The 2020 Presidential Election

[bigtacofarmer]

What gets me is when they ram it down your throat instead of changing your minds. That can lead to bad choices that do more harm than help.

Case in point is the outlawing of beef. Sure beef are bad in confined farming operations but on the field if done right they benefit the whole ecosystem.

When a cow farts and releases methane that is because they have not had the right food given to them. They need more carbon such as dead grass.

Out on the range when cows are moved correctly they have a chance to spread out their manure. That manure is eaten by many things. Such as the dung beetle which takes it under ground and then the worms feed on it and the bacteria ect.

They trample the dead vegetation down to the ground. This dead vegetation if left standing leads to a starved soil system. This eventually leads to desertification. By grazing the land all this organic matter is returned to the soil and causes it to thrive.

But it must be done with out over grazing. You need to leave enough live plants matter so that the plants can regrow quickly. Large scale farming does not rotate fast enough with enough time in between to recover. It also feeds the wrong food to the animals.

So if you out law cattle you actually destroy a large chunk of land. Instead go after what is causing the problem and educate them. That is not what I see happening though. It is more a do it my way I am right and if you don't you will be punished.

https://youtu.be/4Z75A_JMBx4

In my opinion. These are the type of people we should put in charge.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Ahhh....... so you agree that it's time to abandon the failed 2 party paradigm?


2020
Anyone but a Republican or Democrat

We agreed on that long ago.

Then you started throwing shade on liberals and defending Trump's idiocy.

Somewhere during that transition you decided I was a Democrat and was thusly deserving of derision.

I quit believing that you are disgusted by both parties around that point.

I don't believe that the DNC wants Bernie to win. They already proved it to me last election.

I think corporate America has every intention of getting a puppet who will play ball into the oval office.

In my eyes Bernie is the only one who has the balls to state the problem.... and fix it.

Nomination or not I will vote for him.

 

[Zeez]

Bernie is going to win, with or without the nomination...

Or it's time for a revolution.

Warren shot herself in the foot with her "You just called ma a slyer on national tv".

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

A quick google

https://e360.yale.edu/features/open-for-business-the-trump-revolution-on-public-lands

https://www.outsideonline.com/2277446/public-lands-war-timeline

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/green/news/2019/03/20/467548/13-5-million-acre-lie/

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...nt-management-plan-blm-oil-gas-drilling-trump

You do realize that this is part of the strategy to get out of the middle east right? Does extraction affect the environment over there? Yes. Equally? Yes. But, if you add war and death and misery it becomes clear that extraction here is less destructive than it is overseas. So, the net results is that Trump is pushing a 'greener' vision. War is aweful for the environment and the US military is the single largest consumer of fossil fuels and one of the worlds worst polluters. This is the kind of basic logic and analysis that I find lacking in the nevertrumpers.

 

[bigtacofarmer]

The strategy should be getting away from fossil fuel.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

But muh billionaires and stock profits

 

[Ichabod Crane]

https://youtu.be/4Z75A_JMBx4

In my opinion. These are the type of people we should put in charge.

I like him but I think he over grazes a little to much. He needs to leave a little more on the grass. He says that you shouldn't over graze so he has that correct. So just a disagreement on how much.

Watch this video on Greg Judy. Look at the grass he is leaving and the grass he is putting his cattle on. That is how much should be left. It is not wasted he uses it in the winter to feed the cattle. But he takes more then but still leaves the field covered so it can recover quickly in the spring.

Love how he treats his land and cattle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtNvxT8rFV0

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

The strategy should be getting away from fossil fuel.

And we will. But, first, the deepstate must go.

And, I for one totally share your vision of a kinder agricultural society. I want to homestead and live a simpler life and share what I've grown. But, royals don't like it one bit.

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

Hempy McNoodle
2024!

 

[h.h.]

The strategy should be getting away from fossil fuel.

https://www.alaskahighwaynews.ca/bu...t-in-chetwynd-project-has-investor-1.24055796

 

[Microbeman]

You do realize that this is part of the strategy to get out of the middle east right? Does extraction affect the environment over there? Yes. Equally? Yes. But, if you add war and death and misery it becomes clear that extraction here is less destructive than it is overseas. So, the net results is that Trump is pushing a 'greener' vision. War is aweful for the environment and the US military is the single largest consumer of fossil fuels and one of the worlds worst polluters. This is the kind of basic logic and analysis that I find lacking in the nevertrumpers.

Okay - whatever you say. You might ask yourself who gave him these things to give away to the moneyasses?

 

[Microbeman]

And we will. But, first, the deepstate must go.

And, I for one totally share your vision of a kinder agricultural society. I want to homestead and live a simpler life and share what I've grown. But, royals don't like it one bit.

Please tell who EXACTLY is your deepstate.

If you truly wanted to homestead, you would be doing it. I did. I know other folks, some members here who are.

 

[ESTERCHASER]

LOL he's an independent.

ive been around bernie for 40 years, if anything he is a socialist plain and simple, prob is communism does not work! watching him growing up he never seemed to stand out from anyone else as a politician.
In fact i wouldnt vote for him! I dont trust anyone who thinks politics in this day and age is a good vocation. That and his wife is a ripoff artist who gets away with it cause bernies constituants act like this couple pisses excellence. Just another new york hippie who moved to vermont to push his socialist agendas...which in NYC area he came from woulda been laughed at.

 

[Absolem]

The deep state is anybody who doesn't like Trump.

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

Please tell who EXACTLY is your deepstate.

If you truly wanted to homestead, you would be doing it. I did. I know other folks, some members here who are.

Deep State: A monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations. Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed.

 

[Microbeman]

Deep State: A monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations. Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed.

This says absolutely nothing of what/who you believe it to be. You dodged the question. I imagine I knew a lot about the deepstate when you where in diapers or even before but please humour me.

You have only given some ghostly definition. I would also like to hear how you think trump is separate from the deepstate that you see.

Be patient, I won't check your work until later.

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

The deepstate is a criminal complex. It has been estimated to have aproximately 60,000 operatives per country. Currently, and unprecedentedly, there are over 100,000 sealed indictments in the US Justice Department right now.

 

[Zeez]

Trump says "even though they're trying to impeach the son of a bitch".

Didn't anybody tell him. ------- He's already impeached.

 

[Paddi]

ive been around bernie for 40 years, if anything he is a socialist plain and simple, prob is communism does not work!

Seen from most of EU, he´s not a socialist at all.
On a good day, maybe a rightwing social-democrat
Socialism is not the same as communism.
I agree. Communism failed most places


Just my 5c


P

 

[mean mr.mustard]

ive been around bernie for 40 years, if anything he is a socialist plain and simple, prob is communism does not work! watching him growing up he never seemed to stand out from anyone else as a politician.
In fact i wouldnt vote for him! I dont trust anyone who thinks politics in this day and age is a good vocation. That and his wife is a ripoff artist who gets away with it cause bernies constituants act like this couple pisses excellence. Just another new york hippie who moved to vermont to push his socialist agendas...which in NYC area he came from woulda been laughed at.

Socialism isn't communism and Bernie isn't for either, he's a democratic socialist.