The Haze discussion thread
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Dankwolf
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If any thread can answer this qestion i hope its this one .
So i have sampled and have some seed left of a strian called m21 /mother 21. It is a haze for sure but cant find back ground on her .
She is 100% unique . it permeates a ferniture pollish lacquer terp that carries through heavaly when smoked
What is her back ground
Also gpt some crown royel seed left that are 20+ years old and xant find much info on . i have 5 or so seeds left and would like to find a way to save the genetics
So i have sampled and have some seed left of a strian called m21 /mother 21. It is a haze for sure but cant find back ground on her .
She is 100% unique . it permeates a ferniture pollish lacquer terp that carries through heavaly when smoked
What is her back ground
Also gpt some crown royel seed left that are 20+ years old and xant find much info on . i have 5 or so seeds left and would like to find a way to save the genetics
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
Hope this helps
sssc m21 = victor baarn
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=1381958&postcount=6
Sweet Heaven ( Heirloom Seed M-21)
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=74724
About Crown Royale
Crown Royal is an indica-dominant hybrid that blends two colorful and fruity strains: it is a cross between Blueberry and Purple Kush, both indicas themselves. Not to be confused with the Canadian blended whiskey of a similar name, Crown Royale is a tasty and potent strain with impressive landrace genes -- its grandparent strains include landrace varietals from Thailand, Afghanistan, and the Hindu Kush. This strain’s potency has been tested at between a modest 12% and an impressive 22%.
https://www.wikileaf.com/strain/crown-royale/
I don't need to be buying more seeds but this sure got my attention. I've had pretty good luck with MNS strains. In response to the haters, yes I have seen bananas but not often and usually explained by grower mistake. There was one The Doors plant in particular that took 120+ days to finish that was the most memorable weed I've ever grown. That and Zamaldelica are the only plants I've ever grown that left a sticky oil behind in the jar. That strain was part of the rock n roll series that came from the Haze AC line. There's not a lot of love for MNS anymore but I'm still tempted to give a pack of the Holy Grail a try. I've never used their auction site before but often times in this line of purchasing one must make a leap of faith.
I suppose that technically this comment belongs in the Haze Hybrid thread because their Haze AC line has NL and Skunk lineage but it sure can produce some Hazy plants. I beg for forgiveness from those I have offended.
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Dont take it wrong but I was looking for someone from IC that has tried it, I wouldnt have spent the money if I didnt find it intriguing but would still like to hear if anyone here has tried it. When I do it down the road I will post about it though.
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
Then go look in the vendor forum and go to Mr nice forum in icmag mate.
I did ran a search for MH and here is the link
https://www.icmag.com/modules/Find_Threads/index.php?stext=mango+Haze
your Welcome.
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
Offend away Peacefrog the truth is all that matters in my book if people cant handle the truth then they need to deal with it.
JohnnyChicago
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What happened to the pure Haze seeds he did make?
I can understand that for the holder of Haze A & C and creator of NH, it made not much sense to explore in depth the pure Haze. Also the market was demanding indoor friendly and good yielding stuff. And that's not what pure Haze is. Look at Seedsman OHaze sold for less than 2$ a seed. Not the very best seller...
He did make seeds with the female.
3 matings I think .But with NL and or NL x Ruderalis .
But no repro of the Burning Bush [Thai x Haze] he got from Sam .
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
Well i would assume they were made as back up but both Nevil and Sam have both said inbreeding haze is not the way forward.Nevil did inbreed haze results did not improve it.
The Haze hybrids Nevil produced like NH SSH that i grew were far from indoor Friendly.Plants grew huge and had explosive vigor and good to huge yield.Once they went into flower the daily growth was noticeable and the plants needed a large area to grow in you were dealing with plants that acted like sativas.
Not seen to many huge Ohaze plants from the Dutchman or from Seedsman but happy to be proven wrong.
Stewie !
You`re back again ? And no hint of an apology ...
Mango Haze ? It has lots of pheno types . Some very clean clear highs . Can be very good in the day time . Excellent for hiking , or physical activities .
Generally 100 days or more flower and lots of stretch . Susceptible to botrytis in wet weather .
Leet`s grow log of 12 / 12 Mango Haze from seed @ Mr Nice is a good reference . Lots of pics and descriptions .
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
How do you know what Haze Nevil got from Sam did Nevil tell you ?.
Burning bush was not Thai x Haze and most are becoming tired of the repeated miss information regarding both Nevil and Sam's work.
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
I've decided to start a new thread. It's a subject close to the hearts of many growers/breeders. It's something we need to take action on, BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE. We need to put aside our prejudices and ego's in this quest. It's all about the end result.
I'll give you my understanding of how to work with this variety.
