TEXAS CHURCH SHOOTING

[MJPassion]

I don't know these people, but I -can- tell you from experience that there are losses wherein all internal systems seemingly go numb. There are times tears may not come for years. Been there in both experiences. Maybe six months, maybe six years, then out of the blue, the water-works finally turn on, sometimes with no warning.

And if you look at shootings around the nation, there are many where folks absorb a surprising number of bullets, missing vital mass, and live.

Prince William Sound, out in the Islands, 20-some years back. Two drunks (one of them with a peculiar past that included repeated 'justified use of force in defense of life,' as though he sought out such situations) had their own private gun battle, each hitting the other repeatedly; one less than 20 times, and the other slightly more than 20s times, and neither died. They were medi-vacced, and lived

Both were shooting 9mm (another rd. with relatively good penetration, especially with 115 grain ball, but typically lacking in immediate knock-down power, unless striking vital mass or causing dismemberment; somewhat similar to the .223 in that regard).

Discounting others experiences during losses and hardship is a huge sin in my book. When I came back to school after my father died in '68, and the teacher invited me to explain my extended absence to the class if I chose to, instead of her doing so for me (respecting my boundaries), a neighbor, the daughter of a Baptist minister, blurted out, "No he didn't!! I saw his car in your driveway last week-end.!!"

It took two good friends to talk me out of a stall in the restroom. 2 weeks of trying to regain myself was blown to shit in seconds by someone who had a difficult time accepting that sometimes, even if there's a God, horrible things still happen.

Please be cautious when addressing others losses. You'd want the same.

Moose...
I couldn't rep ya so just thought you should know,

You've got a lot of power with the terms you use.
Your compassion is admirable!

 

[pinkus]

the worst domestic terrorist attack in US history was done with fertilizer, the Oklahoma City bombing.

No offense, but STHU! They were making noise not so long ago about registering ALL nitrogen fertilizer sales.

 

[coldcanna]

Tobacco kills 1300 people per day- never heard a politician go after them..... hmmm

 

[vta]

Over 25 people were killed while in their place of worship if that is the definition of TERRORISM I don't know what is. The hypocrisy in this thread kills me look at the different words used, all the mental health talk etc none of this would be mentioned if the shooter were brown. In fact this thread would be flooded with links and articles about terrorism. Where are all the links to DOMESTIC TERRORIST? People are to afraid to admit that Radical Christian Terrorism is a huge issue in America and all our mass killings were perpetrated by them. I know its hard and no one likes to admit that people that look like them could be a part of the problem. This video sums up how peoples opinions change when the person committing the act of terror looks like them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsMXtlW1uoE

Just WOW ! 1st off YOU are the person making this about race.

Second...the guy was not a so called "Radical Christian" he was a die hard Atheist. Talk about clueless. So in this case...the Christians were terrorized....but please go on with you're brainless narrative.

 

[Green Squall]

Just WOW ! 1st off YOU are the person making this about race.

Second...the guy was not a so called "Radical Christian" he was a die hard Atheist. Talk about clueless. So in this case...the Christians were terrorized....but please go on with you're brainless narrative.

Yup your correct. Former classmates and acquaintances described him as a creepy outcast who was fixated on Atheism for some reason. Someone who would get angry when other didn't agree with his viewpoints.

 

[Thcvhunter]

I don't know these people, but I -can- tell you from experience that there are losses wherein all internal systems seemingly go numb. There are times tears may not come for years. Been there in both experiences. Maybe six months, maybe six years, then out of the blue, the water-works finally turn on, sometimes with no warning.

And if you look at shootings around the nation, there are many where folks absorb a surprising number of bullets, missing vital mass, and live.

Prince William Sound, out in the Islands, 20-some years back. Two drunks (one of them with a peculiar past that included repeated 'justified use of force in defense of life,' as though he sought out such situations) had their own private gun battle, each hitting the other repeatedly; one less than 20 times, and the other slightly more than 20s times, and neither died. They were medi-vacced, and lived

Both were shooting 9mm (another rd. with relatively good penetration, especially with 115 grain ball, but typically lacking in immediate knock-down power, unless striking vital mass or causing dismemberment; somewhat similar to the .223 in that regard).

