Mexican
Mexican
Here is quote from Snowcap he posted at Cannabiogen Club, in the California Love thread, part of a dialogue with Kaiki and Snow (Snowcap)
"Yes the Mexican cultivars are faster finishing then most equatorial strains but this Oaxaca will have to go into December to finish, its only about half way there. Many of the other Mexican cultivars I've grown have been much faster to mature.
I was told by one of the growers when I went down to Mexico a few years ago that with the Oaxacas and Veracruz strains that a lot of the older farmers will top the plants at every full moon until it starts flowering. That way it branches out more and the really tall strains can be grown and be more manageable.
So far from my travels to Mexico, some of the most trippy, psychedelic smokes was the weed that came from Oaxaca and Veracruz,the Veracruz was very strong.
I hope that the Mexican cultivars of old will return again. So much was lost, many family generations of growing family cannabis lines. I believe a lot of the mythical cannabis lines like Haze were comprised of mainly Mexican lines. Like the Purple Haze phenos, well it could be Colombian purple phenos but from my research and talking to people in the know. Some of the Purple phenos in say Old Timers Haze I believe is actually genetics from Zihuatanejo Purple which seeds were brought to the areas around the Big Sur Mountains which is below Santa Cruz down the coast of California. Some of these seeds were preserved in a cannabis strain line called Delores Purple which was just an incross of the left over seed from the Zihuatanejo Purple. The people responsible for doing this were friends or part of the Brothers of Eternal Love (BEL). So later the Brothers of Eternal Love were growing Delores in Sinaloa to eventually be transported to the states for sale.
The BEL also grew alot of Maui Wowie in Mexico and even transported it to Hawaii to then transport it to the rest of the states for a higher price. This happened to a lot of the Hawaiian import. Hawaii has 2 seasons, a long season and a short season which is about 3 months. So plants will either need to grow for an extend amount of time to finish correctly or hybridized to finish within 3 months. A lot of the Hawaii strains were combinations of Mexican and from some of the new seed coming in from Nepal and Afghanistan from the BEL hash shipments. So strains like Puna Buddar which are more hash plant types were developed.
So what I'm getting at is Hawaii couldn't supply that much smoke for import because it could barely supply itself even before Operation Green Harvest in the 70's. So a lot of the famous Hawaiian cannabis strains that people remember so well was actually good old Mexican cannabis sold as Hawaiian.
Coincidentally the strain called Big Sur Holy Weed had Zacatecas Purple or Torreon Violet in its genetics. So the Delores Purple could have also been what people were calling now, Zacatecas Purple or Torreon Violet. Basically to change a name and have a fancy story to go with the strain to improve sales. Though growing older lines and landraces, purple genetic phenos are quite common. When a lot of these old strains came over to the United States in the 30's to the 1950's, people would drive to family gardens in multiple Mexican States. who had been growing a certain family cannabis line for many generations. Obviously family strains were prized for the high quality and people would make the drive to more distant mountain locations to bring back the quality smoke. Because back then quality was a priority, not look and smell which is prevalent today.
I even theorize that cannabis may have originated in the Americas or Africa due to archaeological evidence from Peruvian mummies, to petroglyphs on ancestral Mexican Pyramids to ceremonial centers which date back to a time before the Egyptian Pyramids were built or being built roughly at the same time. There is plant evidence in Belize which dates back to 13000 BC of cultivation of plants which are supposedly from certain valleys in India. Also certain plants have been found in another Indian valley which has been grown by the indigenous people which is definitely from the Americas. It is known that cannabis is not indigenous to India but could have come from Chinese Turkestan or even to areas of what comprises of Kazakhstan along the old silk road. The point is that human communication, travel and trade has been done in far antiquity. So just because the consensus of people in Europe didn't believe that there was land beyond the Atlantic Ocean doesn't mean that people have or had been traveling there and back.
This world and its people are far older than we give credit to our past civilizations which I believe cannabis was a part of. It would have been one of the first things gathered from the hunter and gather times. The high potency vitamins and omega fatty acids in cannabis seeds would have made us smarter nutritionally and would have allowed more complex thought processes. Another problem in cannabis is classifying it, many botanist tried to place cannabis in a certain family so it was placed in the nettle family because it is quite different then most plants. I believe it to be a plant older than are current period and could have come about during the time of dinosaurs. Many things about plants, the senses are the not quite thoroughly known. Many of the terpenes some which can be sensed and others as a defense mechanism are produced by plants and why and how this is done is not known to a large degree. Its quite possible that cannabis senses humans and has changed its genetic make up to adapt to our anatomy, to further its survival. Or.. Aliens could have given it to us many years ago".
