The Haze discussion thread

[bigherb]

Sams never said that any Haze bro said Haze is Lumbo X Thai or Lumbo x S.Indian . Especially not in that post

He did say one brother told a different story to the one that first did it up in the mountains . Referring to G’s story of OHaze being Punto Rojo . Then if I recall it was RL or j who supposedly helped G saying it was a 3 way Colombian

Who’s story would we believe the one who did it first or
the guy that came some years later ?

which came first the chicken or the Egg ?

Hempy

Is this the post you refer to below ?


04-18-2014, 09:17
I gave seeds to both the Original Haze growers in 1972 and also later, One used Thai and S Indian with his Haze in the very early 70's. The other grew the Thai but decided it was not as good as Haze and did not use it. The very first Original Haze was a crop of both green, lime green, purple, and other colors, all from Columbian, after that I am not sure and anyone that says they are, is just fooling themselves. One of the Haze growers RL told me a different story then the Original Haze guy that did it first up in the SC mountains and then in the next few years moved down to right by my house, less then a block away, the other Haze grower RL, who put out the OH poster lived a block the other side of my house. I had a friend "J" that used to help the SC mountain Haze grower, he was also a good friend of RCC, he told me all about the early Original Haze I never saw, as I got back to SC in early 1972. They both told me different stories, I did not care so much it was the Cannabis I was interested in.
Sacred Seeds never tried to stablize or improve the Original Haze, our only goal was to save as many of the Original Haze genes as I could so I used as many Original Haze females and males as I could. I think I could create an all Original Haze improved line but I would need to grow thousands and thousands of plants to find a few keeper females, the males would require to be transformed into females to be screened as keepers, and/or by progeney trials that would be best. I would have done it already except that Original Haze is a lousey Dry Sift Hash maker and I hate to use so much space to do the work right. If I don't someone will....
I really do not like Original Haze hybrids that use an WLD Indica to make powerful Hazes, they are strong but often lack the pure Sativa high the I prefer. It is easy though.
If done right with just haze taste and effects, and I can't tell it is a hybrid and it is strong as the Haze was, I would like it I bet. Even the Purple Haze from back in the 70's was not really my choice, they did seem a bit stronger then the greens, limes, and blues, but they also had a more narcotic effect to me. They were the prettiest not the best, to me.
-SamS


1luvbigherb

 

[@hempy]

Originally posted by Sam_Skunkman View Post
I gave seeds to both the Original Haze growers in 1972 and also later, One used Thai and S Indian with his Haze in the very early 70's. The other grew the Thai but decided it was not as good as Haze and did not use it. The very first Original Haze was a crop of both green, lime green, purple, and other colors, all from Columbian, after that I am not sure and anyone that says they are, is just fooling themselves. One of the Haze growers RL told me a different story then the Original Haze guy that did it first up in the SC mountains and then in the next few years moved down to right by my house, less then a block away, the other Haze grower RL, who put out the OH poster lived a block the other side of my house. I had a friend "J" that used to help the SC mountain Haze grower, he was also a good friend of RCC, he told me all about the early Original Haze I never saw, as I got back to SC in early 1972. They both told me different stories, I did not care so much it was the Cannabis I was interested in.
Sacred Seeds never tried to stablize or improve the Original Haze, our only goal was to save as many of the Original Haze genes as I could so I used as many Original Haze females and males as I could. I think I could create an all Original Haze improved line but I would need to grow thousands and thousands of plants to find a few keeper females, the males would require to be transformed into females to be screened as keepers, and/or by progeney trials that would be best. I would have done it already except that Original Haze is a lousey Dry Sift Hash maker and I hate to use so much space to do the work right. If I don't someone will....
I really do not like Original Haze hybrids that use an WLD Indica to make powerful Hazes, they are strong but often lack the pure Sativa high the I prefer. It is easy though.
If done right with just haze taste and effects, and I can't tell it is a hybrid and it is strong as the Haze was, I would like it I bet. Even the Purple Haze from back in the 70's was not really my choice, they did seem a bit stronger then the greens, limes, and blues, but they also had a more narcotic effect to me. They were the prettiest not the best, to me.
-SamS

You guys should put some effort into your research.

