The Haze discussion thread

[funkyhorse]

About Nevil sprouting 1000s of seeds, I remember DJ9 said it was just 100 seeds, I dont know if he is a legitimate source of info or not but sounds more reliable 7 out of 100 than 7 out of 1000, it doesnt matter what the price was

This past season I sprouted over 200 old seeds, more than half of them more than 12 years old and some of them containing haze genetics
90% of the seeds that made it past the cotyledon stage entered a mutation stage before growing normally, it takes at least 3-4 months in vegetative stage to get them going
Did Nevil speak of mutation stage in the germination of his 7 original plants or long vegetative stage?
If he did, then seeds were 16 years old. If he didnt it sounds like the 76 date is more accurate

 

[Donald Mallard]

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[TheDarkStorm]

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[TheDarkStorm]

About Nevil sprouting 1000s of seeds, I remember DJ9 said it was just 100 seeds, I dont know if he is a legitimate source of info or not but sounds more reliable 7 out of 100 than 7 out of 1000, it doesnt matter what the price was

This past season I sprouted over 200 old seeds, more than half of them more than 12 years old and some of them containing haze genetics
90% of the seeds that made it past the cotyledon stage entered a mutation stage before growing normally, it takes at least 3-4 months in vegetative stage to get them going
Did Nevil speak of mutation stage in the germination of his 7 original plants or long vegetative stage?
If he did, then seeds were 16 years old. If he didnt it sounds like the 76 date is more accurate

Sam used to sell by the killo.....I think dj said there were a hundred or so put down first go...one came up out of this....FH.....there were pleanty more seeds....the others came later...like A and C from next batch of seeds planted later. Hempy just put down some 15 year old seeds, I dont think the plants he picked took months to veg.....I think some seeds were odd so hempy culled them.....I grew some15 year old seeds awhile back, the were actually the most vigorous plants I had in awhile. But with old seeds you never know.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

He may well have been eager to sell the seeds, but I don’t think sam was destitute- remember he was part of the green team (wernard sent him the tickets to join them, because of the skunk) who were providing the coffeeshops all over Holland.
many many greenhouses.

I dont think that was the case afew days after arriving in holand....your taking within the first few days....so no skunk or anything had been grown yet...well certainly not in days....that all happened later.

I would like to see how many people when landing in a new country with mouths to feed... and you go to find someone to sell seeds too....this guy picks up your oldest seeds and say he wants those....with grands on the table and cheques in had....how many would say no and risk losing that money and the opportunity that comes with it in holland at the time...realy
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[mr.brunch]

I dont think they were that was the case afew days after arriving in holand....your taking within the first few days....so no skunk or anything had been grown yet...well certainly not in days....that all happened later.

I wouldn't like to see how many people when landing in a new country with mouths to feed... and you go to find someone to sell seeds too....this guy picks up your oldest seeds and say he wants those....with grands on the table and cheques in had....how many would say no and risk losing that money and the opportunity that comes with it in holland at the time...realy
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Ask the guy.
his trip was paid for by wernard etc , the green team was operational and producing/selling bud so I doubt they’d have left him hanging.
I think too many people have got hung up on the “he got raided and fled to Holland “ story
he didn’t, according to the people involved- he was invited.
it was old Ed (Holloway) who got busted and fled, bringing genetics from USA in the late 70’s if I recall.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

People are trying to make out breeders didn't know the score ...many breeders were trying to replicate the haze lines nevil was putting out....breeders popped lots of ohz seeds and tried to make similar hybrids....nevils pure haze came to be know as nevils super haze....a isolated haze archetype.... thats how it was at the time.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Ask the guy.
his trip was paid for by wernard etc , the green team was operational and producing/selling bud so I doubt they’d have left him hanging.
I think too many people have got hung up on the “he got raided and fled to Holland “ story
he didn’t, according to the people involved- he was invited.
it was old Ed (Holloway) who got busted and fled, bringing genetics from USA in the late 70’s if I recall.

But to make money ...you have to grow these new super strains....wich takes time.....why even have someone pay your ticket if you have doe...and how long do you want to live off someone else....old edd quickily went his own way....anyway your in a place to sell seeds and later make them.

