The 2020 Presidential Election

[Cannavore]

You give leftist to much credit. The leftist who lead, use the system to enrich themselves at yourexpense. . They use government control of everything to secure their position. Capitalism ensures freedom of choice, competition, innovation and freedom to become what you are willing to work for.

Remember under capitalism you are free to not purchase their products. Unlike the perfect example of leftism, Obamacare government forcing people to buy a product. Or better yet ,M4A, where you literally have no choice. The money will be removed from you, with no choice to purchase, or not. Oh, you resist time for a jail cell.

You are describing neo-liberalism which isnt leftist. These people aren't leftists they just pretend to be so they can limit the level of discourse.

"Choice" in health insurance is an illusion. Why do you need to choose when you should simply have the best care possible which is what M4A is. When you pay your car insurance do you describe it as a reduction of choice and a use of force? I doubt it.

Also what choice do you have now or had before ACA? The choice between Aetna Humana and blue cross blue shield? Especially those who have employer health care where your employer switches providers all the damn time without any input from the workers. Is choosing between Pepsi and coke really a choice?

 

[beta]

The Overton Window has been shifted so far to the right that everyone thinks that corporate bootlicking capitalists are 'leftists'.

We truly live in hellworld.

 

[beta]

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[Cannavore]

They underestimate the power of the bully pulpit. Bernie is going to publicly and financially back and endorse Democratic primary challengers who are on board with him. It's going to piss off all the centrist dems and I cant wait.

 

[beta]

Nope. He just says it and trots on.

 

[beta]

 

[Zeez]

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

10 posts arguing over a word were binned - keep it on topic lads -

 

[Jellyfish]

I apologize for calling a racist a racist.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Why do you need to apologize - if you feel so sure about it? -

I apologize for calling a racist a racist.

 

[Lrus007]

Obama’s Secret Stay Behind Army

Obama’s Secret Stay Behind Army - St. Paul Research

https://stpaulresearch.com/2019/10/3...y-behind-army/

Marty Robinson, October 31, 2019


It’s the most powerful three-letter agency in government.

More powerful than the CIA, the NSA and the FBI.

In fact, it’s so powerful it has its own seal and its own flag.

And no, it’s not the FDA, the SEC, or the IRS.

And it’s not part of Homeland Security or FEMA… Although its tentacles reach deep into every one of those agencies.

The mainstream media rarely mentions it by name... So most Americans have no idea it even exists.

But thanks to an obscure executive order and the secretive, if not treasonous, actions by former President Barack Obama…

It’s become the hidden force behind the coup of a duly elected president and the ongoing “complete transformation of America.”

And only by exposing it and bringing it out of the shadows, will it ever be stopped.

You see, on December 15th, 2015, six months after Donald J. Trump declared his candidacy for president and began to rise in the polls…

Former President Barack Obama signed what at the time, appeared to be an innocuous executive order.

However, Obama’s intentions were much more complex and sinister.

Because with that single executive order, Barack Obama launched an accelerated purge of thousands of American patriots from virtually every government agency — including our intelligence services and the military —while replacing them with party loyalists and political operatives loyal not to the country and the Constitution, but to him and his globalist and progressive-socialist agendas.

It was a purge of patriots and a takeover of government that began early on in his first term…

A purge that began by transforming an obscure federal agency hidden deep within the bowels of government, into what soon became a private, stay behind army.

An army of political operatives committed to two things:

The complete political, cultural and economic transformation of America as promised by Barack Obama during his 2008 presidential campaign.

And the overthrow of a Donald J. Trump presidency should he be elected.

The Department of The Deep State


The Senior Executive Service, or “SES,” was created on September 19, 1979 during the Carter administration.

It was originally formed to professionalize career civil service, while attracting the nation’s best and brightest in an effort to improve and modernize the management of the federal bureaucracy.

A position within the “SES” is considered the equivalent to general officer or the flag officer ranks in the U.S. Armed Forces.

For that reason, they are often referred to as our “civilian generals.”