I dont know of any pure Colombian that can grow out green, lime green, purple, and other colors, all from single pure Colombian line.

 

[bsgospel]

... But hasn't he also said that it was three Colombians? That's where the variation may occur....

 

[@hempy]

... But hasn't he also said that it was three Colombians? That's where the variation may occur....

How would he know ?.

I had a friend "J" that used to help the SC mountain Haze grower, he was also a good friend of RCC, he told me all about the early Original Haze I never saw, as I got back to SC in early 1972. They both told me different stories, I did not care so much it was the Cannabis I was interested in.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

I posted a post from Sam he had posted in here were he described the purple Haze as being narcotic.

Now in this same post Sam also said one Haze Brother claimed the original Haze was a Colombian Thai from memory and the other Haze brother claimed original Haze was Colombian crossed to something else may of been Indian. Both had a different story to each other is the point.

At the end he said all that matted was the smoke.

it depends on what people are picking up as thai an do we all agree....what I pick up and some others as this thai background in all haze is probably different to what most people pick up as thai traits.....I remember some hazeA hybrids when flowered very ripe..perhaps a little over done...would come out with this distinctness...something id describe as very old school thai.....not describing the church incense thing but overdone would come out with a mustynes, antique, tobacr, cigar, chocolate, hints of spice liver and very old leather....sort of organic.....very much reminds me of places back in the days ive been were you have multiple old guys selling weed and many just smoking and have been smoking all day an everyday in this place....and you smell the unique old school musty thick cured powerful thai rich deepness in the air.....that old brown or browny-red or goldy-brown thai
its this that manages to show its self much more in the hazeA types but can definitely be picked up in differing amounts if you know what your looking for in varing combinations although more muted in most all haze.....those who have had that type of thai will recognize it

But I can also say this....the original haze description when first released by Dutchman must of been allowed, see or run by if not dictated by sam...which said Columbia, Thai Mexican Indian......so this was the description with the seeds then beeing sold......So safe to assume haze made in Holland from that point on could have Columbian, Thai,Mexican, or Indian blood in them in different amounts ....well that what the breeders description on the seeds said

 

[Hammerhead]

I see it as these people are all giving their opinions. For them that's how they remember it. Unlikely we will ever know what was used. I just want some of that killer weed I grew up smoking. Way to much of the Sativa genetics has been removed. I've found some killer plants but none were as good as those I grew up smoking. Ill never forget how those tasted and the reactions I got.

 

[Donald Mallard]

You guys should put some effort into your research.

I dont know of any pure Colombian that can grow out green, lime green, purple, and other colors, all from single pure Colombian line.

as i said in my last post ,
it comes down to some folks interpretations of things ,

i have to say your interpretations are usually terrible hempy ,
you read into things that are not there ,
many people have said that about u even just in the last few pages ,

so i dont rely on most of what you say when i want to know facts ...

of course sam knows what he is talking about ,
he simply mentions that there was more than one story about the same thing ,
because there was more than one person involved ,

did he get his story straight ,
well he seems to be able to document it well enough and say the same thing over and over ,
this indicates he got it straight and is telling the truth

i am 100 % sure he knows his stock better than you , or nevil , or rob, or tom ...

why dont you write him and tell him you think he is full of shit and he has no idea what he is on about??
since this is clearly what you are saying ....

 

[@hempy]

I just go by what the smoke tells me and that told me Thai and Colombian both unique in their own right.

 

[@hempy]

as i said in my last post ,
it comes down to some folks interpretations of things ,

i have to say your interpretations are usually terrible hempy ,
you read into things that are not there ,
many people have said that about u even just in the last few pages ,

so i dont rely on most of what you say when i want to know facts ...

of course sam knows what he is talking about ,
he simply mentions that there was more than one story about the same thing ,
because there was more than one person involved ,

did he get his story straight ,
well he seems to be able to document it well enough and say the same thing over and over ,
this indicates he got it straight and is telling the truth

i am 100 % sure he knows his stock better than you , or nevil , or rob, or tom ...

why dont you write him and tell him you think he is full of shit and he has no idea what he is on about??
since this is clearly what you are saying ....

