The Haze discussion thread

[harvestreaper]

I had fund some really interesting reading from Sir Joseph Banks on the early cannabis he brought to Australia.

At one point in time cannabis was as important for nations as oil is today for energy in modern days.

thanks ill look that up sounds like a good read

 

[@hempy]

thanks ill look that up sounds like a good read

I lost it mate long story if i had it still i would of linked you but it was from his personal journals inserting read.

 

[mexcurandero420]

good post ,,good read ,,he says at the beginning hemp came to mex Caribbean with indian slaves in 1840s but hemp had been grown in england for over a thousand years previously to that i find it hard to understand how for him it began in 1840s particularly as the english were at the controls in Caribbean at the time ,,the extent of international trade in england even pre roman is very underated imo ,,,,,,the piece on haze does make perfect sense as to what weve seen unfold but does that make it true im not sure definitely makes sense tho

Indentured Sierra Leoneans introduced marijuana to Jamaica by 1862.77
(Thurstan Shaw, ‘Early Smoking Pipes: In Africa, Europe, and America’,
The Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland, xc
(1960), pp. 272–305, quotation p. 281.)

Marijuana in Mexico was brought by Indian traders for the red peppers and by Jesuits priests who believed in the medical value of the plant.
In 1920 the US Army grew marijuana for research in Panama for the effects among military.
Back in the mid-1800s,the US had a big medical research project, where genetics from around the world were grown in the Iron Mountains and Mexico.

 

[SUPER_HAZE]

You guys should put some effort into your research.

I dont know of any pure Colombian that can grow out green, lime green, purple, and other colors, all from single pure Colombian line.

Mmmm Old Timer's Haze?

 

[bsgospel]

Indentured Sierra Leoneans introduced marijuana to Jamaica by 1862.77
(Thurstan Shaw, ‘Early Smoking Pipes: In Africa, Europe, and America’,
The Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland, xc
(1960), pp. 272–305, quotation p. 281.)

Marijuana in Mexico was brought by Indian traders for the red peppers and by Jesuits priests who believed in the medical value of the plant.
In 1920 the US Army grew marijuana for research in Panama for the effects among military.
Back in the mid-1800s,the US had a big medical research project, where genetics from around the world were grown in the Iron Mountains and Mexico.

And here is my reading material for the day. Thanks Mex.
I found the DOI too if anyone else wants to pull it up on sci-hub: 10.2307/2844348

Edit: Hm, can't find any mention of marijuana, Sierra Leone, or Jamaica in this text. Back to Haze-talk.

 

[GoatCheese]

You guys should put some effort into your research.

I dont know of any pure Colombian that can grow out green, lime green, purple, and other colors, all from single pure Colombian line.

About the lineage of O Haze..

You have to take in to account that it was Punto Rojo/Columbian weed TRAFFICKED to USA, so very likely it came from a large, commercial grow operation – So the Punto Rojo could have been hybridized/contaminated already in Columbia.

I doubt that for S American commercial ganja growers (cartels?) it was so important to keep the lines super pure. Who knows, maybe the purple plants from the same ganja fields in Columbia were packed and sold as Punto Rojo and green/gold types packed and sold as Gold?! The other kind could get you a better price, so why not do it, pack the green and purple plants separately.

Most Hazes people know are green types because Nevil’s A and C Hazes were green and Sam also selected/picked to the green side but it sure seems the purple color wasn't in there too deep in the line, cause it's mosty gone already, so maybe it was just columbian weed with red purple hues sold as Punto Rojo in California.

Personally, i see some similar traits in my G13Hz keeper/ Hazes and some of the Columbian Gold 72 phenos people have shown around the webs.
The Haze C-male seems to split into so many different sativa types - i’ve seen over 10 different sativa types in the different Haze C-hybrids on MrNice forums and what i’ve grown from seed, that it seems to behave like an unstable polyhybrid sativa in it’s offspring seeds.
..so i doubt that the Punto Rojo was from a pure, stable purple line that made it’s way to California. To me it’s more likely that it was a hybrid already in Columbia made by the commercial growers who grew that weed.

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What Sam and the first Punto R./ Haze Grower (via Bigherb’s article) are saying go along the same lines; The original Punto R./Haze Grower had told he got four different lines out of the Punto R. bag seeds/their offspring; And Sam saying there were different Columbian lines (Magenta, silver, green..) in the beginning/early years of Haze growing.
...To me they are talking about the same thing.

 

[wh1p3dm34t]

ceremony of the announce the new variety Jack Herer in '94

 

[star crash]

my ¥¥¥ Seedsman Original Haze bag seed ¥¥¥

 

[bigherb]

Mmmm Old Timer's Haze?

