, I dont wanna mess it up with every line that are still alive I'm still thinking that better times will come soon.
take care and be safe
Vibes!!