The Haze discussion thread

[mexcurandero420]

Most of the cannabis going to the Us just like here originate from returning vets and a lot of cannabis being exported in were seed was found and you had some that was also brought in by travelers and hippies and surfers.

To be honest there were many other locations apart from California with grate cannabis the Hawaiian Islands - Australia - Asia - Africa and the list goes on.

For over 20years i have read Cali this and Cali that well i hate to brake to some but Cali was not the only place with a large cannabis culture.

Yes i love Haze but haze is at the end of the day a hybrid of quality sativas and there were a lot of very special sativas around and still are out there.

This Sam vs Nevil thing is bull shit and the myths and second hand Chinese whispers (The Haze Story's ) really has no relevance at the end of the day it all comes down to the smoke even Sam posted that.

Why are so many fixated on a STORY that allegedly happened in the late 60s and or in the 70s i would of thought the important part was the cannabis and the quality of the smoke and preserving it and trying to improve or better put stabilize its quality it had and have it show up in more plants than we were seeing in Haze even 36 years ago.

You started this thread, not one of us.Like I wrote earlier I'm not convinced in the lineage anymore, perhaps the Punto Rojo was a Panama red back in the days.The US military did grow marijuana in Panama in the 1920s for research, Colombian came much later.

 

[@hempy]

You started this thread, not one of us.Like I wrote earlier I'm not convinced in the lineage anymore, perhaps the Punto Rojo was a Panama red back in the days.The US military did grow marijuana in Panama in the 1920s for research, Colombian came much later.

I did start the thread YES but ask me why i started the thread mexcurandero420 ?

First post of this thread

Hi all seams a few are getting there panty's all twisted out of shape when we bring up Neville's work with Haze and his contributions so i felt it was best to open a new thread were we can discuss both Sam and Neville's Haze lines is a mature and respectful way.

That is why i started the Haze thread but unlike others i welcome all camps here and there are 2 sides to the story Sam's and Nevil's that is it.

There is more interest in discrediting Nevil than people wanting to discuss haze and breeding and any thing cannabis related and that is the sad reality.

 

[mexcurandero420]

Imo Nevil did a very nice job with Haze.Still love to smoke his Haze, especially the incense aroma gives me a smile on my face.The OHz i'm also familiar with has other great properties, love to smoke it in the summer and see the auras around the trees, what i've experienced.

 

[JohnnyChicago]

Also any Haze experts who used to frequent Holland , it is clear to see the strains similar to Nevil's selections and the strains that are simular to O Haze selections , its not even 99 -1.
Nevil's work and offsprings of his work is world famous and O Haze is more for people who fell in love with Haze and then wanted to explore the pure version and again i love O Haze to smoke if its that 1 in 99 grail but alot of Hay to look through , alot.
Maybe the new selections and work can improve that and make it much more interesting for most.

im wating for 1 of you O Haze gang to find a superior O Haze selection and start circulating it amongst each other , then im all ears , but untill then its a personal hunt that some peoples taste buds and expectation of Highs are far different to others.
if the O Haze was that special , it would of been preseved like every other strain of elites has been since the early days , have you ever heard of a O Haze famous cut , even from Sam ?

I am Haze expert who used to frequent Holland, but I am not part of a gang.
Probably even one of those who love Haze A, A5 and NH the most here.
But Ojd, I can ask you the same question.
If Haze A and C were so special. Why have they not been preserved? Nor the cuts, nor seeds.
While OH is preserved. People are growing and smoking it. How many years after its creation? 35 or even 55?

And there was a famous OH cut. Selected by SamS, chosen by Wernard, sold in Coffeeshops in the 90, used in breeding by some seedbanks and by Tom Hill too. Haze#19.

Edit: if I was you I would use the OH on Nevils latest work. Probably the best way to preserve it.

 

[Humple W.]

Its definetly a scam, avoid .

They ripped of Reeferman , Nevil and im sure a bunch of others.
They have fake pics and X's of Nevils strains and Reefermans.
pm charles scot on this website( Reeferman) and ask him about his how shady they are.

