I had that cut in my learning years, I hated that shit. The Funny thing is the people I got it from called it the "Original Crippy".
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I had that cut in my learning years, I hated that shit. The Funny thing is the people I got it from called it the "Original Crippy".
I'd love to see those! That sounds like it would be great.
Heres one that just got flipped.
Very vigorous and very easy growing compared to the 3 A5's I popped. 2 of the A5 were super runts. Probably getting the chop and I will pop more in the fall as my time is limited for this run but got 2 of the Bandaids and a Nevil's at 12 days and already shooting pistils.
Damn dude.
Go back and fix that post with some punctuation and formatting.
The little bit I read is all over the place too.
In the breeding program you describe above Sam, it sounds like you were selecting for one specific uncommon chemotype to the exclusion of all other traits.
It doesn't surprise me to hear that particular pheno had enough recessive traits in her to result in a basket case of problems when selfed further in that direction exclusively to S4. Yet I am sure you consider that part of the work a success. Right?
Had you been selecting for more typical commercial traits, I have no doubt that even starting with the same high THCV P1, you could have found yourself at S4 with a plant that was healthy and a viable candidate for ongoing commercial flower production if those traits were a priority.
Your solution to develop breeding plants from other lines that shared the trait and outcrossing them together was great. Thanks for sharing that experience.
I guess my point is that the results you got with selfing to S4 in that project should not be considered typical among the work that people here might encounter working with S4 seeds (selected by anyone with even average skill) for traits that make them suitable for personal or commercial THC flower production.
You set out to find a freak through selection and succeeded. It was the selection as much as the inbreeding that produced the results you ended up with.
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You need to learn how to explain story's better then
You didn't mention anything about your friend only liking Indica dom and wanting big yields as that's completely different from them just not growing well . Also to make it clear he dropped them to you but they were Dead before you got to try them so it was only your Indica loving Cash cropper friend who got to try them and of course someone into Indica early finishers wont like any of the extremely Sativa.
Also for the record the Mullumbimby Madness x Nevil Haze 21 was a huge yielder and the Swiss Thai x Nevil Haze was a nice yielder to.
I try not to post in this thread anymore and dont want to argue with anyone but show some respect especially the people who grow his strains but bad mouth him every other post
You didn't mention anything about your friend only liking Indica dom and wanting big yields as that's completely different from them just not growing well . Also to make it clear he dropped them to you but they were Dead before you got to try them so it was only your Indica loving Cash cropper friend who got to try them and of course someone into Indica early finishers wont like any of the extremely Sativa.
Also for the record the Mullumbimby Madness x Nevil Haze 21 was a huge yielder and the Swiss Thai x Nevil Haze was a nice yielder to.
I try not to post in this thread anymore and dont want to argue with anyone but show some respect especially the people who grow his strains but bad mouth him every other post
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Nevil told me he had given the NH to set friend as a back up but i don't think Nevil wanted them handed out and past along to people.
The guy did smoke sativas but for some reason started to get right into high CBD lines from shanti.
I hope you continue to post ojd i hope the mods put a stop to the trolling and end the crap.Clearly its been there goal to kill this thread from the get go.
@hempy
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How is a low yielding plant of any value to any commercial grower Raho and how is producing plants that have no ability to deal with environmental changes or pests advancing cannabis in any way.
A male contributes half the gean pool of that strain so by selfing only the female you have all ready lost Half of its ancestors. More importantly the male contributes a lot more than half the genetics.
that post was to starcrash who thanked me for it so you go back an fix it and you can fix your manners to while your at it
12 weeks to the day be interested to hear how much longer some of you hazexperts think she needs as im far better at smoking it than growing it lol
I don't think my post could have been any clearer Hempy.
Breeding is about goals.
Sam's goal was to create a strain that produced high levels of THCV exclusively. He reached that goal in a ridiculously small number of cycles through the use of cannabinoid analysis assisted selection and selfing.
Once he had accomplished that goal, he found his selections had also resulted in plants that expressed negative recessive traits.
Eliminating those phenos from the offspring was a simple matter of a single outcross with another plant that did not share the recessive trait. He took it further than that by breeding outcross lines with specific traits, but a single outcross could have stopped those expressions in the resulting F1 progeny.
