The growing large plants, outdoors, thread...

[Shcrews]

Every yr when I do the accounting BD is the plant that makes me the most money per plant. Never have a problem selling it

I could not have a strong feeling of enthusiasm or excitement for a blue dream garden. Like I said, IMO only.

Blue Dream is a good cash crop but i feel where 50-yard is coming from. A strong sense of enthusiasm is necessary to grow the best plants possible. If you really like BD then sure, but if you are just trying to make easy money then we have different goals. I would rather make a couple bucks less and still have a garden that makes me happy, rather than having a boring garden but a bit more money. The plants get big regardless.

none of the elite cuts really interest me anymore but if somebody likes growing blue dream then more power to them. I'm going to try some BD crosses this year, those excite me more than the cut.

 

[Shcrews]

Blue Dream is the first thing off the shelf in the clubs, I would know as I'm a partner in several.

maybe in the bay but not in socal.. down there they dont even like to call it blue dream

must be about time to start a new thread, i keep getting a "redirect loop" whatever that means?

end of an era.

 

[Feb2006er]

Techniques from

How to Grow World Record Tomatoes

by Charles H. Wilber.

The book presents things in a jumbled order, and is frequently confusingly worded. I've tried to find all the techniques and present them in the order you would use them.

Compost

Make two compost bins, side by side, from "dog wire" (1x2" wire mesh). The bins should be 4 feet high and 4-6 feet in diameter.
Start with a 3 inch deep layer of dry, coarsly ground "hay" of kudzu (or other legume) and sudex (or other fibrous material). Water evenly to moisten. Put 2 inches of cow manure or 1 inch of chicken manure on top, then 1/4 inch of garden soil, a sprinkling of colloidal clay and either granite dust or wood ashes.

Repeat the layers, including shredded green kudzu (or other legume) in the "hay" layers, until the bin is full and rounded. Cover with a tarp to protect from rain. Water pile by hand as needed to keep moist.

Every 3 days (or as often as the interior reaches 160 degrees), use a pitchfork to transfer the pile from one bin to the other, taking care to move the outside layers of the old pile to the interior of the new pile. After two weeks, turn once a week until no more heating occurs. Store in barrels, garbage cans, etc. for up to three years, adding water as needed to keep moist.

Green manure

Plant rye and hairy vetch in the fall where tomatoes will be planted in the spring, mowing and tilling in 30 days before planting crops. After tilling in, cover the planting area to protect from rain, so the ground isn't too wet at planting time.
Planting and mulching

Plants will be set 5 feet apart.
Dig a hole 24 inches wide and 6 inches deep, reserving the soil to refill the hole. Dig the hole 6 inches deeper and scatter that soil around the garden. Mix 1 part compost to 3 parts reserved soil (skim soil from the surface elsewhere in the garden to supplement the reserved soil as needed) and refill the hole with that, firming as you fill, and leaving a depression in the center where the plant will go.

Pinch off all leaf stems except the top pair, but leave the buds to produce suckers. Set the plant at its original depth, just barely covering the root ball.

Make a 4 foot wide, 1/4 inch deep band of compost or well-rotted manure along each side of the row, one foot away from the plants. Cover that lightly with alfalfa meal, till them together, and smooth.

Mulch is made from baled straw that has weathered for a few months. Break a straw bale into square mats several inches thick. Consider the plant the center square of a 3x3 grid. Put straw mats in the 8 outer squares, pressing the edges together firmly to make a weed-proof barrier. Fill the center square with finely chopped leaves or straw about an inch deep.

Watering and caging

The watering system is made of 10 foot sections of 3/4 inch PVC pipe. Along one side of the pipe, drill one 3/32 inch hole every foot. Connect pipes into 40 or 50 foot lengths as needed. Cap one end, and attach a hose fitting to the other. Lay a pipe on the mulch on each side of the row, one foot from the plants, with the holes pointing down. Keep the soil under the mulch moist, but not soggy. Fertilize young plants with compost tea.
When the plants are tall enough to need support, form a cage from 6-inch mesh concrete reinforcement wire 5 feet by 9 feet. It should have 19 vertical (5 foot long) wires. Form it into a cylinder 5 feet high and 3 feet wide, joining the ends with hog rings. Move the watering pipes out from the plants enough to set the cage over the plant, on top of the mulch. 24- to 30-inch lengths of rebar, each with a hook welded on one end, can be used like tent pegs to anchor the cages. For each cage, hammer three pegs (spaced evenly around the cage) into the ground so that the bottom of the peg is inside the cage, and the hook rests securely over the second wire from the ground. To support the plant while it is small, insert 3 bamboo sticks through the cage so that they form a triangle enclosing the stem of the plant, and tie them to the cage.

The first pair of water pipes should now be just outside the cages, and a second pair of pipes should be added 3 feet further out.

