The 2020 Presidential Election

[Zeez]

Altered reality.

 

[knucklehead bob]

Sanders Supporters Are Getting Nervous – It Looks Like Hillary Could Be Rigging The 2020 DNC Convention

https://gopdailybrief.com/sanders-hillary-2020-dnc/?fbclid=IwAR3PDNXM01PAnW35fLKq9A6JIoG7--8v9Pi1R_FifMUii6kq9OimnYSfros

It Looks Like Hillary Could Be Rigging The 2020 DNC Convention again

 

[Cannavore]

Shit Bernie will have 50% tax rates for the middle class, and I hear a 40+% national sales tax also. Get ready for grinding poverty. I bet middle class people taking home half what they make will be ready to put Bernie's head on a pike. But but but you will save 14$'s a year on healthcare. You are definitely going to need that healthcare when you are eating out of garbage cans, and living in cardboard boxes.

Meanwhile the millionaires, and billionaires will be chilling in Switzerland, living the high life.

50% tax for the middle class meanwhile his top tax rate is 52% on income over 10 million lol okay.

same goes for the 42% sales tax.... no such policy has ever been suggested.

 

[Absolem]

Shit Bernie will have 50% tax rates for the middle class, and I hear a 40+% national sales tax also. Get ready for grinding poverty. I bet middle class people taking home half what they make will be ready to put Bernie's head on a pike. But but but you will save 14$'s a year on healthcare. You are definitely going to need that healthcare when you are eating out of garbage cans, and living in cardboard boxes.

Meanwhile the millionaires, and billionaires will be chilling in Switzerland, living the high life.

If Bernie is the Dem nominee this will be one of the primary attacks against him along with the "democratic socialism" label.

A candidate only has so much time to discuss what they will do for America. If a candidate is on the defense spending 30-50% of their time/energy explaining what certain words mean it's an uphill battle to win.

 

[packerfan79]

from TDS to BDS
he's going to do all these horrible things, the country won't survive!
FUD - fear, uncertainty, and doubt
we won't get those things, most people know it

It's called math. I know it's not your strong suit. But try to keep up. Our federal budget is around 4 trillion annually. Bernies m4a alone will double it. Where does that money come from? Don't forget the military budget you guys want to eliminate will get you 860 billion (that's a complete elimination of any military, so no assistance to the UN, no NATO, no disaster relief, nothing) . You still come up over 3 trillion short annually, just adding m4a. That doesn't include almost 10 trillion per year for the green new deal, and 1.5 trillion to pay off the student debt. Throw free college and we quickly get to 20 trillion a year in spending. The funniest part is, their is no accounting for lost GDP, and tax recipients due to the inevitable recession.

As soon as Warren started answering questions on cost, her campaign tanked. Bernie is smarter, he's just refused to answer. Doesn't change a thing.

I would actually feel bad for Bernie , if he didn't whore himself out for Hilary Clinton in 2016. How the fuck do you endorse the bitch who screwed you?

@ Canavore this can be a response to your post also, just because an octogenarian communist says it's so, means nothing. The math doesn't add up. The middle class will become the peasant class. The millionaires and Billionaires, have the means to leave, we don't. Unless you are on board with the gulag, re-education camp, guillotine Bernie campaign staff crowd. Imagine that, communist want to imprison, or kill people they disagree with. That's never happened before, lol. (Sarcasm I know it's hard for you to understand it)

 

[packerfan79]

If Bernie is the Dem nominee this will be one of the primary attacks against him along with the "democratic socialism" label.

A candidate only has so much time to discuss what they will do for America. If a candidate is on the defense spending 30-50% of their time/energy explaining what certain words mean it's an uphill battle to win.

Awe. how cute you still think the DNC will allow Bernie to get the nomination. Don't forget superdelegates are back on the first ballot. The DNC couldn't play it straight for 1 single, solitary election. All it took was a check from an old white billionaire.

Does it bother you that your party can be bought for 300k?

