The 2020 Presidential Election

[Zeez]

LMAO

You have no clue what the hell you are talking about. Trump never hit an annual GDP growth of 3%.

He's chumming.

 

[White Beard]

Pretty sure the Republicans voted for the stimulus, and bailed out the banks that created the problem. They all should have been left to fail. If anyone attempted to choke the economy, it's the Democrats. Obama presided over the biggest flip in history, 1000 seats across the country flipped from D to R. The American people still re-elected Obama, doesn't sound like bigotry to me.

Opposing the other party isn't bigotry its politics.

Come on dude, don't twist my words. I wouldn't do that to you.

Jesus, Pack - twist words is what you do!

Do you think you’re invisible, or can you really not tell?

 

[White Beard]

Whitebeard said

I do believe for the most part this is incorrect. It does depend on the procedure but there are much higher end hospitals outside of the USA. There are the exceptions of the media swamped stories of poor little Sally coming to New York for a new face or some such thing but rich people are opting for locations in Europe, Asia and Mexico. For limb lengthening and complex reconstructive orthopedics, Russia and Italy lead the game. For cartilage repair and bone growth removal on vertebrae Mexico is cutting edge. Most private hospitals in Mexico have only private rooms, similar to hotel accommodations.

If you are filthy stinking rich, the top choice may be Dubai from what I've heard,

The US has dropped way behind the advancing medical world.

no they dont! its no better than private treatment here in the uk. are you talking about cosmetic surgery, in which case id say its better in the usa.

The only people that come to the USA for medical treatment are those getting free treatment for life threading illnesses or treatments they cant obtain elsewhere which is very few..

The USA doesn't have the best health care. Many who live here get medical care in other countries because its far cheaper. If your rich than it wouldn't matter.

The practice may have tailed off, but for a very long time, the US was the preferred medical destination for questionable heads of state and their families. Yes, once we did have world-leading medical facilities, but now I expect they come here to visit their properties and network their US connections as much as anything else.

Freely recognize the advances made worldwide in our absence

He's chumming.

A grand old term: makes you think about how they used to use ‘chum’ when speaking to others....

 

[Zeez]

A grand old term: makes you think about how they used to use ‘chum’ when speaking to others....

He's a fisherman.

 

[White Beard]

...nice word for bait...

 

[Zeez]

...nice word for bait...

It's more of a technique, dumping bait into the water to bring 'em in.

 

[GeorgeWBush]

Obama pulled us OUT of last recession, not put us into it. and gasbag trump has been trying to take credit for it ever since. democratic socialism is working fine in the Nordic countries of Europe. why do you think those people will not move here in spite of trumps wishes? what a maroon...

The least populated most homogeneous place on the planet and not even accurate they have a system of capitalism with some socialist programs in place they are neither socialist or capitalist.Im gonna let your yellow-bellied cowardly insult go because you're honestly not worth anymore of my time,just like a few others in this thread that are crying for my attention.Maybe go talk to them cause these are my last words to youTRUMP2020 keeping America Great

 

[Zeez]

 

[redlaser]

The U.S. is the only developed country with a rising maternal mortality rate.

https://hbr.org/2019/06/the-rising-u-s-maternal-rate-demands-action-from-employers

The U.S. maternal mortality rate has more than doubled from 10.3 per 100,000 live births in 1991 to 23.8 in 2014. Over 700 moms die annually.

Black women are 3-4 times more likely to die, regardless of education, income, or socioeconomic factors. World Health Organization says black women die at the same rate as black women in Mexico and Uzbekistan

 

[GeorgeWBush]

i look at a president as a total package. the one we have now has shit dripping out of the seams in his box. there are places i don't spend my money. Wal-mart for one. fuck 'em. anyplace that thinks it is okay to discriminate for any reason other than repeated thefts. (non-payment by individuals, not races)

Take that stand...Fuck all those big mean companies hug your enimes but for real Walmart provides millions of jobs in the USA how many do you provide ?


TRUMP2020 keeping America Great

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

If you split each Walmart into 1000 small businesses - and got the government to help people get started in their own business with interest free loans - then that's where the jobs are - and at the same time you would be building what we call 'the middle class' up to be self sufficient, prosperous and productive -

Why put most business in the hands of just a few oligarchs/billionaire's? - spread the bizz out among the people -

Take that stand...Fuck all those big mean companies hug your enimes but for real Walmart provides millions of jobs in the USA how many do you provide ?


TRUMP2020 keeping America Great

 

[Capra ibex]

That is why a progressive tax is preferable to a flat tax.
You can make it so that the level of reward of building mega companies diminishes as the company gets bigger.
You can structure it so that it would help prevent monopolies yet not affect small to medium businesses.
A flat tax has no safeguards and allows big companies to become mega companies and monopolies.
People could say it's 'theft' or they could just say that it's a system that prevents (or deters) billion dollar companies from becoming trillion dollar companies.
The bigger you get the more difficult it gets (but not impossible)to keep growing, while smaller companies can flourish.
A flat tax basically encourages greed and the compounding effect of big companies becoming mega companies or monopolies.... once companies get so large they just have too much power, rewarding greed.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

The way I see it is that these massive corporations are siphoning off The American Dream - by making it less likely that the poor can climb the ladder of wealth - so stifling upward mobility by making all the small Mom and Pop stores shut down - because they can't compete with the prices a multinational corporation can afford to sell or buy stuff at - so are literally forced out of business - because the corporations make it so they can't make a viable/profitable business no more -

Without a burgeoning and upwardly mobile middle and lower class - you will end up with a division of wealth so great - that the work/job/reward structure looks little better than slavery - with zero guaranteed hours - and only 6 months contracts - paid at minimum wage or less - barely a subsistence allowance - as I have seen in Asia and now in the UK develop -

That is why a progressive tax is preferable to a flat tax.