Pruning

Below the main fork of the plant, allow 6 suckers to grow, and allow each of them to fork once, yielding 12 growing tips. Allow the tips of the main fork to fork into 3 tips each, for a total of 18 growing tips per plant. Tie one tip loosely to the outside of each vertical wire of the cage. Use soft, 3-ply string and tie just below a leaf axil. As they grow, keep them trained to their vertical wires.
As other suckers grow, if they come from a strong section of the vine, allow them to grow until they produce a flower cluster, then pinch the tip out of the sucker. Otherwise, pinch out the whole sucker. If the sucker is already more than 1 1/2 inches long, pinch the tip instead of removing the whole sucker.

As the vines grow up, you may want to stack a second cage on top of the first, attaching with hog rings. On stacked cages, you should use guy wires for extra stability.

Maintenance

For best results, measure the center growing tip of your average plant. A normal rate of growth might be 1 to 2 inches a day, depending on variety. If the rate changes suddenly, a problem is indicated. Check moisture levels (for too wet or too dry) and try adding compost, which is good for most problems.
Never touch wet leaves. Remove diseased foliage from the garden and do not compost it. Use a torch to sanitize your cages each year.

Containers

Tomatoes can be grown in half whiskey barrels or similar-sized containers. Use the same 1 part compost to 3 parts topsoil, fine mulch, caging system, and watering system as for growing in the ground.







I tried to get people interested in this method the first or second year of this thread but no real interest. My largest outdoor plant '05 thread was grown using some of these methods. Everyone said I was lying about 15lbs of cured nugget, but I wasn't. The kudzu compost mixed with chlorella powder made it veg out of control. I swear by this method. With the right strains I think 20lbs could be possible.

 

[Lochinvar]

i see both sides of the blue dream argument. ive grown a handful of them for years in my garden. no problem selling at all. given, the clubs havent seen my buds for 10 years. this year will be the first year i will not be growing it. the reason why, is that my cut seems to be the first plants in the garden that sucumb to soil born pathogens and russets. it is a large yielding plant, but so are many, many others. i do love the smoke though. blueberry x haze are amazing genetics. and by the way, blue dream is not my largest yielding or easiest plant to grow and finish correctly. i guess im over it, but we had some good times. on to other things

 

[jd123]

I LOVE BLUE DREAM. I did 24 of them this year alone. Shit..I grew 36 of them last year and wish I would have again!

Blue dream always has and always will, have a spot on my farm. People can grow all the finicky, super cool hipster strains they want...I'll stick with old faithful.

I also remember when I almost fell for the hype and replaced my normal BD plots with some new flashy shit the clubs were raving about. Then I remember an old quote from T. Hill. It was something like "cuts that consistently produce like blue dream and salmon creek, might come around once in twenty years" or something along those lines.

Squashed my thoughts of replacing them quick like.

 

[bamboogardner]

Tahoe OG

Tahoe OG

Greetings brothers and happy new year to everyone. Question for the NorCal group. I lost my prized Tahoe OG mom that was giving me 7 plus per hole. So I see that several of the commercial clone chuckers in the bay have Tahoe's available such as Dark Heart Nursery, Burning Bush and Midnight Farms. Anyone have any experience with those? It will take me a while to replace that mom, but I do need to grow some outdoors this season, hence the question on the clone chuckers. Thanks guys.

 

[HorseMouth]

Knocking the Blue Dream is pitiful. When you start a post with 'This sucks, or that sucks' then throw in the IMO, I find that pretty sucky.

Blue Dream is what I recommend to every single first time OD grower. Bar None. It is in fact the perfect beginner strain to gain traction in this ever changing Ganja World. The consistency and hardiness is what everyone starting out needs to build upon.

Questioning Growers dedication and passion b/c of the strain they choose to grow is not why this thread was started.

Peace

 

[WoodFired Pizza]

Questioning Growers dedication and passion b/c of the strain they choose to grow is not why this thread was started.

Peace

but thats the best way.

 

[mendo420]

You guys all grow small plants.........

 

[Lochinvar]

You guys all grow small plants.........

way to generalize. not everyone puts pics on the introweb. pride comes before a fall

 

[50YardLine]

You guys all grow small plants.........

I know right? Most people in this thread are not really part of the game. People getting booty hurt because I talked bad about Blue Dream, lol. I have grown hundreds, possibly thousands of strains, and blue dream is a great strain. I personally love the high, the ease of growth ext. However, I enjoy a challenge. Having grown tens of thousands of plants over the last 20 years, blue dream remains one of the easiest plants to grow. Over those 20 years, I enjoy the challenge of a good 120 day flowering haze over boring blue dream. Just my two cents, sorry people can't handle that.

I guess I will try not to contribute to this penis swinging thread. I will make my own. Sad this thread continues to be all about ego, and little about real information.