I guess when you are broke, and corrupt it's pretty easy to sell out your voters

 

[igrowone]

It's called math. I know it's not your strong suit. But try to keep up. Our federal budget is around 4 trillion annually. Bernies m4a alone will double it. Where does that money come from? Don't forget the military budget you guys want to eliminate will get you 860 billion (that's a complete elimination of any military, so no assistance to the UN, no NATO, no disaster relief, nothing) . You still come up over 3 trillion short annually, just adding m4a. That doesn't include almost 10 trillion per year for the green new deal, and 1.5 trillion to pay off the student debt. Throw free college and we quickly get to 20 trillion a year in spending. The funniest part is, their is no accounting for lost GDP, and tax recipients due to the inevitable recession.

As soon as Warren started answering questions on cost, her campaign tanked. Bernie is smarter, he's just refused to answer. Doesn't change a thing.

I would actually feel bad for Bernie , if he didn't whore himself out for Hilary Clinton in 2016. How the fuck do you endorse the bitch who screwed you?

@ Canavore this can be a response to your post also, just because an octogenarian communist says it's so, means nothing. The math doesn't add up. The middle class will become the peasant class. The millionaires and Billionaires, have the means to leave, we don't. Unless you are on board with the gulag, re-education camp, guillotine Bernie campaign staff crowd. Imagine that, communist want to imprison, or kill people they disagree with. That's never happened before, lol. (Sarcasm I know it's hard for you to understand it)

same old, same old
if we don't listen to you and your numbers we're all doomed
fear/trash talk looses its sting after a while
and remember, when Bernie is president, he's your president too
sleep tight matey

 

[Absolem]

Awe. how cute you still think the DNC will allow Bernie to get the nomination. Don't forget superdelegates are back on the first ballot. The DNC couldn't play it straight for 1 single, solitary election. All it took was a check from an old white billionaire.

Does it bother you that your party can be bought for 300k?

I guess when you are broke, and corrupt it's pretty easy to sell out your voters

Your reading compression could use some improvement if that's what you got from my post.

Sorry chap. But a political party or candidate doesn't define who I am as a person.

It's clear on these threads you and several others here derive a sense of self worth/importance through a political candidate/party.

 

[packerfan79]

Your reading compression could use some improvement if that's what you got from my post.

Sorry chap. But a political party or candidate doesn't define who I am as a person.

It's clear on these threads you and several others here derive a sense of self worth/importance through a political candidate/party.

I just see the shitshow that is the Democratic party. I don't take you seriously, your logic is in line with a 5 year old. "I want it give it to me, waaaaaa."

Enjoy the failure again.

 

[Absolem]

I just see the shitshow that is the Democratic party. I don't take you seriously, your logic is in line with a 5 year old. "I want it give it to me, waaaaaa."

Enjoy the failure again.

I've owned a small successful business the last 20 years. While you were all fucked up on drugs I was doing the things you wished you could.

GFY

 

[Microbeman]

Shit Bernie will have 50% tax rates for the middle class, and I hear a 40+% national sales tax also. Get ready for grinding poverty. I bet middle class people taking home half what they make will be ready to put Bernie's head on a pike. But but but you will save 14$'s a year on healthcare. You are definitely going to need that healthcare when you are eating out of garbage cans, and living in cardboard boxes.

Meanwhile the millionaires, and billionaires will be chilling in Switzerland, living the high life.

And yet when one compares the tax and debt ratios per capita to other countries like Canada that already have operated programs such as Sanders proposes for years, we see a different story.

Canada's tax rate is virtually the same, albeit lower by a percentile or two. Her debt is 5 times less. The probable reason for the debt difference is attributed to the US military size and that she spends double on medical costs, despite supposedly having a free enterprise medical system.

There are many who criticize the Canadian healthcare system's efficacy but it appears to go toe to toe with the US one, except in Canada one can go to any hospital and see any doctor. [if willing to make the trip and wait]

Like in the US, those with money can go to a for profit doctor but why would they when the best operating rooms and surgeons are found in India, Mexico, Italy and Russia at a fraction of the cost.

All the hype about socialism is connived fear mongering. It is so unfortunate that so many believe it. On the flip side, some of the so-called progressive ideas are just as bad and just as heavily indoctrinated.