Their pay scale starts above the top level of civil service (GS-15), with base salaries ranging from a minimum of $127,914 to a maximum of $192,300.1

Ostensibly, the SES was to be a corps of non-partisan, career managers who serve as the executive management of federal agencies…

Their job being to implement policy, not create it.

At least it was until then President Barack Obama changed that with a mere flick of his pen...

Making SES members nearly impossible to fire, once hired.

To say Obama’s transformation of the SES into an army of political operatives was effective would be a gross understatement.

There are more than 2 million federal government employees. And at the top of that pyramid are approximately 8,000 SES (Senior Executive Service) employees who service as the professional managerial class linking our political leaders to the civil service rank and file.

And Barack Obama as president, replaced more than 6,000 members of the 8,000-member SES during his two terms, assembling what became a stay-behind army of political operatives…2

So how pervasive is the SES?

Here’s a list of the number of SES employees that were embedded in the following government agencies at the end of Obama’s 2nd term in 2016:

Department of Education – 86
Department of Housing & Urban Development – 115

Department of the Air Force – 182

Department of Labor – 200

Department of State – 204

Department of Transportation – 231

Department of Interior – 258

Department of the Army – 261

Department of the Navy – 326

Department of Veterans Affairs – 357

Department of Agriculture – 361

Department of Commerce – 425

Department of the Treasury – 458

Department of Health & Human Services – 468

Department of Defense – 478

Department of Energy – 490

Department of Homeland Security – 639

Department of Justice – 821

All Other Agencies (all non-Cabinet level agencies) – 1,796

And it wasn’t just a purge of patriots from governmental agencies…

Obama’s purge of the military was especially damaging to our national security, as he literally gutted the command structure of the U.S. military.

Not to mention the demoralization of the ranks due to his policies of radical political correctness.

In all, Obama’s patriot purge included 9 Senior Commanding Generals, 2 Nuclear Commanders, 197 high ranking Senior, General and Flag Officers, along with thousands of non-commissioned officers…

With perhaps the most glaring example being the firings of U.S. Army General Carter Ham and Rear Admiral Chuck Gaouette..

Red September…
Obama’s Benghazi Stand Down Order

General Carter Ham was relieved as head of U.S. Africa Command because he defied Obama’s “stand down” orders to not mount a rescue mission in response to the Sept. 11, 2012, attack in Benghazi.

And Rear Adm. Chuck Gaouette, commander of the John C. Stennis Carrier Strike Group, was relieved for disobeying orders when he sent his group on Sept. 11 to "assist and provide intelligence for military forces ordered into action by Gen. Ham.”

And as damaging as Obama’s purge of the military was, it was his takeover and transformation of the Department of Justice, the F.B.I. and the Intelligence Agencies that raise the greatest threat to America today.

Because instead of being tools for implementing the policies of the president and the United States government…

They’ve become the defacto 4th Branch of Government and are now dictating and carrying out their own policies, while openly subverting and sabotaging those of a duly elected president.

But, before we go any further, please understand this…

Barack Obama was not the architect of these changes, merely the front-man in charge of carrying them out as the Deep State and Shadow Government’s placeholder president.

And that’s the root of President Trump’s problems…

Trump: America’s Last President

You see, in the post 9/11 world, we’ve transferred far too much power to the office of the president.

And that’s created a very big problem for the Deep State and our Shadow Government.

Because the one thing they can no longer ever allow to happen…

Is to have an outsider not under their control, become president.

And Donald J. Trump is definitely an outsider who is not under their control.

That’s why they launched their “insurance policy,” before President Trump was even sworn into office.

You remember their “insurance policy,” don’t you?

The one orchestrated by Obama’s secret stay behind sleeper cell…

Located on the 7th floor of the Truman building in Washington D.C.

The “insurance policy” that Peter Strzok (the FBI’s Chief of Counterespionage), referred to in the now infamous text he sent to FBI attorney Lisa Page.