 

[@hempy]

Sam used to sell by the killo.....I think dj said there were a hundred or so put down first go...one came up out of this....FH.....there were pleanty more seeds....the others came later...like A and C from next batch of seeds planted later. Hempy just put down some 15 year old seeds, I dont think the plants he picked took months to veg.....I think some seeds were odd so hempy culled them.....I grew some15 year old seeds awhile back, the were actually the most vigorous plants I had in awhile. But with old seeds you never know.

They were 18/19 year old seed Dark that i had made from 97 NH and i plan on running the Clones of these as there some very special NH that i found.

I expect the clones to show more vigor some showed more vigor than others in the group but i didn't see the vigor of the F1s in the F2s now that could be because of the seed age but my moneys on the inbreeding.

That dose not bother me as i was more concerned about preserving the work and seeing how my selections turned out and i am more than happy with the results so now on to F3s so i have them around a another 20 years. .

 

[mr.brunch]

But to make money ...you have to grow these new super strains....wich takes time.....why even have someone pay your ticket if you have doe...and how long do you want to live off someone else....old edd quickily went his own way....anyway your in a place to sell seeds and later make them.

As I have said before I have no axe to grind, I’m just reposting info. The green team was already shifting hundreds of kilos to coffeeshops, and I’m sure they didn’t invite people to help their project unpaid - they also paid for Ed rosenthal ticket too.
he may well have needed the money, but saying he’s destitute is an assumption too far.
Folks also act like they don’t want to sell stuff to peak interest and jack the price up sometimes….

 

[TheDarkStorm]

As I have said before I have no axe to grind, I’m just reposting info. The green team was already shifting hundreds of kilos to coffeeshops, and I’m sure they didn’t invite people to help their project unpaid - they also paid for Ed rosenthal ticket too.
he may well have needed the money, but saying he’s destitute is an assumption too far.
Folks also act like they don’t want to sell stuff to peak interest and jack the price up sometimes….

Quick question...do you know what strains the green team were selling in hundres of killos in 84....just out of interest....
Im not sure who said destitute...that would be a personal thing...who ever said that is making a assumption...I agree with that....unless someone knows person information first hand they shouldn't really say that.

 

[Donald Mallard]

I dont think that was the case afew days after arriving in holand....your taking within the first few days....so no skunk or anything had been grown yet...well certainly not in days....that all happened later.

I would like to see how many people when landing in a new country with mouths to feed... and you go to find someone to sell seeds too....this guy picks up your oldest seeds and say he wants those....with grands on the table and cheques in had....how many would say no and risk losing that money and the opportunity that comes with it in holland at the time...realy
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i guess folks can arrange things before they go somewhere,
even send stuff in the post ,
who knows it may not have been his first trip there and he pre arranged some things ,
just because he arrived in a specific year , doesn't mean what he had arrived that year too ,
i dont think it was his first trip out of his country , so he likely had a clue on how to go about these things ,
added to that , a person leaving their country permanently to settle somewhere else likely worked out how to survive there first,
right???
even i can think of that and im just an aussie from the bush .... lol ...

what is apparent is those years, that decade , was the golden years for pot and breeding in Holland ,
the right people , at the right time , with the right tools ,, amazing things can happen ...

 

[ojd]

Not sure of the intention of quoting my post

I respect your work and want peace amongst us all but I do call it how it is . There should be no sides amongst Haze lovers just difference of opinion. But we can’t have an opinion on certain Facts

My response to you was regarding the possibility that Nevil got thousands of seeds from Sams that were 66-70 stock . Common sense would reveal the probability but you as a breeder can speak from experience collecting and selecting

Im thankful to Nevil for all his work , I love his Haze hybrids and other works .

I love details and I love history, history has been written but has all the truth been told .

How a masterpiece is created is only important if you want to be a master .

1luvbigherb

I think my quote was very clear as i only quoted the part that i was talking about in my actual post , that we are very grateful that the seeds fell into Nevil's hands and not others as we might not even be in this thread talking Haze now.

I know you love Haze but i never even see you even grow a Haze before , or post any pics at all , unless ive missed them ?
so you got bags of piff , Church , pudday in USA which nobody even knows what they are , NL5 Haze ? , and your a Haze expert ?
you didnt even go to Holland untill Nevil had left leaving Amsterdam with near no decent Haze's left apart from a few things.