As I said before, I got a total of 7 plants from the original seed stock. They were all different. The Original female (the one that I didn't keep a clone of) and Haze male A, may have been siblings, but just as likely not. Yet there was a common Haze like thread among all of them. This tells me that there was likely no pure haze among them. Haze did not improve when put back to itself as I was told and later discovered. People who think that B.C. is the hope for the future ( if it can be resurrected) are likely to be disappointed. A NL5xHzA would be the best mate for it to test this out. Haze males A+C were at best half brothers, but certainly shared a common ancestor, so my guess is that the inbreeding co-efficient to the haze ancestor in Nevil's Haze is at most 37.5%.
So if we want to go back to a Haze hybrid, we are looking for one not directly related to A or C. So don't talk to me about S.S.H. or Jack Herrer or Diesel or Sage (all the same plant). Double up HzC! I'm not saying that excellent plants can't be produced from inbreeding what we have, but we are going for the Ultimate (Grail). If anybody pinches this name I'll be pissed off.
This should start the ball rolling, I'll continue later.
N.
https://www.mrnice.nl/forum/57880-post1.html
Its right there in print for all of time (Haze did not improve when put back to itself as I was told and later discovered.)
So yes Nevil did make pure haze and did grow them out and did work out inbreeding haze did not improve Haze.
haze didn't get better when you inbred it. The NL5xHzC1 X Sk1xHzC1 Was not as good as the mother. The best I could do was combine the two different males over the NL5, and I put it out there.
Haze really needed to go to a good Buddah Thai lineage, but I could never find one good enough. Went to Thailand, but I couldn't find really good weed there anymore. I'm hoping that someone from Australia will have what we're looking for.
https://www.mrnice.nl/forum/57647-post103.html
The information has all be posted
I'll give you my understanding of how to work with this variety.
As I said before, I got a total of 7 plants from the original seed stock. They were all different. The Original female (the one that I didn't keep a clone of) and Haze male A, may have been siblings, but just as likely not. Yet there was a common Haze like thread among all of them. This tells me that there was likely no pure haze among them. Haze did not improve when put back to itself as I was told and later discovered. People who think that B.C. is the hope for the future ( if it can be resurrected) are likely to be disappointed. A NL5xHzA would be the best mate for it to test this out. Haze males A+C were at best half brothers, but certainly shared a common ancestor, so my guess is that the inbreeding co-efficient to the haze ancestor in Nevil's Haze is at most 37.5%.
So if we want to go back to a Haze hybrid, we are looking for one not directly related to A or C. So don't talk to me about S.S.H. or Jack Herrer or Diesel or Sage (all the same plant). Double up HzC! I'm not saying that excellent plants can't be produced from inbreeding what we have, but we are going for the Ultimate (Grail). If anybody pinches this name I'll be pissed off.
This should start the ball rolling, I'll continue later.
N.
https://www.mrnice.nl/forum/57880-post1.html
Its right there in print for all of time (Haze did not improve when put back to itself as I was told and later discovered.)
So yes Nevil did make pure haze and did grow them out and did work out inbreeding haze did not improve Haze.
haze didn't get better when you inbred it. The NL5xHzC1 X Sk1xHzC1 Was not as good as the mother. The best I could do was combine the two different males over the NL5, and I put it out there.
Haze really needed to go to a good Buddah Thai lineage, but I could never find one good enough. Went to Thailand, but I couldn't find really good weed there anymore. I'm hoping that someone from Australia will have what we're looking for.
https://www.mrnice.nl/forum/57647-post103.html
The information has all be posted
This brings back memories of following Nevil's contributions on the MNS forums many years ago. And all you Aussie dudes stirring up shit with each other like you do here! Good times indeed.
I'm latching on to the part where Nev said to double up on the Haze C. Having just ordered a pack of the Holy Grail with Shanti's description saying the Haze C could have been tripled I don't see how I can fail in this endeavor! I have totally validated the decision to once again give in to a strain description because of the possibility of what could be. When I die, somebody is going to find a pile of awesome genetics.
i have grown quite a bit of it over the years ,
i liked it , its both potent and tasty , and often has a particularly euphoric buzz about it ,
also despite elmers post above saying it suffered mold easily , i found the opposite when i grew it ,
a few plants went through weeks of heavy rain without even a sign of mold , true champions ,
i grew a paddock full of it the following season and they went through a cyclone that knocked many down , the only bud rot was on a few that were hanging on each other ,
so it certainly has the potential to withstand mold ..
F2F
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^^^ My experience with MH mold resistance was same as Donald. A SSH and Durban Poison grown out next to the MH got it. The MH was untouched. Could be timing - the MH bud formation lagged behind the others by a good month so most rain had passed by time MH started to fill out. Also, important to note Im referring to MH and not the MH IBL.
Cheers
F2F
Cheers
F2F
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I tried that search but didnt come up with that many hits. Thanks.
IT BEGINS 
Bandaid#7 x A5 from Karma
(Cuban Black Haze) x (a5/thai x Mirakel) x (A5)
Bandaid#7 x A5 from Karma
(Cuban Black Haze) x (a5/thai x Mirakel) x (A5)
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