Even though the genes for the traits would still exist in the offspring, they would never express because they recessive genes and need to exist in both parents. The negative traits would be masked.
You have a long history of preaching against the use of FEM pollen or selfing in breeding. This was a common perspective 7 years ago, but now we know that this bias is rooted in a legacy of bad practices, myths and ignorance that have been debunked by science for many years. Because of your old bias, your absolute certainty that what you think you know is right, I wouldn't expect you to understand what Sam was doing or what my post was about. You are either unaware of or stubbornly blind yourself to/deny the validity of many of the revelations/innovations that have become common knowledge/practice during your time away from the canna-web the last 7 years or so.
I'm not saying that the breeding discussion I am trying to have with Sam is common knowledge in our community, it's not.
Breeding is about goals.
Sam's goal was to create a strain that produced high levels of THCV exclusively. He reached that goal in a ridiculously small number of cycles through the use of cannabinoid analysis assisted selection and selfing.
Once he had accomplished that goal, he found his selections had also resulted in plants that expressed negative recessive traits.
Eliminating those phenos from the offspring was a simple matter of a single outcross with another plant that did not share the recessive trait. He took it further than that by breeding outcross lines with specific traits, but a single outcross could have stopped those expressions in the resulting F1 progeny.
Even though the genes for the traits would still exist in the offspring, they would never express because they recessive genes and need to exist in both parents. The negative traits would be masked.
Sam's selections from the selfed line had nothing to do with yield.
Sam never mentioned that as a specific goal of his selections. All breeders measure success against their own goals, not what other people expect or want. My point is that if he had started out with a goal of using selfing to create a plant with ability to deal with environmental changes or pests, he could have just as easily accomplished it using the same methods. I think that is the part of my post you do not understand.
You have a long history of preaching against the use of FEM pollen or selfing in breeding. This was a common perspective 7 years ago, but now we know that this bias is rooted in a legacy of bad practices, myths and ignorance that have been debunked by science for many years. Because of your old bias, your absolute certainty that what you think you know is right, I wouldn't expect you to understand what Sam was doing or what my post was about. You are either unaware of or stubbornly blind yourself to/deny the validity of many of the revelations/innovations that have become common knowledge/practice during your time away from the canna-web the last 7 years or so.
I'm not saying that the breeding discussion I am trying to have with Sam is common knowledge in our community, it's not.
You're right harvest. I didn't mean for that to come out as blunt and humorless as it did. I apologize.that post was to starcrash who thanked me for it so you go back an fix it and you can fix your manners to while your at it
thankyou brother respect to you,, takes a man to apologise
Just as with any plant observe the trichomes. Cloudy with some amber. Amber isn't going to make a 12-16 week strain magically turn into an indica pumpkin. It will tell you when she's ripe and ready for the taking. I would take at 10% amber maybe up to 20%. I think its mostly filled in but you still have pistils looking like they need more time. I definitely wouldn't think she needs more than 2 more weeks from the pic.
thanks lostribe i took a small cut of her before for a test but didnt keep notes had it 12 to 14 from memory she looked like she needs another week to me but two could be interesting i dont have a luope so cant see trichomes easily she was straight speedweed on the test which i like ,ll reassess her next week maybe ill take some an leave rest see if theres much diffrence thanks for your imput
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I´d love to hear your opnion...and everyones else ..of course
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PS: I know I´ve had several questions unanswered...sry about that...I´ll do when I have the time
When there's no shiny or silver looking heads left is what I look for.. The more cloudy the heads the whiter the flowers look. If you don't have anything else you can take pics to look at heads.
@hempy
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Again Raho How is a low yielding plant of any value to any commercial grower Raho and how is producing plants that have no ability to deal with environmental changes or pests advancing cannabis in any way.
A male contributes half the gean pool of that strain so by selfing only the female you have all ready lost Half of its ancestors. More importantly the male contributes a lot more than half the genetics.
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By s4 the plants are seriously screwed up and many are functionally sterile dose that sound like a positive to you Raho.
Mask the recessive negative traits is not fixing things and if you delete them what else is deleted a long with the recessive negative traits ?.
A male contributes 50% of the geans but it also plays a important role in keeping the next generation healthy do you know what that is Raho.
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