It was “Plan B,” just in case Trump was elected.
It’s what the Steele Dossier, the Mueller Investigation, the entire Russia-gate hoax and their current impeachment witch-hunt is all about... Because as far as the Deep State and our Shadow Government are concerned…

The office of The President of the United States of America as we know it, no longer exists.
A real President…
Like JFK, or Reagan?
No longer acceptable.
You saw what happened to both of them.
No Dear Reader, they’re not looking for Presidents any more…
Nor will they tolerate one.
Especially one picked by you and not by them

 

[Hammerhead]

TRUMP VS THE TRUTH
https://www.nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/trump-and-truth


His dark materials: Trump's war on truth gets sicker, and more dangerous
https://www.salon.com/2019/11/05/hi...-war-on-truth-gets-sicker-and-more-dangerous/

Donald Trump’s war on facts is the latest play in a long-established tradition to create a post-truth reality.
https://theconversation.com/donald-...adition-to-create-a-post-truth-reality-125755

 

[Absolem]

Obama’s Secret Stay Behind Army

Obama’s Secret Stay Behind Army - St. Paul Research

https://stpaulresearch.com/2019/10/3...y-behind-army/

Marty Robinson, October 31, 2019


It’s the most powerful three-letter agency in government.

More powerful than the CIA, the NSA and the FBI.

In fact, it’s so powerful it has its own seal and its own flag.

And no, it’s not the FDA, the SEC, or the IRS.

And it’s not part of Homeland Security or FEMA… Although its tentacles reach deep into every one of those agencies.

The mainstream media rarely mentions it by name... So most Americans have no idea it even exists.

But thanks to an obscure executive order and the secretive, if not treasonous, actions by former President Barack Obama…

It’s become the hidden force behind the coup of a duly elected president and the ongoing “complete transformation of America.”

And only by exposing it and bringing it out of the shadows, will it ever be stopped.

You see, on December 15th, 2015, six months after Donald J. Trump declared his candidacy for president and began to rise in the polls…

Former President Barack Obama signed what at the time, appeared to be an innocuous executive order.

However, Obama’s intentions were much more complex and sinister.

Because with that single executive order, Barack Obama launched an accelerated purge of thousands of American patriots from virtually every government agency — including our intelligence services and the military —while replacing them with party loyalists and political operatives loyal not to the country and the Constitution, but to him and his globalist and progressive-socialist agendas.

It was a purge of patriots and a takeover of government that began early on in his first term…

A purge that began by transforming an obscure federal agency hidden deep within the bowels of government, into what soon became a private, stay behind army.

An army of political operatives committed to two things:

The complete political, cultural and economic transformation of America as promised by Barack Obama during his 2008 presidential campaign.

And the overthrow of a Donald J. Trump presidency should he be elected.

The Department of The Deep State


The Senior Executive Service, or “SES,” was created on September 19, 1979 during the Carter administration.

It was originally formed to professionalize career civil service, while attracting the nation’s best and brightest in an effort to improve and modernize the management of the federal bureaucracy.

A position within the “SES” is considered the equivalent to general officer or the flag officer ranks in the U.S. Armed Forces.

For that reason, they are often referred to as our “civilian generals.”

Their pay scale starts above the top level of civil service (GS-15), with base salaries ranging from a minimum of $127,914 to a maximum of $192,300.1

Ostensibly, the SES was to be a corps of non-partisan, career managers who serve as the executive management of federal agencies…

Their job being to implement policy, not create it.

At least it was until then President Barack Obama changed that with a mere flick of his pen...

Making SES members nearly impossible to fire, once hired.

To say Obama’s transformation of the SES into an army of political operatives was effective would be a gross understatement.

There are more than 2 million federal government employees. And at the top of that pyramid are approximately 8,000 SES (Senior Executive Service) employees who service as the professional managerial class linking our political leaders to the civil service rank and file.

And Barack Obama as president, replaced more than 6,000 members of the 8,000-member SES during his two terms, assembling what became a stay-behind army of political operatives…2

So how pervasive is the SES?

