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The growing large plants, outdoors, thread...

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It's easy to yield big off a 200gal smartie treating it like an indoor plant dumping bottled nutes on it, Its a lot harder with just compost tea and foliars. You really have to have you're soil on point.
 
Although I like growing indoors in the off season I'm already chomping at the bit for next years outdoor. No where's near done trimming or making hash but can't stop thinking about next year. Its in my blood. Just went through my seed collection and got amped!
 

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Although I like growing indoors in the off season I'm already chomping at the bit for next years outdoor. No where's near done trimming or making hash but can't stop thinking about next year. Its in my blood. Just went through my seed collection and got amped!

me too man, still processing 2014 harvest and setting up indoors, but I have lots of Bodhi seeds for next year and I am already fantasizing about growing them hhaha
 
me too man, still processing 2014 harvest and setting up indoors, but I have lots of Bodhi seeds for next year and I am already fantasizing about growing them hhaha

I've been looking at bodhi for something different for a few plants next year but can't decide on what to get yet. That ancient og turned out good for ya. I thought I remembered someone saying the dream beaver also. They all look pretty good
 

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The Neem Cake has arrived at Rare Earth in the 530. Plenty of it too. They are still waiting on the Crustacean Mix (Crab and Shrimp) which should arrive this week. Mixing of the Coot Mix begins end of next week. Another lab sample being sent to Logan Labs, but next week's blend should be ready to go and peeps can purchase then. Michael Astera did a Rx on the mix that will be blended next week. They are mixing in 20 yard batches, with a new lab sample for each batch. They are also in the process of obtaining a blender for the soil so it is mixed properly. Just a FYI for those champing at the bit.
 

jazzyjsd18

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Man, this thread sure has blown up since I last logged on. So much reading to catch up on. Glad to see most of you had a good season! These last few pages of skimming have me sketched on moving back up north, though. Maybe I'll just stick with my indoor down south lol
 
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Do any of you guys just dig the earth and plant in? Could this be done once in a fertile area and then add amendments the following year?
Does everybody either buy pre mixed / custom soils or add lots of their own amendments to existing soil? What are the pros and cons of either method?
What kind of average yield do most people get from 200 gallon smarties? I know it'll depend whether ya growing cookies or blue dream but for an average, normal yielding plant?

thanks for any help

You can check my outdoor thread for details and pics on planting into native soil. The main con to this is that you usually only see good fertility in the top 6" or so. Below that you'll usually run into clay which is usually acidic/lacking fertility elements. Setting up drip irrigation in a footprint as wide or wider than the actual plant will help you get the most out of the topsoil. If you go the fabric pot route you'll be able to get a rich mix in the entire volume of soil, but you'll use considerably more water. 20% of soil volume during hot days isn't uncommon with big plants (40 gallons water/200g smart pot).
 

OldRod

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SativaBreather, you can go with native soil but knowledge about it is not easy to share in post or two.
Giving you advice for native soil is not simple as giving it for soil recipe. Mother nature already mixed it.
Dont go too much clay, not too much sandy, not too much acidic or peat rich.
Picking native soil you picking location too, sometimes these two does not cooperate very well.

Run of clay and run of pitchpine also run of wood peat.

If you can find mostly sandy soil with peat and some clay.
However, if you dig, do it no more of 40cm deep but 2m wide.
 

redlaser

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OldRod, what do you mean by run of clay, run of pitch pine and run of clay? Does run= none at all or small amounts?
 

GrassMan

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lol How many peeps does it take to run that? Wow...
Grassman,
NICE tree farm!
If that's a one horse operation, I do NOT want to be that 'horse'.....
:biggrin:
It takes 3 full time workers plus me that I’m in the farm a couples of days a week. Busy with other projects…

whats the plan for a trellis support grassman?
I asked for cages in the beginning of the grow but they didn’t want to buy. They told me that they will tie the branches to the trellis support… crazy job! So now the workers are tying all braches…

So funny that you say easy to manage when you have no experience with that scale. There's literally nothing easy about it, great grow grass man
Indeed, nothing easy to manage. Thanks for the appreciation.



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Peace
 

SativaBreather

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You can check my outdoor thread for details and pics on planting into native soil. The main con to this is that you usually only see good fertility in the top 6" or so. Below that you'll usually run into clay which is usually acidic/lacking fertility elements. Setting up drip irrigation in a footprint as wide or wider than the actual plant will help you get the most out of the topsoil. If you go the fabric pot route you'll be able to get a rich mix in the entire volume of soil, but you'll use considerably more water. 20% of soil volume during hot days isn't uncommon with big plants (40 gallons water/200g smart pot).

thanks cep i will definitely check your thread out - is an american gallon 4 litres? if so you looking at 160 litres per pot? everyday?
16000litres of water a day or 160gallons in your money for 100 smartpots
and a 1/5th less if direct in soil?

