The Haze discussion thread

[@hempy]

i highlighted the areas i think need addressing hempy ,
so you think its ok for nevil to give you his word on something and expect him to keep it
but its ok for him not to keep the word he has given to others ??

according to sam they agreed he would only make hybrids of the seed sam supplied ,
why would he buy seed he cant make seed from ,
well he can , but only hybrids ,
if that is the agreement they made , and shook on it ,
then nevil should have honored his word ,

of course we know he didnt do that , (skunk for 1, haze pure form , i dunno , but pure skunk was for sale)
the same as he didnt do it with you and the seed you supplied him ,
because his word isnt worth as much to him as fame and fortune ,
some folks are just like that , there is nothing you can do to change that ,
he was like that before you dealt with him so he was definitely like that after you dealt with him ,

im not saying the man didnt have any redeeming qualities,
he likely did , just keeping his word was not one of them .....

According to Nevil there was no agreement just an exchange of money for seed.

Like i said why was The FlyingDutchan and Possi okay to sell Haze seed and Nevil was not.

Nevil only offered a 3/4 Haze and 50% Haze hybrids and his a thief give me a brake like i said Nevil didn't offer pure haze because they were not as good as the parent line his wards.

Nevil payed for these seed Sam didn't put Nevil in a head lock and force him to buy them or
did Nevil force Sam to sell them to him.

This is such a childish argument and one that involves not one of us.

If you feel so strongly about Nevil why you growing his work.

 

[Donald Mallard]

yea im sure nevil would say that ,
im sure he said that about the deal you and he had too hempy ,

you understand a gentlemans agreement between you and him,
but have some trouble understanding it between him and others ,
this is the sort of thing that gave nevil a bad name among a few in holland ,

you swear blue blind he kept his word with you ,
but you can bet your bottom dollar he didnt and u simply got treated the same as everyone before ,
its just that you cant face up to it and believe it happened ,
a serious case of denial ...

sam has said before he made a deal with nev not to sell his stock in pure form,
nevil sold pure skunk didnt he hempy??
you are likely missing that , even though i pointed it out when i posted ,

did you put nevil in a head lock over the seeds you gave him ??
did he have to pay for them , or was it just an agreement that you expected he would uphold ??
see you are not the first guy he let down over gentlemans agreements ,
thats why sam says nevil couldnt be trusted , because he didnt keep his word ...

i feel strongly about truth and honesty hempy ,
i think you do too when it suits you ,
it matters not what i grow with regards to that ,
all that matters is i keep my word and i am honest ,
heck people still grow some of the seed rezdog made,
i think i would draw the line there though ,
not only a smartass but that guy was an informant too ...

hey didnt nevil call sam an informant to sully his name too??
thats why he never posted here hempy,
i mean who does that when they know its not true ,
pretty low really .....

 

[RoyalFlush]

yea im sure nevil would say that ,
im sure he said that about the deal you and he had too hempy ,

you understand a gentlemans agreement between you and him,
but have some trouble understanding it between him and others ,
this is the sort of thing that gave nevil a bad name among a few in holland ,

you swear blue blind he kept his word with you ,
but you can bet your bottom dollar he didnt and u simply got treated the same as everyone before ,
its just that you cant face up to it and believe it happened ,
a serious case of denial ...

sam has said before he made a deal with nev not to sell his stock in pure form,
nevil sold pure skunk didnt he hempy??
you are likely missing that , even though i pointed it out when i posted ,

did you put nevil in a head lock over the seeds you gave him ??
did he have to pay for them , or was it just an agreement that you expected he would uphold ??
see you are not the first guy he let down over gentlemans agreements ,
thats why sam says nevil couldnt be trusted , because he didnt keep his word ...

i feel strongly about truth and honesty hempy ,
i think you do too when it suits you ,
it matters not what i grow with regards to that ,
all that matters is i keep my word and i am honest ,
heck people still grow some of the seed rezdog made,
i think i would draw the line there though ,
not only a smartass but that guy was an informant too ...

hey didnt nevil call sam an informant to sully his name too??
thats why he never posted here hempy,
i mean who does that when they know its not true ,
pretty low really .....

I like you Donald but I find it silly that you would blindly trust the word of a known Egotistic and pathological liar that is Sam.

Note* I'm speaking about Sam as a public figure and not as a fellow ICmagger, so don't jump on me about rules.

 

[Hammerhead]

Rarely is a single person's word excepted as truth. If others not just 1 person are saying the same thing it's prob true.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

I like you Donald but I find it silly that you would blindly trust the word of a known Egotistic and pathological liar that is Sam.

Note* I'm speaking about Sam as a public figure and not as a fellow ICmagger, so don't jump on me about rules.