Here’s a list of the number of SES employees that were embedded in the following government agencies at the end of Obama’s 2nd term in 2016:

Department of Education – 86
Department of Housing & Urban Development – 115

Department of the Air Force – 182

Department of Labor – 200

Department of State – 204

Department of Transportation – 231

Department of Interior – 258

Department of the Army – 261

Department of the Navy – 326

Department of Veterans Affairs – 357

Department of Agriculture – 361

Department of Commerce – 425

Department of the Treasury – 458

Department of Health & Human Services – 468

Department of Defense – 478

Department of Energy – 490

Department of Homeland Security – 639

Department of Justice – 821

All Other Agencies (all non-Cabinet level agencies) – 1,796

And it wasn’t just a purge of patriots from governmental agencies…

Obama’s purge of the military was especially damaging to our national security, as he literally gutted the command structure of the U.S. military.

Not to mention the demoralization of the ranks due to his policies of radical political correctness.

In all, Obama’s patriot purge included 9 Senior Commanding Generals, 2 Nuclear Commanders, 197 high ranking Senior, General and Flag Officers, along with thousands of non-commissioned officers…

With perhaps the most glaring example being the firings of U.S. Army General Carter Ham and Rear Admiral Chuck Gaouette..

Red September…
Obama’s Benghazi Stand Down Order

General Carter Ham was relieved as head of U.S. Africa Command because he defied Obama’s “stand down” orders to not mount a rescue mission in response to the Sept. 11, 2012, attack in Benghazi.

And Rear Adm. Chuck Gaouette, commander of the John C. Stennis Carrier Strike Group, was relieved for disobeying orders when he sent his group on Sept. 11 to "assist and provide intelligence for military forces ordered into action by Gen. Ham.”

And as damaging as Obama’s purge of the military was, it was his takeover and transformation of the Department of Justice, the F.B.I. and the Intelligence Agencies that raise the greatest threat to America today.

Because instead of being tools for implementing the policies of the president and the United States government…

They’ve become the defacto 4th Branch of Government and are now dictating and carrying out their own policies, while openly subverting and sabotaging those of a duly elected president.

But, before we go any further, please understand this…

Barack Obama was not the architect of these changes, merely the front-man in charge of carrying them out as the Deep State and Shadow Government’s placeholder president.

And that’s the root of President Trump’s problems…

Trump: America’s Last President

You see, in the post 9/11 world, we’ve transferred far too much power to the office of the president.

And that’s created a very big problem for the Deep State and our Shadow Government.

Because the one thing they can no longer ever allow to happen…

Is to have an outsider not under their control, become president.

And Donald J. Trump is definitely an outsider who is not under their control.

That’s why they launched their “insurance policy,” before President Trump was even sworn into office.

You remember their “insurance policy,” don’t you?

The one orchestrated by Obama’s secret stay behind sleeper cell…

Located on the 7th floor of the Truman building in Washington D.C.

The “insurance policy” that Peter Strzok (the FBI’s Chief of Counterespionage), referred to in the now infamous text he sent to FBI attorney Lisa Page.

It was “Plan B,” just in case Trump was elected.
It’s what the Steele Dossier, the Mueller Investigation, the entire Russia-gate hoax and their current impeachment witch-hunt is all about... Because as far as the Deep State and our Shadow Government are concerned…

The office of The President of the United States of America as we know it, no longer exists.
A real President…
Like JFK, or Reagan?
No longer acceptable.
You saw what happened to both of them.
No Dear Reader, they’re not looking for Presidents any more…
Nor will they tolerate one.
Especially one picked by you and not by them

The department of state alone has 75k employees.
The DOT has 58k employees.
Department of Interior has 70k employees


Obama adds a couple hundred people to each of these agencies and you cry deep state. lol

 

[Zeez]

Deep State... - Roll the Twilight Zone music.

 

[Brother Nature]

It is somewhat entertaining seeing the 'right' going on about being Alpha males and how the left is bringing on the pussification of America, then pull out the poor me victim card like in the terribly written article above.

 

[Zeez]

It is somewhat entertaining seeing the 'right' going on about being Alpha males and how the left is bringing on the pussification of America, then pull out the poor me victim card like in the terribly written article above.

"A smart man learns from his mistakes, a wise man from the mistakes of others."


Brother, Both a smart man and a wise man are able to offer up solutions instead of just criticizing. The one only capable of being a critic is neither smart or wise.