You can make it so that the level of reward of building mega companies diminishes as the company gets bigger.

You can structure it so that it would help prevent monopolies yet not affect small to medium businesses.

A flat tax has no safeguards and allows big companies to become mega companies and monopolies.

People could say it's 'theft' or they could just say that it's a system that prevents (or deters) billion dollar companies from becoming trillion dollar companies.

The bigger you get the more difficult it gets (but not impossible)to keep growing, while smaller companies can flourish.

 

[Capra ibex]

Reread what i posted and it didn't really make sense

My mind wandered and it came through in my words.... then couldn't be bothered with it.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

I thought that giving all the fat cats breaks made America great again....

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Yes - larger businesses compete with the smaller ones - as modern mercenary mechanized armies might deal with a minor vassal state that gets uppity - and can employ tactics so underhand and bereft of media coverage - that they can now even get away with cold blooded murder - in the name of liberty and democracy - so that makes it ok? - and that we are all mostly conditioned and engineered into such a false sense of security by the corporate controlled media - that most people get a form of cognitive dissonance about it all - so don't make much of a fuss - in all of their apathy -

Problem is Capra - is that once a business gets enough money to influence politicians and government officials in Washington - via lobbying - or just straight bribes - they then have the financial power to influence the law and political structure of the nation - so will only back with their considerable billions - the candidate that does what they tell him/her to do - and everyone has their price - and if not - can be coerced via other means to be a shill for the corporations -

Yes, there is a huge runaway effect once businesses cross a certain level, they snuff out any small business that they see as even a minor threat.

If everyone already knows that you can very possibly make a large successful business but that once you start getting crazy large that the high tax will be like trying to push 2 positive ends of a magnet together, slowing your growth down and maybe taking your focus away from growth and onto higher quality service or products.

 

[Loc Dog]

That is why a progressive tax is preferable to a flat tax.
You can make it so that the level of reward of building mega companies diminishes as the company gets bigger.
You can structure it so that it would help prevent monopolies yet not affect small to medium businesses.
A flat tax has no safeguards and allows big companies to become mega companies and monopolies.
People could say it's 'theft' or they could just say that it's a system that prevents (or deters) billion dollar companies from becoming trillion dollar companies.
The bigger you get the more difficult it gets (but not impossible)to keep growing, while smaller companies can flourish.
A flat tax basically encourages greed and the compounding effect of big companies becoming mega companies or monopolies.... once companies get so large they just have too much power, rewarding greed.

 

[Loc Dog]

Yes - larger businesses compete with the smaller ones - as modern mercenary mechanized armies might deal with a minor vassal state that gets uppity - and can employ tactics so underhand and bereft of media coverage - that they can now even get away with cold blooded murder - in the name of liberty and democracy - so that makes it ok? - and that we are all mostly conditioned and engineered into such a false sense of security by the corporate controlled media - that most people get a form of cognitive dissonance about it all - so don't make much of a fuss - in all of their apathy -

Problem is Capra - is that once a business gets enough money to influence politicians and government officials in Washington - via lobbying - or just straight bribes - they then have the financial power to influence the law and political structure of the nation - so will only back with their considerable billions - the candidate that does what they tell him/her to do - and everyone has their price - and if not - can be coerced via other means to be a shill for the corporations -

 

[h.h.]

All them small business owners selling Chinese goods winter in Palm Springs. When the rest of the country was in a recession, they’d come out and play golf while we worked on their properties.
Even Bernie has 3 houses. That’s the way they roll. We support them.

 

[GeorgeWBush]

If you split each Walmart into 1000 small businesses - and got the government to help people get started in their own business with interest free loans - then that's where the jobs are - and at the same time you would be building what we call 'the middle class' up to be self sufficient, prosperous and productive -

Why put most business in the hands of just a few oligarchs/billionaire's? - spread the bizz out among the people -

How's that fair at all to the family that started and built it up to what it is ? Walmart does offer stock options a 401K they have pretty decent affordable health care plans generous paid time off and a mandatory minimum wage thats higher than the States minimum...I don't get why it's ok just to take away the work and the legecy of one man Sam Walton and one store..Lot's of people love Walmart because they do capitalism right...They rake in the money on the labor of their workforce and they give back a tiny bit more than most others in their competitive market...I just don't believe in socialism ....Youre free to get back as much or as little as you put in.There is nothing criminal or immoral about working hard and getting rich as fuck


TRUMP2020 keeping America Great