I would find it offensive in a situation were someone holds you doing what you have to to get out of a jail cell....but I suppose only people who have had their lives turned upside down by the po-po would understand that.....the po-po confiscate equipment, money, genetics ect....on on the other side are the people who the po-po give these things to....i know a person who has been given seeds that have been taken from people like me....there are some sick people around..and only sick people would think things like that are ok

 

[Donald Mallard]

I like you Donald but I find it silly that you would blindly trust the word of a known Egotistic and pathological liar that is Sam.

Note* I'm speaking about Sam as a public figure and not as a fellow ICmagger, so don't jump on me about rules.

thanks royal ,
i like a lot of your posts too ,
the odd one i disagree with ,
but thats ok , be boring if we all had the same opinion ,

my mum used to say to folks ,
"you re entitled to your opinion , no matter how silly it may be "

another one is
{you re entitled to your opinion ,
i can t force you to be right ....

haha , its all good , be hard to upset me now with the lovely spring weather we are getting...

 

[Donald Mallard]

I would find it offensive in a situation were someone holds you doing what you have to to get out of a jail cell....but I suppose only people who have had their lives turned upside down by the po-po would understand that.....the po-po confiscate equipment, money, genetics ect....on on the other side are the people who the po-po give these things to....i know a person who has been given seeds that have been taken from people like me....there are some sick people around..and only sick people would think things like that are ok

hey darkie , i didnt really understand how your last comment related to the situation we were discussing,
are you saying nevil broke his work about not selling reproductions of sams work and only selling hybrids ,
in order to get out of jail ??
im not sure that was the case man , they way you said it didnt seem related to the topic but something else all together ,
can u elaborate ??

 

[LostTribe]

I told all of you nutters like 20 years ago. That nevils boring lumbo shit is ok, but this thai heavy shit is way better. If you look around in haze co you will see the worm has turned folk starting to get it.

16+ Week Tom Hill Haze

I am loving the effects from this long legged lady. Very glad I was able to run these. This particular lady is the most like a "grinspoon" sativa I have had the pleasure to run. I have another that is braided but that one has noticeably more buds, still top shelf. It will be difficult to chose between the 2 and will of course come down to effects.

I usually keep my best tops to smoke last. I am considering going ahead on these though as they are about 3 months cured now.

Again, much thanks Tom these are something from another world and time that is for certain!

Best
LT

 

[Hammerhead]

I got a few coming. I'm not a huge fan of the structures like Grinspoon. I would prefer another. This is the pheno that looks more Sativa.
...

 

[LostTribe]

I got a few coming. I'm not a huge fan of the structures like Grinspoon. I would prefer another. This is the pheno that looks more Sativa.
...

Maybe you haven't found the right "Grinspoon" yet? And Grinspoonesque plants are the absolute most Sativa influenced there is.

My mentor 20 years ago passed me a tiny sack of fluff he said some Oldtimers held tight that looked just like this and it was the most intense smoke I have ever experienced to this day. This may not be as intense but the longer blooming lower yielding expressions are giving me the best effects. Very long lasting 4-5 hours and I've been toking it for 6 months now daily still does the trick and sometimes it gets intense!

I'm off to see how it pulls thru the high of my C99 #4! Cheers!
LT

 

[Hammerhead]

Maybe you haven't found the right "Grinspoon" yet? And Grinspoonesque plants are the absolute most Sativa influenced there is.

My mentor 20 years ago passed me a tiny sack of fluff he said some Oldtimers held tight that looked just like this and it was the most intense smoke I have ever experienced to this day. This may not be as intense but the longer blooming lower yielding expressions are giving me the best effects. Very long lasting 4-5 hours and I've been toking it for 6 months now daily still does the trick and sometimes it gets intense!

I'm off to see how it pulls thru the high of my C99 #4! Cheers!
LT

I'm referring to that structure. I do not like plants that grow like this. Ill pass.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Cool pics

 

[@hempy]

Here is a quote from Nevil now you have both sides.

To be honest, I don't remember selling pure haze seeds at all and I don't remember making a contact with Sam about what I might do with the few plants that might come up from the 15 year old seeds that I paid thousands for.
I do remember Sam waffling on about how he should get royalties for everything that passed through his hands. Of course this was after I started having success with them.
You can't take everything anyone says seriously you know.
N.

Now move on and stop filling this thread with arguments no one cares about or had involvement in.

Info found here
questions for Nevil https://mrnice.nl/forum/threads/questions-for-nevil.4308/

 

[Donald Mallard]

oh of course , now nevil has cleared that one up ,
geez we are lucky he was always right or one might want to question some of the stuff he rambled on about wouldnt one ??
frankly i think he is just avoiding admitting what he knew he had promised ...

sounds like someone covering their tracks to me ..
but yes sure carry on now subjects, the king has spoken ...

hempy if this is indeed a haze "discussion" thread ,
then this stuff is pertinent,
and from what i could tell folks do care about the truth behind it ,
you just seem to want to sweep it under the carpet because you dont agree with it ,
but you dont get the last say , despite trying too .. hehehe ...