 

[Jellyfish]

Why do you need to apologize - if you feel so sure about it? -

I don't. I was just making a point.

 

[Brother Nature]

Fair enough, though in the 1720 pages of this thread, I've not come across any solutions, just a lot of ego, hubris, and self validation. I feel my contribution was in keeping with the tone of this thread.

"A smart man learns from his mistakes, a wise man from the mistakes of others."


Brother, Both a smart man and a wise man are able to offer up solutions instead of just criticizing. The one only capable of being a critic is neither smart or wise.

 

[Microbeman]

Obama’s Secret Stay Behind Army

Obama’s Secret Stay Behind Army - St. Paul Research

https://stpaulresearch.com/2019/10/3...y-behind-army/

Marty Robinson, October 31, 2019


It’s the most powerful three-letter agency in government.

More powerful than the CIA, the NSA and the FBI.

In fact, it’s so powerful it has its own seal and its own flag.

And no, it’s not the FDA, the SEC, or the IRS.

And it’s not part of Homeland Security or FEMA… Although its tentacles reach deep into every one of those agencies.

The mainstream media rarely mentions it by name... So most Americans have no idea it even exists.

But thanks to an obscure executive order and the secretive, if not treasonous, actions by former President Barack Obama…

It’s become the hidden force behind the coup of a duly elected president and the ongoing “complete transformation of America.”

And only by exposing it and bringing it out of the shadows, will it ever be stopped.

You see, on December 15th, 2015, six months after Donald J. Trump declared his candidacy for president and began to rise in the polls…

Former President Barack Obama signed what at the time, appeared to be an innocuous executive order.

However, Obama’s intentions were much more complex and sinister.

Because with that single executive order, Barack Obama launched an accelerated purge of thousands of American patriots from virtually every government agency — including our intelligence services and the military —while replacing them with party loyalists and political operatives loyal not to the country and the Constitution, but to him and his globalist and progressive-socialist agendas.

It was a purge of patriots and a takeover of government that began early on in his first term…

A purge that began by transforming an obscure federal agency hidden deep within the bowels of government, into what soon became a private, stay behind army.

An army of political operatives committed to two things:

The complete political, cultural and economic transformation of America as promised by Barack Obama during his 2008 presidential campaign.

And the overthrow of a Donald J. Trump presidency should he be elected.

The Department of The Deep State


The Senior Executive Service, or “SES,” was created on September 19, 1979 during the Carter administration.

It was originally formed to professionalize career civil service, while attracting the nation’s best and brightest in an effort to improve and modernize the management of the federal bureaucracy.

A position within the “SES” is considered the equivalent to general officer or the flag officer ranks in the U.S. Armed Forces.

For that reason, they are often referred to as our “civilian generals.”

Their pay scale starts above the top level of civil service (GS-15), with base salaries ranging from a minimum of $127,914 to a maximum of $192,300.1

Ostensibly, the SES was to be a corps of non-partisan, career managers who serve as the executive management of federal agencies…

Their job being to implement policy, not create it.

At least it was until then President Barack Obama changed that with a mere flick of his pen...

Making SES members nearly impossible to fire, once hired.

To say Obama’s transformation of the SES into an army of political operatives was effective would be a gross understatement.

There are more than 2 million federal government employees. And at the top of that pyramid are approximately 8,000 SES (Senior Executive Service) employees who service as the professional managerial class linking our political leaders to the civil service rank and file.

And Barack Obama as president, replaced more than 6,000 members of the 8,000-member SES during his two terms, assembling what became a stay-behind army of political operatives…2

So how pervasive is the SES?

Here’s a list of the number of SES employees that were embedded in the following government agencies at the end of Obama’s 2nd term in 2016:

Department of Education – 86
Department of Housing & Urban Development – 115

Department of the Air Force – 182

Department of Labor – 200

Department of State – 204

Department of Transportation – 231

Department of Interior – 258

Department of the Army – 261

Department of the Navy – 326

Department of Veterans Affairs – 357

Department of Agriculture – 361

Department of Commerce – 425

Department of the Treasury – 458

Department of Health & Human Services – 468

Department of Defense – 478

Department of Energy – 490

Department of Homeland Security – 639

Department of Justice – 821

All Other Agencies (all non-Cabinet level agencies) – 1,796

And it wasn’t just a purge of patriots from governmental agencies…

Obama’s purge of the military was especially damaging to our national security, as he literally gutted the command structure of the U.S. military.