So you contacted the old Haze guys and your story is legit ? , when the Haze poster guy first turned up online for the first time ever i spoke with him and he did not confirm your story of Sam being involved , he saidnhe was a young guy who had no part of O Haze and was some young kid . he sent me a poster and this was before he reproduced the poster for sale , so your story is just another side of the story to me.
nice fabricated story you wrote but thats it.

 

[ojd]

Also any Haze experts who used to frequent Holland , it is clear to see the strains similar to Nevil's selections and the strains that are simular to O Haze selections , its not even 99 -1.
Nevil's work and offsprings of his work is world famous and O Haze is more for people who fell in love with Haze and then wanted to explore the pure version and again i love O Haze to smoke if its that 1 in 99 grail but alot of Hay to look through , alot.
Maybe the new selections and work can improve that and make it much more interesting for most.

im wating for 1 of you O Haze gang to find a superior O Haze selection and start circulating it amongst each other , then im all ears , but untill then its a personal hunt that some peoples taste buds and expectation of Highs are far different to others.
if the O Haze was that special , it would of been preseved like every other strain of elites has been since the early days , have you ever heard of a O Haze famous cut , even from Sam ?

 

[TheDarkStorm]

i guess folks can arrange things before they go somewhere,
even send stuff in the post ,
who knows it may not have been his first trip there and he pre arranged some things ,
just because he arrived in a specific year , doesn't mean what he had arrived that year too ,
i dont think it was his first trip out of his country , so he likely had a clue on how to go about these things ,
added to that , a person leaving their country permanently to settle somewhere else likely worked out how to survive there first,
right???
even i can think of that and im just an aussie from the bush .... lol ...

what is apparent is those years, that decade , was the golden years for pot and breeding in Holland ,
the right people , at the right time , with the right tools ,, amazing things can happen ...

I think he did a few journeys....but he did up and move country for the first time.


some people really dont want to believe facts....sam sold other seeds before they were bred in holland to nevil aswell...why would he not sell something he had the other half of too...he didnt know none would pop from that..... big herb do this....ask your haze crew contact were his big bag of seeds from 1969/70 are right now.......cuz sam was adamant they never had none left, why is that.....7 difrent varieties described by nevil....7 different pure haze variations show up in 1980/81 wen sam took over the haze line.......nevils description of one is recognized by sam as brians haze.....briains haze is on sams list from 80/81...so is burning bush....nevil pulls a accurate date no one mentions before and talks of a big bag of seeds that actually in reality did exist in 1969/70.......when sold to him he was told clearly the seeds are 15 years or older....it dont mater if the seller tells you or anyone else the sky is green years later......it dont even mater if the seller tells you he cant remember wat he actually sold.....cuz to me he remembers very well...including the actual day......if you took this to a court do you know what the outcome would be....

anyway time to move on from this.....this whole thread just keeps going over and over the same stuff again and again.....if some out sider read it he would think people are off their rocker here....and definitely have short term memory loss.....

 

[Thcvhunter]

Wait, I was told Nevils Haze is a NL x Haze, not a pure Haze.
either, he never got the pure haze, or he had the pure line and never sold it as pure even tho he may have listed it as the pure haze.

Neville did great work.
But he wasn't known for his integrity, thats why NL Greg denied him the pure cuts, so what Neville sold as NL5 was really NL5 x NL2 because thats what nDn Guy had and nDn Guy was the backdoor Neville used to get the cuts that Greg denied him. But Greg didnt trust nDn Guy either, so thats why nDn's cuts were already hybrids but he thought they were pure. It haplens a lot, still, in the industry.

Pretry sure, later on, Greg gave him the pure stuff. But that was well after Neville had started selling his work

 

[Donald Mallard]

I think he did a few journeys....but he did up and move country for the first time.


some people really dont want to believe facts....sam sold other seeds before they were bred in holland to nevil aswell...why would he not sell something he had the other half of too...he didnt know none would pop from that..... big herb do this....ask your haze crew contact were his big bag of seeds from 1969/70 are right now.......cuz sam was adamant they never had none left, why is that.....7 difrent varieties described by nevil....7 different pure haze variations show up in 1980/81 wen sam took over the haze line.......nevils description of one is recognized by sam as brians haze.....briains haze is on sams list from 80/81...so is burning bush....nevil pulls a accurate date no one mentions before and talks of a big bag of seeds that actually in reality did exist in 1969/70.......when sold to him he was told clearly the seeds are 15 years or older....it dont mater if the seller tells you or anyone else the sky is green years later......it dont even mater if the seller tells you he cant remember wat he actually sold.....cuz to me he remembers very well...including the actual day......if you took this to a court do you know what the outcome would be....

anyway time to move on from this.....this whole thread just keeps going over and over the same stuff again and again.....if some out sider read it he would think people are off their rocker here....and definitely have short term memory loss.....

and around and around they went ,, hahaha ,,

the court would toss it out due to lack of evidence,
"where is this bag labeled 1969 and now 67 ??" they would say ,
if it cant be produced , there was no bag ,,, lol ...

