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The 2020 Presidential Election

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Cannavore

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I look at the facts. This is America, not Canada. If you are so inclined, move to Canada. The bonehead ideology of the Democratic Socialist is just as evil as regular socialism, and communism.

I am a dimwit because I prefer to keep the money I earn, what does that make you?

Socialism, always has been, and always will be theft of individuals labor. Theft is immoral, socialism is immoral.

Socialism = means of production seized by the proletariat where everyone receives the value of their labor and not a "wage"

Communism = stateless, classless, moneyless society


you're crying socialism over standard down the line left wing policies and welfare statism, lol. bernie's policies are neither socialist or communist.

i wonder what you'll say when this country has actual socialists running for office
 

Cannavore

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Wow...

Warren destroyed her campaign last night when she took a shot at Roberts. Mukowski cited it as the reason she will vote against witness tipping the balance in favor of Trump because of Warren's question without naming Warren. She wants to end the circus.

She will be demonized by a lot of people on left for this.

warren destroyed herself by attacking bernie. the polls immediately showed this. after that debate where she snubbed bernie with the obviously planted hot mic, she has plummeted.
 

Cannavore

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I do not buy that continuous population growth is necessary for a government funded medical system with sliding scale premiums to work. This system would be fluid and flex with [gradual] population size change.

I agree that the tech industry re; phones etc. is out of control. So long as I can get the latest Android to discuss the protection of the environment, I'm happy.

Thankfully there are some advances in larger lithium batteries which have them outlasting lead batteries by ten times.

in the case of social security, it's as simple as removing the cap on taxable income for the program. it's currently capped at $117k or something like that. meaning any money you make higher than $117k goes completely untaxed by social security. in other words george soros is taxed for SS only on his first $117k while someone who makes $117k for the entire year is paying the same into SS but at the cost of 100% of their income.
 

gaiusmarius

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warren destroyed herself by attacking bernie. the polls immediately showed this. after that debate where she snubbed bernie with the obviously planted hot mic, she has plummeted.

she made a mistake there for sure. Bermie is the one politician where that card won't work. this guy is on video preching to kindergarten girls that they can be president, hes literally a champion of womans rights, he actually marched and in 2015 he told warren to run, meaning he believed she a woman could win, she declined to run, so he did and was cheated by the dnc and the rest is history.

Warren stabbing Bernie in the back like that destroyed her and cnn went down to collateral damage, for the biased way they handled the whole thing. after Benrie says no i never said a woman can't win the presidency, the cnn shill is like mrs Warren, how did you feel when Bernie said a woman could never be president? it was so obviously biased the audience laughed out loud. but yeah, it didnt work, he broke fund raising records on that day so to speak and has gone on to the top of the polls. he has more small donations then anyone. more importantly i have a feeling that when he says he is anti war, i think he means it and will do all he can against the military industrial arms complex lobbyists and special interests.
 

h.h.

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If healthcare and education are viewed as a commodity, it is socialism.
Bernie is a Democrat. (X,Y) quadrant.
Trump is in the (X,-Y) quadrant.

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Economics of racism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics_of_fascism
 

Hammerhead

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You would think by now people would know what Socialism is. When your dealing with so many uneducated people what do you expect lol. We should start calling it Bernieism lol.
 

Gypsy Nirvana

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Socialism

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
 

'Boogieman'

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You would think by now people would know what Socialism is. When your dealing with so many uneducated people what do you expect lol. We should start calling it Bernieism lol.

Calling it democratic socialism makes me believe that true socialism is the goal even if Bernie is not exactly trying to implement true socialism now. I do believe this will eventually lead to socialism.
 

Hempy McNoodle

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It is quite clear to me that the DNC and establishment are pushing FOR Bernie Sanders, at this point. The soft attacks and 'hot mics' are strategic because they all know that their ship is sinking fast and they know that Sanders is a means for the DNC to maintain it's place in politics. They understand that he can be a lame duck for them (harmless) he has already shown his loyalty to the corrupt DNC elite. They are absolutely desperate to beat Trump and they know quite certainly that Bernie is their only chance. Michelle Obama wont jump in, with investigations as far along as they are now. Look at the 'attacks' on Bernie and how they are so blatently designed for the purpose of boosting him up. John Kerry says to a reporter that he should run against Bernie and then says nevermind? Really?

One way to know for sure, if it continues...
If the 'attacks' continue, then the establishment media and dems are obviously doing it intentionally, because we have all seen the pattern and trajectory ie. 'Attacks' = Bernie boost.
So, they should stop attacking him right? Will they? Bernie is already the establishments new primary candidate. His supporters just haven't realized it yet.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...cussing-potential-2020-bid-amid-concerns-over
 

Badfishy1

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she made a mistake there for sure. Bermie is the one politician where that card won't work. this guy is on video preching to kindergarten girls that they can be president, hes literally a champion of womans rights, he actually marched and in 2015 he told warren to run, meaning he believed she a woman could win, she declined to run, so he did and was cheated by the dnc and the rest is history.

Warren stabbing Bernie in the back like that destroyed her and cnn went down to collateral damage, for the biased way they handled the whole thing. after Benrie says no i never said a woman can't win the presidency, the cnn shill is like mrs Warren, how did you feel when Bernie said a woman could never be president? it was so obviously biased the audience laughed out loud. but yeah, it didnt work, he broke fund raising records on that day so to speak and has gone on to the top of the polls. he has more small donations then anyone. more importantly i have a feeling that when he says he is anti war, i think he means it and will do all he can against the military industrial arms complex lobbyists and special interests.


Bernie cucked in ‘16 and will again in ‘20. Nothing more than lining his retirement fund. The Russian hacker Seth Rich exposed the DNC fuckery while working for Bernie. If he had a hair on his sack he wouldn’t have rolled over the way he did. He will do it again this year.
 

Hempy McNoodle

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The establishment needs someone who can immediately fire Bill Barr. Bernie is their only hope at this point. Michelle Obama would be the establishments preference, but with the investigations closing in, it is just too risky and fruitless. Bernie has the 'appearance' of being 'outside' of the DNC's sphere of criminality.
 

Cannavore

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Calling it democratic socialism makes me believe that true socialism is the goal even if Bernie is not exactly trying to implement true socialism now. I do believe this will eventually lead to socialism.



it's not even democratic socialism. this is why 99% of political labels are pointless in this day and age.

democratic socialists are anti-capitalist and want to actively move away from capitalism through democratic means.

bernies a social democrat despite what many of his supporters and even himself say.

only in America is tax payer funded social programs considered socialist.
 

Zeez

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Many here think Europe is socialist and that national health care is socialist. In fact, national health care is just your tax dollars doing something for you - for a change. It's no different than schools, police, fire etc. The people who are sending out the propaganda on this are the mafia boys who now own much of the country with this scam and don't want to loose it. In the 50s and 60s hospitals were built with tax dollars.
 

Microbeman

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Many here think Europe is socialist and that national health care is socialist. In fact, national health care is just your tax dollars doing something for you - for a change. It's no different than schools, police, fire etc. The people who are sending out the propaganda on this are the mafia boys who now own much of the country with this scam and don't want to loose it. In the 50s and 60s hospitals were built with tax dollars.

Thank you. This is what I keep attempting to communicate.
 

Gypsy Nirvana

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Here - everyone working has to pay for their National Insurance - and that's levied at a very small percentage of earnings - a few percent - but of course - the more you earn - the more you actually pay - but its still a very small percentage of what you earn - so hardly noticeable to most people -
 
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