SativaBreather, you can go with native soil but knowledge about it is not easy to share in post or two.
Giving you advice for native soil is not simple as giving it for soil recipe. Mother nature already mixed it.
Dont go too much clay, not too much sandy, not too much acidic or peat rich.
Picking native soil you picking location too, sometimes these two does not cooperate very well.

Run of clay and run of pitchpine also run of wood peat.

If you can find mostly sandy soil with peat and some clay.
However, if you dig, do it no more of 40cm deep but 2m wide.


thanks old rod

some friends of mine cover their ground with 18 month old cow manure and dig that in over winter - what do you think of that?
 

Yes4Prop215

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damn grassman they didnt want to give you guys trellis? thats gonna be a TON of tying up to do, but hey if you got 3 guys on salary put them to work!

once the higher ups get the labor bill for that trellis job they are gonna wish they paid for cages lol...
 

epicorchard

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It takes 3 full time workers plus me that I’m in the farm a couples of days a week. Busy with other projects…


I asked for cages in the beginning of the grow but they didn’t want to buy. They told me that they will tie the branches to the trellis support… crazy job! So now the workers are tying all braches…


Indeed, nothing easy to manage. Thanks for the appreciation.

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Peace

Awesome work!!!

Maybe I'll rethink leaving california for oregon. As a certified member of the tribe, I think I might pack my yamaka and head to Israel. Is the permitting and licensing process crazy regulated?
 
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2st4this

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incredible awesome grow, nice work :tiphat:
are they cuts or did you select and breed seed plants?
its late in the year and finished or?
best regards!
 

GrassMan

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Hi all,
Thanks for the comments. Much appreciate
is that in spain or israel grassman? nice wherever it is but just wondering
This grow is in Israel, in the middle of the desert.

@ Grassman, Wow! That's some greenhouse, killer work.
That right there is my dream!
Rep + grass man
Hope you the best on your dream hunt. Wasn’t easy to me to arrive where I am.

damn grassman they didnt want to give you guys trellis? thats gonna be a TON of tying up to do, but hey if you got 3 guys on salary put them to work!
once the higher ups get the labor bill for that trellis job they are gonna wish they paid for cages lol...
That’s what I wish. Hopefully, next grow I’ll get cages.

Awesome work!!!
Maybe I'll rethink leaving california for oregon. As a certified member of the tribe, I think I might pack my yamaka and head to Israel. Is the permitting and licensing process crazy regulated?
Regulation is crazy and unstable. During the next months the game rules will changes. The Government will give 9 licenses. It will be a “public tender?”. As I know, there are more than 80 projects applied. Government contacts is a must to have an option…
I don't own a license. I'm working as production manager or growing consultant depending on the project... that could be an option to you.

incredible awesome grow, nice work :tiphat:
are they cuts or did you select and breed seed plants?
its late in the year and finished or?
best regards!
90% of the grow is from clones.
I have been told that it was impossible to grow on regular season due to extreme temps. They used to do two grows per year: first starting at September (what you see) and second starting on February.
During the day now, temps are around 28Celcius. During the night a turn on the heating for a few hours (20l diesel per hour).
...but next summer, I'll try to show them how to grow inthe summer...

Peace.
 

OldRod

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OldRod, what do you mean by run of clay, run of pitch pine and run of clay? Does run= none at all or small amounts?

I mean on basic compound of native soil.


thanks old rod

some friends of mine cover their ground with 18 month old cow manure and dig that in over winter - what do you think of that?

I see search engine at icmag works good, ha ? :)
Well, I think that fermentation is important, so 18 months is good but more important is with what these cows have been feeded.
Quality of fertilizer as that depends of what that animal eat.
Also cow manure (mosty) have straw mixed in it.
Hence that, it is great playground for fungus but also it makes soil airy.
However, it doesnt have enough fertilizers in it to grow big plant, but if you have some chicken manure (pigeon is better) you are already on the way to make something of that cow manure.
So putting cow manure on basic clay soil wont do so much and you gonna fail.
If its native soil basically sandy you can try with mixing it.

Hey at least its not easy to make something of pure shit. :tiphat:


GrassMan, I must join to the congratulations since it is nice set up at impressive size.
 
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