I already got myself some of Todd's beans, so no worries there. Just curious, as I hadn't seen them mentioned!

 

[TheDarkStorm]

I am Haze expert who used to frequent Holland, but I am not part of a gang.
Probably even one of those who love Haze A, A5 and NH the most here.
But Ojd, I can ask you the same question.
If Haze A and C were so special. Why have they not been preserved? Nor the cuts, nor seeds.
While OH is preserved. People are growing and smoking it. How many years after its creation? 35 or even 55?

And there was a famous OH cut. Selected by SamS, chosen by Wernard, sold in Coffeeshops in the 90, used in breeding by some seedbanks and by Tom Hill too. Haze#19.

Edit: if I was you I would use the OH on Nevils latest work. Probably the best way to preserve it.

It comes down to the method of preservation.....one method to replicate certain things relies on clones....the other locks them in seed form......there are other descendants of hazeA and hazeC about one generation removed....just locked down and not commercialized as much as the main ones...but once the main clones are gone they are gone...which is kinda of whats happened.
Iv personally managed to try some of nevils final work....and some of it in my opinion far surpasses any old Holland work floating about in the public eye....personally I would never put anything called and sold as ohz on to the best of it...it wouldn't beter it at all....but nothing wrong with trying to see.

ps...I think bc was sold as pure haze too in the shops

 

[RoyalFlush]

Its definetly a scam, avoid .

They ripped of Reeferman , Nevil and im sure a bunch of others.
They have fake pics and X's of Nevils strains and Reefermans.
pm charles scot on this website( Reeferman) and ask him about his how shady they are.

Sorry bud you're wrong there.
I wouldn't be pushing a thief's (R) lies.

 

[JohnnyChicago]

It comes down to the method of preservation.....one method to replicate certain things relies on clones....the other locks them in seed form......there are other descendants of hazeA and hazeC about one generation removed....just locked down and not commercialized as much as the main ones...but once the main clones are gone they are gone...which is kinda of whats happened.

Iv personally managed to try some of nevils final work....and some of it in my opinion far surpasses any old Holland work floating about in the public eye....personally I would never put anything called and sold as ohz on to the best of it...it wouldn't beter it at all....but nothing wrong with trying to see.

ps...I think bc was sold as pure haze too in the shops

You are right. I should have written "the easiest way to preserve it" instead of the "best way to preserve it" which is wrong as cannot know it.
But I have read great things about the effect of some phenos of Nevils latest work .Similar to what gets reported from my Seedsman, that is the reason why I wrote what I have written.
In addtition to be interesting becasue of the hazeA and C pedigree.

 

[ojd]

Sorry bud you're wrong there.
I wouldn't be pushing a thief's (R) lies.

I dont mean Reef is legit as know of many shady scams he has done , i just mean he was also ripped of by that website and they still try and sell Nevil's and Reef seeds as legit.

 

[Yo Sammy]

You are right. I should have written "the easiest way to preserve it" instead of the "best way to preserve it" which is wrong as cannot know it.
But I have read great things about the effect of some phenos of Nevils latest work .Similar to what gets reported from my Seedsman, that is the reason why I wrote what I have written.
In addtition to be interesting becasue of the hazeA and C pedigree.

There’s a huge difference between making seeds and preserving (parental) plants. Hence losing Haze A so early, before anyone was aware of its uniqueness nor its offspring…

 

[OldCoolSativa]

Yeah, I think it was revealed in this thread that Haze A was lost by mistakenly flowering the last clones. Classic stoner fuck up; I've done my share and lost clones. Which is why it's easier to preserve a line with seed. Haze C was clearly held closely by Nevil and then by Shanti, until it was gone. So it's great commercial value caused it to be held by too few people, therefore the plant was lost forever. It's so much easier to lose a plant than seed.