Donald like i would expect you to post anything but criticisms lol.

Dude Sam posted that not me.

I had a friend "J" that used to help the SC mountain Haze grower, he was also a good friend of RCC, he told me all about the early Original Haze I never saw, as I got back to SC in early 1972. They both told me different stories, I did not care so much it was the Cannabis I was interested in.

Sam clearly says he never saw the original haze.

He also says Both Haze brothers had different story's to the haze back ground.

 

[Donald Mallard]

it depends on what people are picking up as thai an do we all agree....what I pick up and some others as this thai background in all haze is probably different to what most people pick up as thai traits.....I remember some hazeA hybrids when flowered very ripe..perhaps a little over done...would come out with this distinctness...something id describe as very old school thai.....not describing the church incense thing but overdone would come out with a mustynes, antique, tobacr, cigar, chocolate, hints of spice liver and very old leather....sort of organic.....very much reminds me of places back in the days ive been were you have multiple old guys selling weed and many just smoking and have been smoking all day an everyday in this place....and you smell the unique old school musty thick cured powerful thai rich deepness in the air.....that old brown or browny-red or goldy-brown thai
its this that manages to show its self much more in the hazeA types but can definitely be picked up in differing amounts if you know what your looking for in varing combinations although more muted in most all haze.....those who have had that type of thai will recognize it

But I can also say this....the original haze description when first released by Dutchman must of been allowed, see or run by if not dictated by sam...which said Columbia, Thai Mexican Indian......so this was the description with the seeds then beeing sold......So safe to assume haze made in Holland from that point on could have Columbian, Thai,Mexican, or Indian blood in them in different amounts ....well that what the breeders description on the seeds said

its a long story and some folks get mixed up ,
as you see here ,

sam has clearly said on several occasions he sold original haze as exactly that ,
and crosses were labeled accordingly ,
did the sellers get mixed up , change it , mishear , misread ,
all those things are likely ,,
if they just followed the label , then they knew what they had and hopefully relabeled it accordingly ....

with regards to sensing different varieties in another ,
its possible there are similarities to some highs in different varieties ,
cannabis is quite diverse , especially landraces ,
this is what is special and important about them ,
can u sense something else in them :?,, maybe ,
does that mean its in there? , , no it may bear no relation , only dna tests could tell for sure ...

its all cannabis after all , its all related somewhere along the line ,
just some finer points/traits have established in them due to separation/isolation,
different conditions/environments , and selections,
even some indica can have sativa type highs ...

i dont think our brain is accurate enough to distinguish somethings folks say they are sure of ,
its educated guesses at best ,, definitely not a final and or accurate analysis ,
as i said only dna could tell that ...

 

[Donald Mallard]

Donald like i would expect you to post anything but criticisms lol.

Dude Sam posted that not me.



Sam clearly says he never saw the original haze.

He also says Both Haze brothers had different story's to the haze back ground.

wrong ,,
read it again , he says he never say the "first" original haze ,
it does not say he has never seen original haze ,

there you go again with your interpretations man ,
you wont make a very good historian at this rate hempy ....

 

[@hempy]

Your coming across as Sam's legal deference team Donald you got ya wig n robe on as you type these posts ?.

 

[Donald Mallard]

Donald like i would expect you to post anything but criticisms lol.

Dude Sam posted that not me.



Sam clearly says he never saw the original haze.

He also says Both Haze brothers had different story's to the haze back ground.

also sams quote says they both told him different stories ,
you jump to the conclusion that they dispute the origins , background of the original haze ,
thats not what sam has said ,
he just said they told him different stories ,
you have then further elaborated with your own version ,
and presto we have hempys "wrong" interpretation of events ....

 

[@hempy]

wrong ,,
read it again , he says he never say the "first" original haze ,
it does not say he has never seen original haze ,

there you go again with your interpretations man ,
you wont make a very good historian at this rate hempy ....

What are you on about Donald the first Original haze is Original Haze Donald.

If he never saw original Haze or believed the story's coming from the breeders of Original haze then how do you know the background .