Not to mention the demoralization of the ranks due to his policies of radical political correctness.

In all, Obama’s patriot purge included 9 Senior Commanding Generals, 2 Nuclear Commanders, 197 high ranking Senior, General and Flag Officers, along with thousands of non-commissioned officers…

With perhaps the most glaring example being the firings of U.S. Army General Carter Ham and Rear Admiral Chuck Gaouette..

Red September…
Obama’s Benghazi Stand Down Order

General Carter Ham was relieved as head of U.S. Africa Command because he defied Obama’s “stand down” orders to not mount a rescue mission in response to the Sept. 11, 2012, attack in Benghazi.

And Rear Adm. Chuck Gaouette, commander of the John C. Stennis Carrier Strike Group, was relieved for disobeying orders when he sent his group on Sept. 11 to "assist and provide intelligence for military forces ordered into action by Gen. Ham.”

And as damaging as Obama’s purge of the military was, it was his takeover and transformation of the Department of Justice, the F.B.I. and the Intelligence Agencies that raise the greatest threat to America today.

Because instead of being tools for implementing the policies of the president and the United States government…

They’ve become the defacto 4th Branch of Government and are now dictating and carrying out their own policies, while openly subverting and sabotaging those of a duly elected president.

But, before we go any further, please understand this…

Barack Obama was not the architect of these changes, merely the front-man in charge of carrying them out as the Deep State and Shadow Government’s placeholder president.

And that’s the root of President Trump’s problems…

Trump: America’s Last President

You see, in the post 9/11 world, we’ve transferred far too much power to the office of the president.

And that’s created a very big problem for the Deep State and our Shadow Government.

Because the one thing they can no longer ever allow to happen…

Is to have an outsider not under their control, become president.

And Donald J. Trump is definitely an outsider who is not under their control.

That’s why they launched their “insurance policy,” before President Trump was even sworn into office.

You remember their “insurance policy,” don’t you?

The one orchestrated by Obama’s secret stay behind sleeper cell…

Located on the 7th floor of the Truman building in Washington D.C.

The “insurance policy” that Peter Strzok (the FBI’s Chief of Counterespionage), referred to in the now infamous text he sent to FBI attorney Lisa Page.

It was “Plan B,” just in case Trump was elected.
It’s what the Steele Dossier, the Mueller Investigation, the entire Russia-gate hoax and their current impeachment witch-hunt is all about... Because as far as the Deep State and our Shadow Government are concerned…

The office of The President of the United States of America as we know it, no longer exists.
A real President…
Like JFK, or Reagan?
No longer acceptable.
You saw what happened to both of them.
No Dear Reader, they’re not looking for Presidents any more…
Nor will they tolerate one.
Especially one picked by you and not by them

And Bill Barr is in place to keep the puppet strings attached to Trump for the real deep state.

Although this article is slightly dated and I do not agree with everything in it; it does lay out Barr's participation in bolstering and protecting the deep state.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/ciabu...lliam-barr-nominated-attorney-general/5662609

Some more;

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/14/6845...dons-in-an-earlier-d-c-witch-hunt-iran-contra

https://larouchepub.com/eiw/public/...1021_029-william_barr_the_bush_clique_and.pdf

BTW, Reagan was a patsy too.

 

[Zeez]

Fair enough, though in the 1720 pages of this thread, I've not come across any solutions, just a lot of ego, hubris, and self validation. I feel my contribution was in keeping with the tone of this thread.

Sure looks like rationalizing stone throwing with another stone thrown.

This thread is a very accurate depiction of what is going on in American politics. Every so often it strikes a nerve when topics like the racism rear their ugly head, with some still sulking over having a black president. As someone who spent years studying sociology in a selfish but useless way, I find it interesting to see the almost no holds barred way that this conversation takes place.

To each his own.