I wonder if on wine websites, if somebody says pinot noir isn't fun to grow, if the whole thread turns to personal attacks? I am guessing not.

 

[50YardLine]

Greetings brothers and happy new year to everyone. Question for the NorCal group. I lost my prized Tahoe OG mom that was giving me 7 plus per hole. So I see that several of the commercial clone chuckers in the bay have Tahoe's available such as Dark Heart Nursery, Burning Bush and Midnight Farms. Anyone have any experience with those? It will take me a while to replace that mom, but I do need to grow some outdoors this season, hence the question on the clone chuckers. Thanks guys.

I have grown the Tahoe Og from Dark Heart, and it's very nice. Huge outdoor plants. Good luck finding what you want.

 

[TheOutlawTree]

50 yard line- Do you already own 40-200 acres that is zoned ag? I assume if you have been growing for 20 years and 10,000 plants later and a thousands of different strains- you would have a very nice piece of farm property and setup. Hell why not a couple large forever flowering greenhouses? Your pictures are not backing up your claims.

Its not that you talked 'bad' about blue dream, its that you said anyone who's growing blue dream has no passion. That doesn't make any sense. I'll bet i have just as much passion for growing as you... But who's to say and why does it matter anyway? I'm just here to learn. Hopefully the mods dont close this thread again because of your arrogant attacking comments.

 

[Babbabud]

lets take the negative energy somewhere else please. Let try to keep a nice positive vibe on this awesome thread Remember what mamma said ... if you cant say something positive .. then just keep it to yourself thanks

 

[50YardLine]

lets take the negative energy somewhere else please. Let try to keep a nice positive vibe on this awesome thread Remember what mamma said ... if you cant say something positive .. then just keep it to yourself thanks

So we can't even state what strains we DON"T like? Wow.

 

[50YardLine]

50 yard line- Do you already own 40-200 acres that is zoned ag? I assume if you have been growing for 20 years and 10,000 plants later and a thousands of different strains- you would have a very nice piece of farm property and setup. Hell why not a couple large forever flowering greenhouses? Your pictures are not backing up your claims.

Its not that you talked 'bad' about blue dream, its that you said anyone who's growing blue dream has no passion. That doesn't make any sense. I'll bet i have just as much passion for growing as you... But who's to say and why does it matter anyway? I'm just here to learn. Hopefully the mods dont close this thread again because of your arrogant attacking comments.

Good enough for you? Or do I have to take a picture of every plant I ever grew for evidence for some random people on the internet?

By the way, why are you asking me to come set up a drip system for you if your so experienced? Why are you insulting somebody your asking for help non stop in PM's?

Fact is, I said nothing about anybody personally, you need to re-read what I said and then soak it in. Nothing negative was spoken about any grower, just my personal taste in growing Blue Dream. On top of that, I was talking about mono cropping blue dream, so your statement is so far off I don't even know where to start......

BTW - Forever flowering is a good company, but they got nothing on Farmtek. That is the only place I buy my greenhouses from. Check out the s-1000 blackout model, best in the biz.

 

[Babbabud]

How bout you take your personal beef somewhere else ... this is the growing large plants thread ... You want to post your personal qualifications for another member then please do it in PM cause the rest of us really arent interested.

 

[Bud Green]

How bout you take your personal beef somewhere else ... this is the growing large plants thread ... You want to post your personal qualifications for another member then please do it in PM cause the rest of us really arent interested.

Truth!!!

 

[Bud Green]

The Moderator has nicely told everyone twice to cut out the negativity in this thread...

We ought to listen to him and get back to the business of this thread..

 

[Sluicebox]

Kick Ass Green Houses! Farmtek has it going on. I've been eyeballing that s500 basic in a 30'x48' for 12 trees, as you can build on it later with light dep kit. I'd just be dreaming considering that s1000 light dep, can't even find a price on it. Imagine it's custom quote only. I would like to know though if you set those up yourself or hired them to do it? I'd hate to f'k that kit up, and your's look pro done. Would also like your opinion on the double layer film, as it looks like your using it, (worth it?) Roll up or drop down sides?

Lastly 10'x10'x12'H spacing per plant ok in a greenhouse? Even then I imagine they would fill in pretty tight. Organics, raised beds is my plan.

Impossible to grow large outdoors Pac NW 45 lat consistently year after year. Lucky at best. Have to have a greenhouse to pull it off. Hat's f'n off to ya, those are nice. Particularly that Gothic with the roof vent pack and hard end walls! Seriously I've been looking at them, have a pic of one next to my mirror in bathroom and above my res'. So I can see when I wake up as well as when I water.Keeps me motivated to do my best now. Your the first I've seen in these Forums running one. Plants look happy by the way, speaks volumes, very little of that has to do with the house. I'm jealous.