Discounting others experiences during losses and hardship is a huge sin in my book. When I came back to school after my father died in '68, and the teacher invited me to explain my extended absence to the class if I chose to, instead of her doing so for me (respecting my boundaries), a neighbor, the daughter of a Baptist minister, blurted out, "No he didn't!! I saw his car in your driveway last week-end.!!"

It took two good friends to talk me out of a stall in the restroom. 2 weeks of trying to regain myself was blown to shit in seconds by someone who had a difficult time accepting that sometimes, even if there's a God, horrible things still happen.

Please be cautious when addressing others losses. You'd want the same.

From ARMY:
A pistol wound provides a 20% mortality
A rifle (556) wound provides 80% mortality.

Read about the Tigers army. The warlord was shot point-blank with a 1911 (45 cal) in the head (shot through the eye -- way to go SFOD) and lived.
In Operation Gothic Serpent, a soldier was killed do to a rifle wound in the leg.

 

[brown_thumb]

The reports I read further stated he was -not- dishonorably discharged, but rather something along the lines of conduct unbecoming, or something like that, stating he was thereby technically legally permitted to purchase firearms, though I also thought that persons who committed a domestic violence assault and were convicted were forbidden from purchasing firearms by federal and (many) state laws.

The whole clinging to the 2nd Amendment thing does make me chuckle, though.

If any authority becomes a burden to the point they need to be disciplined via use of firearms, does anyone really think that entity will simply say, "Well, ok, I guess you have a right."

In many circumstances involving armed revolt and lacking immediately available armaments, throughout history, those who believed the revolt was necessary acquired the necessary arms.. typically from their perceived or real oppressors.

The Jews of Warsaw (where Hitler -had- taken firearms away), Mujahedeen (preceding State Dept/CIA intervention via the drugs-for-weapons trade over the Khyber Pass) using crude but effective means to take down Soviet hardware and gun-ships to strip them of armaments, The Sons of Liberty raiding the King's armories and taking everything from muskets, to black powder, to cannons.

When push comes to shove, no tyrant is going to grant permission for use of items necessary to remove that tyrant. But those in need will find those means if they are determined to do so.

In that regard, it reminds me of the System's absurdity in belief that a restraining order will prevent a murdering spouse from assaulting or murdering the other partner because they're waving a TRO in front of them. A dangerously false sense of security at best.

And as stated before, the U.S. and it's citizens have tolerated the rolling out of tyrannical law after tyrannical law, and Bubba and his other brother Bubba, while being proud, dues-paying members of the NRA, have hardly whispered anything about this neo-fascism.

The exception to this was Gun Owners of America, who was right there along-side us in opposition to the passage and implementation of the USA PA's extra-legal BS; the NRA was more milquetoast and even supportive when it came to assaults on liberty that exemplify the very reason for the 2nd amendment's presence in the Bill of Rights.

It's been many years since I stroked any firearms like an inflatable sex toy, and I've had more than my share of guns.. They have their place. They've fed my family, protected me, and given those who might've decided to do (what ever) to think hard about the cost.

But as someone pointed out this morning, violence comes from the heart and mind, and our history is one of often solving problems, wants, and needs with force. Despite our view of ourselves, we are a violent culture. That's THE trigger, in my opinion.

Our kids play Call of Duty and other games that normalize killing, often up close and personal. There's something really wrong with that, in my opinion.

Killing may be necessary at different times; feeding one's self and/or family, defense, etc., but glorification of such things is a sign of psychological and/or systemic illness, in my own opinion.

But our negation of our words with our actions isn't new. The television regularly sports ads by gov. telling us to "feed the pig," telling us to control our spending and take responsibility for our futures... while they spend us into debt by the trillions. Likewise with their messages about being peaceful.

When we address our divisions, our hypocrisy, the disconnect between our stated values and our actions, and our apparently-situational grasp on the significance of ALL life, then maybe our Country will cease being the place it's been in these regards.

Until then, I expect little more than more of the same.

Damn good post.

 

[Rubber Chicken]

Tobacco kills 1300 people per day- never heard a politician go after them..... hmmm

I really HATE tobacco but can you go and massacre a crowd of people with tobacco?

 

[brown_thumb]

DAMN!!!

Did we forget about the Sept 11 attacks already or have you been sleeping the last 15 years?