If you know what their telling you dose not add up then how can you believe any thing they tell you.

 

[Donald Mallard]

of course he saw original haze ,
he has grown it , made seeds from it blah blah ,
he never saw the first plants , thats what that line indicates ,

its you trying to change the story now to something totally different ,
and by doing so calling him a liar ,,

first its not what he said it was ,
then he never even saw it ..

sam has never seen original haze ?????,,
bullshit man , stop trying to interpret stuff when you have no skills in that area,
of course he has seen original haze ... stop being so obtuse and inaccurate ...

 

[@hempy]

of course he saw original haze ,
he has grown it , made seeds from it blah blah ,
he never saw the first plants , thats what that line indicates ,

its you trying to change the story now to something totally different ,
and by doing so calling him a liar ,,

first its not what he said it was ,
then he never even saw it ..

sam has never seen original haze ?????,,
bullshit man , stop trying to interpret stuff when you have no skills in that area,
of course he has seen original haze ... stop being so obtuse and inaccurate ...

Sam's wards Donald (the early Original Haze I never saw) Now you can twist and shape it any way you like but Sam says he never saw the early haze.

I had a friend "J" that used to help the SC mountain Haze grower, he was also a good friend of RCC, he told me all about the early Original Haze I never saw, as I got back to SC in early 1972. They both told me different stories, I did not care so much it was the Cannabis I was interested in.

You must have selective reading were you read only what you want and block out what you dont like lol.

 

[harvestreaper]

Indian hemp was what the British called sativas all drug strains.

Cannabis spread threw what they called the new world because of its importance to shipping ( sails - ropes ) clothing the oil so on.

absolutely ,, this is what the good ol honest to goodness british goverment write in there account of history ,,but for me ,,knowing uncensored humans as i do it would be a miracle if people didn't smoke use and know an understand the different varieties and uses within hemp after the thousands of years they were fooling with it previously ,, ,,, as i alluded to england had large scale international trade all over world tin /gold etc long before the romans enslaved them and there descendants the british establishment kindly gave us there modern version of our history etc not trying to claim any connection to england only that the history we have has already been proven to be mainly bs propaganda and we now know through archaeological finds people dealt everything people deal to each other millennia before the "official "accounts we have

 

[Donald Mallard]

hahaha
i thought you said you were fluent in 2 languages ,
plainly one of them is not english man ,

you are not reading it correctly and just being obtuse man ,
ffs get another job because a cannabis historian, you are not by any stretch,
the clue is in the words mate , as hard as it is for you to comprehend,
it clearly says "early" ,, its no secret sam was not there when they first grew haze ,
he said that himself many times ,,
that is exactly what that quote says man ,

it definitely does not say he never saw haze ,, of bloody course he did,
what do you think he sold nevil , what do you think he has been saying all these years ,
if your going to be this stupid there is no point in anyone even talking to you man ,
so bloody frustrating , i cant believe it to be honest ,

stop being so ridiculous and trying to test my patience with you ..

what is even more amazing is you accusing me of doing what you are in fact doing ,,
you are truly incredible ,
you really need to research the dunning kruger affect ,
because that is you all over mate .....

dont reply to me again man ,, im not interested in what you think ,

go get some english lessons before you bother engaging with me again ,
bloody semi-literate fool ..

 

[@hempy]

I know what i am reading Donald you can translate any way you like mate i never liked ping pong.

 

[@hempy]

absolutely ,, this is what the good ol honest to goodness british goverment write in there account of history ,,but for me ,,knowing uncensored humans as i do it would be a miracle if people didn't smoke use and know an understand the different varieties and uses within hemp after the thousands of years they were fooling with it previously ,, ,,, as i alluded to england had large scale international trade all over world tin /gold etc long before the romans enslaved them and there descendants the british establishment kindly gave us there modern version of our history etc not trying to claim any connection to england only that the history we have has already been proven to be mainly bs propaganda and we now know through archaeological finds people dealt everything people deal to each other millennia before the "official "accounts we have

I had fund some really interesting reading from Sir Joseph Banks on the early cannabis he brought to Australia.

At one point in time cannabis was as important for nations as oil is today for energy in modern days.