 

[mr.brunch]

Quick question...do you know what strains the green team were selling in hundres of killos in 84....just out of interest....
Im not sure who said destitute...that would be a personal thing...who ever said that is making a assumption...I agree with that....unless someone knows person information first hand they shouldn't really say that.

That would be a question for wernard/sam etc. As I have no idea.
if you check out olded.nl (translate button on there for English, little patchy) there’s info on there

 

[troutman]

Wait, I was told Nevils Haze is a NL x Haze, not a pure Haze.

Nevil's Haze is a 3/4 Haze.

(NL#5 X Haze A) X Haze C

It's one of those strains I wish I purchased back in the day when I 1st saw it in 1997.
Not sure, if it's anywhere near the same. Most strains aren't like they were either.

 

[bigherb]

I think my quote was very clear as i only quoted the part that i was talking about in my actual post , that we are very grateful that the seeds fell into Nevil's hands and not others as we might not even be in this thread talking Haze now.

I know you love Haze but i never even see you even grow a Haze before , or post any pics at all , unless ive missed them ?
so you got bags of piff , Church , pudday in USA which nobody even knows what they are , NL5 Haze ? , and your a Haze expert ?
you didnt even go to Holland untill Nevil had left leaving Amsterdam with near no decent Haze's left apart from a few things.

So you contacted the old Haze guys and your story is legit ? , when the Haze poster guy first turned up online for the first time ever i spoke with him and he did not confirm your story of Sam being involved , he saidnhe was a young guy who had no part of O Haze and was some young kid . he sent me a poster and this was before he reproduced the poster for sale , so your story is just another side of the story to me.
nice fabricated story you wrote but thats it.

Brother I’m not here to argue or put out negative energy, I got enough real life struggles to deal with . It’s disappointing your energy towards me

I respect your work but not your word , there is Soo much non truth in your post

You did not only quote the part of Nevil saying we should thank him . You quoted my whole post which shows proof / fact that Nevil said his first haze /FH/ first female was from 69 seed . It disputed hempy previous post about the plant from 67 which comes from this undisclosed interview Nevil did before his passing according to Hempy

As for My experience I’ve shared abit it’s not vast , check out (Nevilles Haze Outdoor) . It’s a thread at Thc farm:: website

There are pictures of two Phenos of Nevils Haze . I think you’ll appreciate the pictures, curious your opinion about them being actual Outdoor

Ive never claimed to be a Expert of any kind . I just shared the story I was told with permission of course . It also seems common sense is the sense least used when it comes to these conversations. After all the information available and post I’ve quoted that are written as fact , we can make educated guesses . While it seems most agree with what is most probable others are still continuing to add paint to the picture

which is why I asked you ojd the seed maker you have experience making and collecting , you can give your honest opinion from your experience. Did sams most likely collect thousands of seeds from Haze bros bag seed and abit of his wife’s trimming or did he produce thousands of seed through his preservation attempts ?

If Haze was kept in a small circle and seeds were not sold or shared unless it was part of a small circle how would Sams aquire thousands of seeds direct and what ever he did collect , why would he sell his most prized possession?

Next your opinion is just that , about the story I’ve shared , it’s not my story . Second Sams confirms it’s mostly true except some small facts . When you dispute something it’s usually because you have facts or another theory . Soo either speak or button up

I’m not sure where you see Sams involvement in the true origins article, ive just posted Sams RL and the 3 brothers from New Jersey had nothing to do with the creation of Original Haze . I won’t keep repeating myself

Next the kind fella who shared his poster here , is not grand daddy mike who later sold the poster

Soo everything you have to say above is wrong , I’ve provided Facts to prove it . It seems you have tunnel vision, If this is your opinion keep it there is no more to discuss

1luvbigherb