There is no reason to not use means tests such as tax returns to qualify people for programs rather than broadcasting everything for everyone.

 

[Microbeman]

And yes mr D I know I am repeating myself ad nauseam with hopes of getting the point across. I do believe in math and science. [and humanity] It can work.

 

[Cannavore]

John Kerry overheard discussing potential 2020 bid amid concerns over Sanders: report
https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...cussing-potential-2020-bid-amid-concerns-over

 

[White Beard]

I've owned a small successful business the last 20 years. While you were all fucked up on drugs I was doing the things you wished you could.

It’s funny that he mentioned “5 year old logic”: a friend has an autistic 10yo who argues just like a “Republican”: there is no spin it will not manufacture in pursuit of outrunning reality - and no amount of fact, observation, demonstration, explanation, or exposure to reality will derail it, and it is endless when it gets on a tear. Exhausting, exasperating, futile.

John Kerry overheard discussing potential 2020 bid amid concerns over Sanders: report
https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...cussing-potential-2020-bid-amid-concerns-over

Stunning. I don’t even believe in the end times, but here we are, at least at the end of the way things have been (more or less) since 1865 in this country. Whichever way it goes, things will be different.

 

[Bud Green]

^^

just wondering, but are you referring to your friend's autistic ten year old child as "it"?

 

[packerfan79]

I've owned a small successful business the last 20 years. While you were all fucked up on drugs I was doing the things you wished you could.

GFY

Good for you. I am doing exactly what I want to do. Raising a family I love. I have no jealousy. Sorry, I could careless what you were, doing. Hate to disappoint you.

 

[packerfan79]

And yet when one compares the tax and debt ratios per capita to other countries like Canada that already have operated programs such as Sanders proposes for years, we see a different story.

Canada's tax rate is virtually the same, albeit lower by a percentile or two. Her debt is 5 times less. The probable reason for the debt difference is attributed to the US military size and that she spends double on medical costs, despite supposedly having a free enterprise medical system.

There are many who criticize the Canadian healthcare system's efficacy but it appears to go toe to toe with the US one, except in Canada one can go to any hospital and see any doctor. [if willing to make the trip and wait]

Like in the US, those with money can go to a for profit doctor but why would they when the best operating rooms and surgeons are found in India, Mexico, Italy and Russia at a fraction of the cost.

All the hype about socialism is connived fear mongering. It is so unfortunate that so many believe it. On the flip side, some of the so-called progressive ideas are just as bad and just as heavily indoctrinated.

There is no reason to not use means tests such as tax returns to qualify people for programs rather than broadcasting everything for everyone.

Canada has like 37 million people. We are almost 10 times the size.Canada has drastically higher taxes than we do.

Socialism is evil, it's the ideology of greed, envy and theft. No fear mongering, just reality. If you want to take what another man has earned. you are no better than a common thief. Voting for the government to do it, only makes you a coward thief.

 

[Microbeman]

Canada has like 37 million people. We are almost 10 times the size.Canada has drastically higher taxes than we do.

Socialism is evil, it's the ideology of greed, envy and theft. No fear mongering, just reality. If you want to take what another man has earned. you are no better than a common thief. Voting for the government to do it, only makes you a coward thief.

I said per capita. I'm sorry Packer. I tried to be civil with you but you are a real dimwit who cannot follow logic and only knows how to dish out smart ass comments and insults.

 

[Microbeman]

Be it known that Packer will turn down any SS payments. Of course he will say they won't exist when he qualifies.

 

[packerfan79]

I said per capita. I'm sorry Packer. I tried to be civil with you but you are a real dimwit who cannot follow logic and only knows how to dish out smart ass comments and insults.

I look at the facts. This is America, not Canada. If you are so inclined, move to Canada. The bonehead ideology of the Democratic Socialist is just as evil as regular socialism, and communism.

I am a dimwit because I prefer to keep the money I earn, what does that make you?

Socialism, always has been, and always will be theft of individuals labor. Theft is immoral, socialism is immoral.