Snow
SnowCap
Mexican
Here is quote from Snowcap he posted at Cannabiogen Club, in the California Love thread, part of a dialogue with Kaiki and Snow (Snowcap)
"Yes the Mexican cultivars are faster finishing then most equatorial strains but this Oaxaca will have to go into December to finish, its only about half way there. Many of the other Mexican cultivars I've grown have been much faster to mature.
I was told by one of the growers when I went down to Mexico a few years ago that with the Oaxacas and Veracruz strains that a lot of the older farmers will top the plants at every full moon until it starts flowering. That way it branches out more and the really tall strains can be grown and be more manageable.
So far from my travels to Mexico, some of the most trippy, psychedelic smokes was the weed that came from Oaxaca and Veracruz,the Veracruz was very strong.
I hope that the Mexican cultivars of old will return again. So much was lost, many family generations of growing family cannabis lines. I believe a lot of the mythical cannabis lines like Haze were comprised of mainly Mexican lines. Like the Purple Haze phenos, well it could be Colombian purple phenos but from my research and talking to people in the know. Some of the Purple phenos in say Old Timers Haze I believe is actually genetics from Zihuatanejo Purple which seeds were brought to the areas around the Big Sur Mountains which is below Santa Cruz down the coast of California. Some of these seeds were preserved in a cannabis strain line called Delores Purple which was just an incross of the left over seed from the Zihuatanejo Purple. The people responsible for doing this were friends or part of the Brothers of Eternal Love (BEL). So later the Brothers of Eternal Love were growing Delores in Sinaloa to eventually be transported to the states for sale.
The BEL also grew alot of Maui Wowie in Mexico and even transported it to Hawaii to then transport it to the rest of the states for a higher price. This happened to a lot of the Hawaiian import. Hawaii has 2 seasons, a long season and a short season which is about 3 months. So plants will either need to grow for an extend amount of time to finish correctly or hybridized to finish within 3 months. A lot of the Hawaii strains were combinations of Mexican and from some of the new seed coming in from Nepal and Afghanistan from the BEL hash shipments. So strains like Puna Buddar which are more hash plant types were developed.
So what I'm getting at is Hawaii couldn't supply that much smoke for import because it could barely supply itself even before Operation Green Harvest in the 70's. So a lot of the famous Hawaiian cannabis strains that people remember so well was actually good old Mexican cannabis sold as Hawaiian.
Coincidentally the strain called Big Sur Holy Weed had Zacatecas Purple or Torreon Violet in its genetics. So the Delores Purple could have also been what people were calling now, Zacatecas Purple or Torreon Violet. Basically to change a name and have a fancy story to go with the strain to improve sales. Though growing older lines and landraces, purple genetic phenos are quite common. When a lot of these old strains came over to the United States in the 30's to the 1950's, people would drive to family gardens in multiple Mexican States. who had been growing a certain family cannabis line for many generations. Obviously family strains were prized for the high quality and people would make the drive to more distant mountain locations to bring back the quality smoke. Because back then quality was a priority, not look and smell which is prevalent today.
I even theorize that cannabis may have originated in the Americas or Africa due to archaeological evidence from Peruvian mummies, to petroglyphs on ancestral Mexican Pyramids to ceremonial centers which date back to a time before the Egyptian Pyramids were built or being built roughly at the same time. There is plant evidence in Belize which dates back to 13000 BC of cultivation of plants which are supposedly from certain valleys in India. Also certain plants have been found in another Indian valley which has been grown by the indigenous people which is definitely from the Americas. It is known that cannabis is not indigenous to India but could have come from Chinese Turkestan or even to areas of what comprises of Kazakhstan along the old silk road. The point is that human communication, travel and trade has been done in far antiquity. So just because the consensus of people in Europe didn't believe that there was land beyond the Atlantic Ocean doesn't mean that people have or had been traveling there and back.
This world and its people are far older than we give credit to our past civilizations which I believe cannabis was a part of. It would have been one of the first things gathered from the hunter and gather times. The high potency vitamins and omega fatty acids in cannabis seeds would have made us smarter nutritionally and would have allowed more complex thought processes. Another problem in cannabis is classifying it, many botanist tried to place cannabis in a certain family so it was placed in the nettle family because it is quite different then most plants. I believe it to be a plant older than are current period and could have come about during the time of dinosaurs. Many things about plants, the senses are the not quite thoroughly known. Many of the terpenes some which can be sensed and others as a defense mechanism are produced by plants and why and how this is done is not known to a large degree. Its quite possible that cannabis senses humans and has changed its genetic make up to adapt to our anatomy, to further its survival. Or.. Aliens could have given it to us many years ago".
Snow
SnowCap
