The Haze discussion thread

[StickyBandit]

I have been watching this thread for some time with great intrigue and I'm thinking I might have to grow a little haze if I can find a decent strain.
I have a couple of haze seeds here. 1 seed of each, Kera Seeds Super Silver Haze and Barneys Farm Seeds G13 Haze
Would either of these be suitable as a representative of real haze?

 

[harvestreaper]

As far as i could throw a baloon down the alley i trust he'd fetch it. I just happy i was not going bonkers and some other folk finding some decent smoke in the haze i grow lol. For years you know they were convinced it was some skunk ass hybrid lol.

i always thought your haze looked like sk1 x haze lol ive just grown my first pure haze from todds some say it looks like a hybrid of nevs haze ive never grown nevs haze so couldnt say what i can say is ive seen haze hybrids with thinner leaves etc ,,.im old enuff to remember some great haze hybrids from posi from late 80s early 90s my grail was one such plant hoping to try your line soon the descriptions i read seem to fit the bill of what im looking for ,,i do think some get a little carried away with the honour an intergrity of those setting up businesses in the early days they were big fish in a small pond with next to no competition there products were light years ahead of what most of europe was smoking at the time it was very shrewd business,,, to talk of them like super advanced all for humanity beings kinda romantic imo

 

[Tom Hill]

i always thought your haze looked like sk1 x haze lol ive just grown my first pure haze from todds some say it looks like a hybrid of nevs haze ive never grown nevs haze so couldnt say what i can say is ive seen haze hybrids with thinner leaves etc ,,.im old enuff to remember some great haze hybrids from posi from late 80s early 90s my grail was one such plant hoping to try your line soon the descriptions i read seem to fit the bill of what im looking for ,,i do think some get a little carried away with the honour an intergrity of those setting up businesses in the early days they were big fish in a small pond with next to no competition there products were light years ahead of what most of europe was smoking at the time it was very shrewd business,,, to talk of them like super advanced all for humanity beings kinda romantic imo

Yeah everybody was so damn sure lol. They and you were all full of shit 20 years later the cream still rises to the top any half ass geneticist can cook we just have to let it not pick on them be a douche and so forth.

 

[Tom Hill]

I told all of you nutters like 20 years ago. That nevils boring lumbo shit is ok, but this thai heavy shit is way better. If you look around in haze co you will see the worm has turned folk starting to get it.

 

[StickyBandit]

I'm kinda limited to what I can get hold of here
Would this one be any good for a starter? https://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/seedsman-seeds-mama-thai/prod_1061
Cheers

 

[ojd]

Horseshit hempy. Don't be confuse its just man shit. Dacades ago as in cannabis world sam toss gauntlet clint eastword stylie unanswered. The deal was simple dont reproduced my pure lines. Its a common fucking deal pal.

I hate to argue more because the sam camp is strong but how did he reproduce his pure lines ?
not O Haze for sure ?

O Haze is very nice but not a patch on what Neville produced , if it is why was it not grown like Nevilles famous cut for 30 plus years all over holland and the world.

Neville was no saint but you people think Sam is ? , there is many storys in sam also , people just not dare post them.

Sam probaly sold more seeds than anyone from the legal outdoor greenhouse runs in holland and maybe UK .

I know there is a O haze revival these days but where was it the last 30 years ?

 

[ojd]

I told all of you nutters like 20 years ago. That nevils boring lumbo shit is ok, but this thai heavy shit is way better. If you look around in haze co you will see the worm has turned folk starting to get it.

I thought sam said there was no Thai in Haze ( which i thought the opposite.

Boring lumbo ? , that spicy Frankincense is what the Haze world chase all day everyday

 

[ojd]

Lumbo for taste , Thai for High , perfect combo

 

[ojd]

Also i love all Haze , O Haze to i just prefer some more than others.

when you think of Haze there is no more Haze than Neville and his work.
yes sam brought the Haze to holland and Neville carried on the work and did his own lines.
If i take tom hill Haze and work it not F2 but hybrids etc etc then it becomes my work , dont get me wrong always credit given to the originator but once you taken it your own way its no longer what you started with.

Nobody did what Neville did in our game

Seedbank
Sensi seed
greenhouse

3 of the most famous seed co's ever and and Neville was the man behind all 3 when it comes to genetics , not sam or OHaze

 

[@hempy]

Lumbo for taste , Thai for High , perfect combo

When i started to grow Nevil's Haze work the first line that came to mind looking at the plants were Thai and Colombian and when i first smoked it the first strain that came to mind was the old Mullum Madness.

As i went threw the plants more and more i found 2 main types of affects Thai and Colombian.

 

[@hempy]

I told all of you nutters like 20 years ago. That nevils boring lumbo shit is ok, but this thai heavy shit is way better. If you look around in haze co you will see the worm has turned folk starting to get it.

Dont tell them Haze has Thai in it Tom they will loos their minds

 

[@hempy]

Also i love all Haze , O Haze to i just prefer some more than others.

when you think of Haze there is no more Haze than Neville and his work.
yes sam brought the Haze to holland and Neville carried on the work and did his own lines.
If i take tom hill Haze and work it not F2 but hybrids etc etc then it becomes my work , dont get me wrong always credit given to the originator but once you taken it your own way its no longer what you started with.

