resinscientist
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the new growth is very light green tho, very very light green
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resinscientist
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1.4-1.5 ok thanks you've been very helpful RicoT!
RicoT
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You're fine and def will not burn anything at 1.3- 1.4 EC including 250ppm tap.. Sounds exactly like my water at 250ppm.. And in veg I feed at LEAST over 1 EC for even tiny plants..
And to avoid buildup you said you're using drip clean so with a little runoff I wouldn't be too paranoid.. Have you tested the runoff EC?
And to avoid buildup you said you're using drip clean so with a little runoff I wouldn't be too paranoid.. Have you tested the runoff EC?
resinscientist
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yes, my run off ec when i was feeding .9ec was coming out at 1.1 ec... so in .9 out 1.1
resinscientist
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because it (ec) was higher coming out .. i thot they were being fed too much .. thus me not wanting to increase ec
Don't use new growth to judge the health of your plant.
I'd disagree slightly with Rico.. If the plant is green keep it green. I don't push nutes til I see curl, I wait til I see the bottom leaves pale... When you know your feeds even that shouldn't happen. Work with 1.0ec maxigrow as your base in veg then when you move into flower keep on that for the first week, then cut them 50/50, and adjust them from there depending on whether you think they need more or less nitrogen.
resinscientist
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so you think 1.5 ec total is still too high ? 1.0ec is that including my tap water which is .5ec?? or is that on top of my tap water?
I go 0.8 on top of my water. So that'd put you on 1.3
Start on 1.2 total and work from there. You won't go far wrong.
It's all about the NPK ratios of your feed. Once you get a grip on what works, nothing else matters, not the brand name or anything. It just happens that the maxi system gives you really good ability to adjust those NPK numbers and still maintain a great ratio for flowering or veg and everything in between.
So, in flower and in your situation with your pale lower leaves, next time you bring in your flower feed (after say week 2) go from 0.5 tap, up to 0.8 with the maxi grow, then to 1.2 - 1.3 with the maxibloom. Ya dig?
Start on 1.2 total and work from there. You won't go far wrong.
It's all about the NPK ratios of your feed. Once you get a grip on what works, nothing else matters, not the brand name or anything. It just happens that the maxi system gives you really good ability to adjust those NPK numbers and still maintain a great ratio for flowering or veg and everything in between.
So, in flower and in your situation with your pale lower leaves, next time you bring in your flower feed (after say week 2) go from 0.5 tap, up to 0.8 with the maxi grow, then to 1.2 - 1.3 with the maxibloom. Ya dig?
RicoT
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His tap is .5 EC to start. He said his bottom leaves are totally yellow/paled and fall right off the plant.. Indicative of hungry plants, old growth dying and relocating nutes to new growth, which is also looking light now(but like you said doesn't mean as much and I agree as a few of my faster stretchers show light new tops)…
Start at 1.3-4 and report back in a few days.
13 strains, 16 phenos.. 5/10 micro/bloom.. All equally green and happy before starting flower a few days ago.. Short, Big droopy leaf GSC on the left is a little over-ferted even, so they'll all be getting only water next.. But I'm in and soil it's much different than coco, and you wanna find a consistent, and lower EC to KEEP them at(no feed/water/feed like soil)
There's no way this guy's plants could survive on .4(if that) of nutes if he was using RO opposed to his 250ppm tap, which starts him at .5 EC.. Mine is similar but I believe is .4
Start at 1.3-4 and report back in a few days.
13 strains, 16 phenos.. 5/10 micro/bloom.. All equally green and happy before starting flower a few days ago.. Short, Big droopy leaf GSC on the left is a little over-ferted even, so they'll all be getting only water next.. But I'm in and soil it's much different than coco, and you wanna find a consistent, and lower EC to KEEP them at(no feed/water/feed like soil)
There's no way this guy's plants could survive on .4(if that) of nutes if he was using RO opposed to his 250ppm tap, which starts him at .5 EC.. Mine is similar but I believe is .4
RicoT
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An example of what I meant by looking for dark/too green, indicating to back off EC a bit and sit there..
resinscientist
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ok ill let you guys know in a few days how it goes , thanks again!
Same here... Every strain gets 1.0ec total (tap is 0.2)
Bish
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They're on 1.0 ec right throughout, from seedling til flower. Maybe 1.2 at most
I was making a general point of not pushing til you see curl or burn, which a lot of people do. Especially in flower it's better to stay on teh cautious side with the nutes.
Bish
Bash
Bosh
They're on 1.0 ec right throughout, from seedling til flower. Maybe 1.2 at most
I was making a general point of not pushing til you see curl or burn, which a lot of people do. Especially in flower it's better to stay on teh cautious side with the nutes.
resinscientist
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RicoT, that last pic you posted of the really dark green leaves...mine are no where near that green ...WAY lighter green .. yours look amazing ! hopefully in a week or so my baby will be looking closer to that.. nice plants man.
RicoT
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Sounds about perfect to me… Although, I was attempting to save you another purchase by trying to up the MB alone first.
That's too green, and why I posted that pic. You don't wanna get to that point, but right to it, and then back off a bit..
resinscientist
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sounds good! are you in coco and perlite or peat RicoT??
RicoT
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Sounds like we're suggesting the exact same strength then.
But with a little higher EC tap on our end
Edit for rs: peat/perlite/compost… Going to coco after these two donuts finish.. Tired of fucking guaranteed pests from store.
resinscientist
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def sounds that way haha thanks again guys! cant wait , wish i could fast forward a week and see my babies looking better
Yep, should be close to the money on that. Even in flower, the ratios change, strength doesn't.
Some strains you'll find (like kushes) need less nitrogen. That's the thing to look out for. In that case just lower the base feed, or in this case the maxigrow, to make it a low N feed.
Most other commercial hybrids just need different strengths of any feed.
papaduc what kind of range do you observe with gpw on that regimen. i ve seen your pics and believe you mentioned it before but maybe it would put some operspective. i think some folks feel like you have to push ec to achieve a high gpw.
some feel like nutriens are equivelent to food. but my understandintg is that co2 and light is the real source of mass with fertilizer acting more like the vitamins in ourfood . playing a supportive role to the metabolization of the meat and potatoes (light and c02) rather than being them.
some feel like nutriens are equivelent to food. but my understandintg is that co2 and light is the real source of mass with fertilizer acting more like the vitamins in ourfood . playing a supportive role to the metabolization of the meat and potatoes (light and c02) rather than being them.