Exactly , let’s also mention

Punto Rojo

mangobiche

1luvbigherb

 

[Hammerhead]

What kind of pure lines is still growing in the areas the original haze seeds came from?. Why hasn't someone brought in new stock from these areas? . Has the quality diminished to the point it's not worth getting fresh seed stock?. If it's still good where are the seeds?. Are the older seeds 1970-1980 better than what is available today.

 

[harvestreaper]

Indentured Sierra Leoneans introduced marijuana to Jamaica by 1862.77
(Thurstan Shaw, ‘Early Smoking Pipes: In Africa, Europe, and America’,
The Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland, xc
(1960), pp. 272–305, quotation p. 281.)

Marijuana in Mexico was brought by Indian traders for the red peppers and by Jesuits priests who believed in the medical value of the plant.
In 1920 the US Army grew marijuana for research in Panama for the effects among military.
Back in the mid-1800s,the US had a big medical research project, where genetics from around the world were grown in the Iron Mountains and Mexico.

its all good and part of the road to findout

 

[funkyhorse]

What kind of pure lines is still growing in the areas the original haze seeds came from?. Why hasn't someone brought in new stock from these areas? . Has the quality diminished to the point it's not worth getting fresh seed stock?. If it's still good where are the seeds?. Are the older seeds 1970-1980 better than what is available today.

This is what happened
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_drugs

80s weed was drug quality, maybe thats why there was a war? The best of it would be just a step down in the psychoactivity ladder below mushrooms.

This is Colombia today the hybridization started end of 80s
Cauca in 2018, everybody growing fast imported varieties grown under lights:

 

[TheDarkStorm]

my ¥¥¥ Seedsman Original Haze bag seed ¥¥¥

Wow star crash.....your line that Johnny put together seems to be true breeding and very predictable...exactly how you'd expect a line inbred decades to behave......wonder why none of the rest are true breeding...an does this true breeding haze only pop up when a certain male and female were put together from these batches of haze...all batches that have traits unique to themselves that the other dont have.....hhhhmmm

 

[Hammerhead]

This is what happened
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_drugs

80s weed was drug quality, maybe thats why there was a war? The best of it would be just a step down in the psychoactivity ladder below mushrooms.

This is Colombia today the hybridization started end of 80s
Cauca in 2018, everybody growing fast imported varieties grown under lights:

So is the quality we once had gone?. It looks like that is most likely true. There were batches that had outstanding quality. I've not seen anything that matches those batches. There are a few that offer landrace seeds but it looks like there not what they once were. I don't understand what she is saying in the video. Ill assume its not good.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

What kind of pure lines is still growing in the areas the original haze seeds came from?. Why hasn't someone brought in new stock from these areas? . Has the quality diminished to the point it's not worth getting fresh seed stock?. If it's still good where are the seeds?. Are the older seeds 1970-1980 better than what is available today.

Franco seemed to find something just over 10 years back that looks very close to the old punto roja type columbian ....one of the hybrids ghs have made using it.....not my pictures.

 

[Hammerhead]

Franco seemed to find something just over 10 years back that looks very close to the old punto roja type columbian ....one of the hybrids ghs have made using it.....not my pictures.

The biggest prob I see is most of those that experienced those killer plants have passed on. Not many people left that know what once was.

 

[harvestreaper]

to find the past a person has to breed the genes in that direction ie linebreeding breeding back into the heritage with all the diffrent phenos etc might need an island and a tribe of people willing to work it over several human gens tho lol

 

[willydread]

Few haze of last year....

 

[Hammerhead]

to find the past a person has to breed the genes in that direction ie linebreeding breeding back into the heritage with all the diffrent phenos etc might need an island and a tribe of people willing to work it over several human gens tho lol

It's sad those genetics were not kept safe.. I'm willing to do some work but what's available today seems weak compared to what we use to have. Don't get me wrong there are def some killer phenos to be found. It's just not the same.

 

[harvestreaper]

It's sad those genetics were not kept safe.. I'm willing to do some work but what's available today seems weak compared to what we use to have. Don't get me wrong there are def some killer phenos to be found. It's just not the same.

sadly theres nothing we can do about the past breeders ,,on another thread we were talking of a stud book so to speak were people could have access to pollen of standout males so lets say one was very prepotent many could use him an the average in the genetic will rise ,, much like animal breeding ,,now if for example you got a standout female from toms current stock and you were able to breed to a great grandparent male that tom had held onto for years you really could be taking a step in the direction of the past via linebreeding high quality traits,, another way would be take your hazes back to the purest of there heritage so if you believe they thai or lumbo mex cross it back to thai lumbo mex whatever and look thru those i also fancy crossing the current haze lines to each other could easily unlock something interesting if they truly are related so many possibilities an not enuff room lol