 

[Yo Sammy]

Yeah, I think it was revealed in this thread that Haze A was lost by mistakenly flowering the last clones. Classic stoner fuck up; I've done my share and lost clones. Which is why it's easier to preserve a line with seed. Haze C was clearly held closely by Nevil and then by Shanti, until it was gone. So it's great commercial value caused it to be held by too few people, therefore the plant was lost forever. It's so much easier to lose a plant than seed.

I would add a slight nuance
Haze C and many Hybrids were rescued and protected by the Southern crew when Nevil got busted in ‘90.
When Nevil returned to Holland he got everything handed back to him. His main interest was Haze C, the hybrids not so much apart from both NL#5Hz cultivars including the remaining A5 & C5 cuts.
All plants had backups apart from Haze C who was only held by Bonk until Nevil retrieved it.

 

[Limeygreen]

I would add a slight nuance
Haze C and many Hybrids were rescued and protected by the Southern crew when Nevil got busted in ‘90.
When Nevil returned to Holland he got everything handed back to him. His main interest was Haze C, the hybrids not so much apart from both NL#5Hz cultivars including the remaining A5 & C5 cuts.
All plants had backups apart from Haze C who was only held by Bonk until Nevil retrieved it.

Do you know or are you able to say why his main interest was in the haze c? I can guess, it seems to make great yielding hybrids with good attributes without the mental feeling of a5 in my very limited experience, and I haven't had either pure only hybrids so my view is probably skewed.

 

[@hempy]

Nevil told me more than once that he had made pure haze seed with the plants he managed to germinate and grow out from the seed he bought from Sam so its not like Nevil never preserved the genetics he started with he did that. He even reversed HzC and made HzC square.

The 67 female haze that never stopped flowering was also used to make seed with and he harvested seed from her 3 times now knowing Nevil each time would of been with a male on this branch and a different male line on this branch so he would of made lots of seed from that to.

All these seed were past to Shanti from the early Sk x HzA and on.

The only clone Nevil ever wanted back was the HzC.

If you go read threw Nevil's old posts at MrNice you will find a post from him saying that the very best found in 5HzA or 5HzC were not much different to what most would of found in a pack of 5HzC.

I haven't tried his new work yet i was offered the OutBack Haze soon as he made them i kept saying later as i was on a different path and Nevil kept telling me this is the best work i ever did and he did not just mean the OutBackHaze. He left a trail of great info on breeding i am surprised few have even brought it up.

 

[@hempy]

Do you know or are you able to say why his main interest was in the haze c? I can guess, it seems to make great yielding hybrids with good attributes without the mental feeling of a5 in my very limited experience, and I haven't had either pure only hybrids so my view is probably skewed.

HzA and HzC as were all the Hz siblings as Nevil put it but he never sold HzA crosses the HzC male was used to out cross and create most of the hybrids people grew.

The exceptions were Nevil's Haze were he out crossed HzA to Nl5 and then selected the NH mom 5HzA and then added HzC and the Mango Haze were the 5HzC mom 122 i think it is crossed to a SkxHzA as the dad.

I don't know of any other line were both A and C were used by Nevil but shanti would know .

 

[Koondense]

Yeah, I think it was revealed in this thread that Haze A was lost by mistakenly flowering the last clones.

Wait a second, both OH siblings selected by Nevil(A and C) were male plants, why and how could they be lost when put to flower if they don't produce female flowers? Something doesn't add up with this story, or am I missing something?

Cheers

 

[Nexus7]

Flowered for pollen perhaps?

Or reversed to female, flowered and harvested for seed?

 

[William76]

No it's the a5 and c5(nl xhz) haze a and haze c were lost way back.the ones lost at flower where as females of a5.76

 

[RoyalFlush]

Wait a second, both OH siblings selected by Nevil(A and C) were male plants, why and how could they be lost when put to flower if they don't produce female flowers? Something doesn't add up with this story, or am I missing something?

Cheers

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Dam....its like male plants do nothing.....eeerr to keep a male long term isnt easy....you normally have to keep taking cuttings.....where one is being used constantly cuttings would continually be put into 12/12 once rooted and a cliping taken for the next round.