Nobody did what Neville did in our game

Seedbank
Sensi seed
greenhouse

3 of the most famous seed co's ever and and Neville was the man behind all 3 when it comes to genetics , not sam or OHaze

The people that breed haze or as the story goes created haze by making seed for the next years crop have never been given the credit it always seams to stop at Sam.

Sam preserved Haze played an important part but so did Nevil and so has Tom and so has every one that grows it that has saved clones for years and people that have made seed and worked with the haze.

 

[willydread]

Boring lumbo ? , that spicy Frankincense is what the Haze world chase all day everyday

I believe this is subjective, any plant I grow that has church incense flavor is automatically discarded, even if it has the best effect in the world ....

Last year I grew Tom Hill Haze, a plant that tasted like black pepper, one of the best highs ever...
Bless

 

[harvestreaper]

Yeah everybody was so damn sure lol. They and you were all full of shit 20 years later the cream still rises to the top any half ass geneticist can cook we just have to let it not pick on them be a douche and so forth.

you must have me confused with someone else tom im far from perfect but i wernt full of shit then an i aint full of shit now lol im a loner i dont know what others have said to you i simply said your haze looked like skunk haze to me an it still does,, seen many that look the same never called you a lier or suggested you was, just my view on the appearance i always gave you the benefit of the doubt as from what i read you seemed genuine but i like to treat folks how they treat me so maybe you are just full of shit lol i also said ive seen haze hybrids with thinner leaves than the "pure" hazes im currently growing from todd ,,woopdeedoo its not an attack on todds credibility or work just an observation an yes i agree cream rises to the top and let everyone get the credit they deserve ,,

 

[Donald Mallard]

Lumbo for taste , Thai for High , perfect combo

i dont always agree with you ojd,
actually in my next quote i probably will disagree , ahha ,
but on that one im with you all the way ...

 

[Donald Mallard]

Also i love all Haze , O Haze to i just prefer some more than others.

when you think of Haze there is no more Haze than Neville and his work.
yes sam brought the Haze to holland and Neville carried on the work and did his own lines.
If i take tom hill Haze and work it not F2 but hybrids etc etc then it becomes my work , dont get me wrong always credit given to the originator but once you taken it your own way its no longer what you started with.

Nobody did what Neville did in our game

Seedbank
Sensi seed
greenhouse

3 of the most famous seed co's ever and and Neville was the man behind all 3 when it comes to genetics , not sam or OHaze

now see this is what i cant agree with ,
if you take toms work , and joe blows work ,
stick them together and call it your work ,
i think thats pretty weak ,
and that was what i didnt like about wht nevil did too ,

show me a variety he made from landraces where he didnt use someone elses already worked cannabis ,
if he was as good as you are saying , there must be several lines you can point me towards that he made from scratch surely ??

or was he doing like u suggested that you would call your work and just using someone elses good work to capitalize on and then pat himself on the back for ?/
you see my point dont you ??

 

[Donald Mallard]

Tom i honestly dont like talking about what Sam and Nevil may or may not of done that should be between them and only them.

But lets be honest why was it okay for the Flying Dutchman and Possi to sell Seed but not Nevil why would a seed seller buy seed he cant make seed from.

Nevil never sold pure Haze and that was one of the first things i asked him about he could have and had every right to but Nevil didn't because in his wards the seed was never as good as the parent.

Nevil also said Sam had told him inbreeding haze was not the path but out crossing Haze was and he later agreed with Sam and said Sam was right.

i highlighted the areas i think need addressing hempy ,
so you think its ok for nevil to give you his word on something and expect him to keep it
but its ok for him not to keep the word he has given to others ??

according to sam they agreed he would only make hybrids of the seed sam supplied ,
why would he buy seed he cant make seed from ,
well he can , but only hybrids ,
if that is the agreement they made , and shook on it ,
then nevil should have honored his word ,

of course we know he didnt do that , (skunk for 1, haze pure form , i dunno , but pure skunk was for sale)
the same as he didnt do it with you and the seed you supplied him ,
because his word isnt worth as much to him as fame and fortune ,
some folks are just like that , there is nothing you can do to change that ,
he was like that before you dealt with him so he was definitely like that after you dealt with him ,

im not saying the man didnt have any redeeming qualities,
he likely did , just keeping his word was not one of them .....

 

[TheDarkStorm]

yea i suspected that tom ,
bit of a shame really ,
because we we get down to it , our word is all we have left after all the material shit is pushed aside ,
its the reason i tell hempy dont be too sure nevil kept his word to him either ,
since he didnt feel it was a valuable as some of us do ....
i wouldnt have trusted the guy as far as i can throw a piano ,,, lol ...

I dont think people understand wat all the fuss was about.....the whole palava was about nevil selling f1 parent stock to make haze to sensi.......but nevil didnt sell those plants....he was in jail at the time and ben stoped buying seed off nevil....he kept presurising nevil to sell him the business....nevil in the end sold ben the castle well under its worth.....he got nothing for his plants and alot of his seed stock went missing too.....it was that money nevil put down to get out......

 

[marijuanamat]

I've got a pack of TOM HILLS HAZE, and i got those in 03-04 and still haven't sprouted any yet, but i've got no reason to think they won't germinate as i've germinated 20+ year old seeds. As long as you keep them in a refrigerator at 4c-5c, the seeds will germinate, sometimes with some coaching from the sand paper.

 

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