 

[harvestreaper]

haze created from scratch in usa ,,northern lights created from scratch in usa skunk 1 created from scratch in usa ,all 3 marketed to the world from holland ,over my head how you all arguing about credit for breeding lol

 

[regseeds]

now see this is what i cant agree with ,
if you take toms work , and joe blows work ,
stick them together and call it your work ,
i think thats pretty weak ,
and that was what i didnt like about wht nevil did too ,

show me a variety he made from landraces where he didnt use someone elses already worked cannabis ,
if he was as good as you are saying , there must be several lines you can point me towards that he made from scratch surely ??

or was he doing like u suggested that you would call your work and just using someone elses good work to capitalize on and then pat himself on the back for ?/
you see my point dont you ??

Don with respect these comments are asinine. The objective has never changed, take your best female...... Put to best proven male. The ratios are always the same.

Would you breed a przewalski's horse to win a Melbourne cup? Didn’t think so

I've never seen a breeder/stud across any field/domain work unproven lines, all our time is limited on this earth.

Thus, we all try and start with the best starting stock we can.

Some have more success than others. Let bygones be bygone

 

[@hempy]

oh of course , now nevil has cleared that one up ,
geez we are lucky he was always right or one might want to question some of the stuff he rambled on about wouldnt one ??
frankly i think he is just avoiding admitting what he knew he had promised ...

sounds like someone covering their tracks to me ..
but yes sure carry on now subjects, the king has spoken ...

hempy if this is indeed a haze "discussion" thread ,
then this stuff is pertinent,
and from what i could tell folks do care about the truth behind it ,
you just seem to want to sweep it under the carpet because you dont agree with it ,
but you dont get the last say , despite trying too .. hehehe ...

Yesterday i logged in and saw a member post pictures of their current Haze grow then as this stupid debate continued removed the pictures in short edited their post. I wont name them but its easy to work.

You Donald have taken Sam's side in something that dose not involve you.

Nevil put his side out there but you just brush it to the side because it dose not fit your agenda and yes its now clear your agenda is to trash Nevil.

Every one that grows cannabis has stood on the solders of others who came before them be it Sam Nevil Shantibaba you me any one that grows a seed.

Sam never created Haze so why you acting like he did.

Having a discussion is one thing attacking a persons reputation and credibility is very different.

 

[ojd]

What you saying by taking someone else's work is what sam and tom and every seedmaker out there has done.

Sam takes O Haze seeds from G and makes O Haze seeds and people seem to forget sam didnt make Haze either
or tom hill if i not mistaken takes wernards Haze and does same thing
tod
etc
etc

You show me where someone made it for full scratch ?
even the orginators are questionable as you can find that someone else made claim to some of the first ever strains.

What about you with your C5 mango X's , basicly using all of Neville's work and then dissing him constantly ? , is it just me or is it crazy some of these guys who dis Neville constantly but use his work on a regular.
where your O Haze x Sk1 X's
Or what about tod mcormick
you look at his website and whole line near 50 strains and its Nevil Haze x O Haze x Everything
not O Haze x everything
ON Haze x everything
why is that ?

because Neville Schoenmakers ( RIP ) was the Haze master and nobody has come close.

Me and every other seedmaker uses someone elses work to carry on in his own direction and of course still give credit to the originator of the work your using

now see this is what i cant agree with ,
if you take toms work , and joe blows work ,
stick them together and call it your work ,
i think thats pretty weak ,
and that was what i didnt like about wht nevil did too ,

show me a variety he made from landraces where he didnt use someone elses already worked cannabis ,
if he was as good as you are saying , there must be several lines you can point me towards that he made from scratch surely ??

or was he doing like u suggested that you would call your work and just using someone elses good work to capitalize on and then pat himself on the back for ?/
you see my point dont you ??

 

[ojd]

haze created from scratch in usa ,,northern lights created from scratch in usa skunk 1 created from scratch in usa ,all 3 marketed to the world from holland ,over my head how you all arguing about credit for breeding lol

Yes all from usa but usa holders could also of made the seeds and spread them all over the world making them famous , but they didnt Neville did.
sam had chance and did make millions of seeds in his dutch/uk outdoor greenhouse projects same times as Neville , and sam sold to posi , flying dutch etc etc etc , they just didnt make as much noise or reach as many people as Neville did.

 

[Donald Mallard]

haze created from scratch in usa ,,northern lights created from scratch in usa skunk 1 created from scratch in usa ,all 3 marketed to the world from holland ,over my head how you all arguing about credit for breeding lol

"from holland by an Australian ,"

pretty bonkers really isnt it hr ,
kinda like a movie and we are only really seeing the crew who brought it to the big screen ,
they are getting the credit when theres a whole set of folks behind the scenes who really got it all going in the first place,
kinda puts a bit of a different perspective to it ....

it takes a lot of people to get some things to fly,
we should remember that when we look at the end products ,
credit is due to a whole cast and crew , not just the guy who put it on the screen ...