& Oaklahoma was an inside job as well.
The official story doesn't match forensic evidence #1.

I think the referenced post was referring to 'home grown' terror attacks hence the mentioning of the Oklahoma bombing. The 9/11 attack was from an outside force.

 

[Emperortaima]

I think the referenced post was referring to 'home grown' terror attacks hence the mentioning of the Oklahoma bombing. The 9/11 attack was from an outside force.

9/11 was NOT an outside attack it was inside job a demolition do some proper research there's even videos that surfaced that show explosions in areas where the plane didn't crash... explain that?

 

[Rubber Chicken]

I know guns is a complicated issue,

Maybe some of you find this interesting or entertaining,

Sam Harris- Riddle of the Gun,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0DYpaLgWIo

 

[brown_thumb]

9/11 was NOT an outside attack it was inside job a demolition do some proper research there's even videos that surfaced that show explosions in areas where the plane didn't crash... explain that?

I'm not a civil engineer so I can't explain how the buildings collapsed. Care to try?

 

[badonkadank]

I'm not a civil engineer so I can't explain how the buildings collapsed. Care to try?

World trade building 7,no plane hit it,but let's keep it on track about the shooting.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

World trade building 7,no plane hit it,but let's keep it on track about the shooting.

Yeah, good idea, lets not spin off into the realm of conspiracy theories surrounding other past events if we can avoid that.

 

[CaptainDankness]

9/11 was NOT an outside attack it was inside job a demolition do some proper research there's even videos that surfaced that show explosions in areas where the plane didn't crash... explain that?

Prove it was an inside job. Certainly a coordinated attack but their are theories it was the Jews and all. Lol, We do know a lot of Saudi Arabians were involved other than that no conclusive evidence.

If the Pentagon was involved or not we'll never know. But we most certainly had foreign nationals involved. It's also not the first time Arabs attacked the World Trade Center the early 90's they tried to blow it up with AN/FO the plan was to topple one building into the other but they failed.

 

[coldcanna]

These incidents are like catnip the media dangles over us sporadically to keep us wound up and clawing at each other's throats- Think statistically of the relevance of either "gun violence" or "terrorism" to the overall population and the percentage of people who are harmed by it- the number is infinitesimally small but the hours of wall to wall media coverage are the equivalent of throwing a ribeye into a cage with 2 starved pit bulls.

Its all a diversion from focusing on the real issues that we prob all agree upon- like for example this week the "Paradise Papers" came out detailing legalized tax fraud and money laundering by world leaders and the largest companies (Apple for one). What has a bigger impact on your life; trillions of tax dollars that might have gone to medical research to cure diseases, improving the education system, strengthing national security, ect...... or the .0001% of people that die from terrorism/gun violence ?

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

These incidents are like catnip the media dangles over us sporadically to keep us wound up and clawing at each other's throats- Think statistically of the relevance of either "gun violence" or "terrorism" to the overall population and the percentage of people who are harmed by it- the number is infinitesimally small but the hours of wall to wall media coverage are the equivalent of throwing a ribeye into a cage with 2 starved pit bulls.

Its all a diversion from focusing on the real issues that we prob all agree upon- like for example this week the "Paradise Papers" came out detailing legalized tax fraud and money laundering by world leaders and the largest companies (Apple for one). What has a bigger impact on your life; trillions of tax dollars that might have gone to medical research to cure diseases, improving the education system, strengthing national security, ect...... or the .0001% of people that die from terrorism/gun violence ?

The media always gets behind something that they hope to scare the worlds population with to substantiate increasing security forces that end up protecting the powers that be rather than the man/woman in the street.

More cops, more military, more weapons, more foreign wars to propergate, more tax money for the industrial - military complex, and most of that money doesn't come from the richest companies/members in societies because they have it all locked up in hedge funds and tax free foreign banking......it comes from Mr and Mrs Joe Public.

Fear is BIG BUSINESS...

 

[MJPassion]

I think the referenced post was referring to 'home grown' terror attacks hence the mentioning of the Oklahoma bombing. The 9/11 attack was from an outside force.

You are sooooo wrong it's not even funny!

You ate the official story up...
Hook... Line... & sinker!

 

[igrowone]

it's becoming clear that the ball was dropped on the shooter's criminal history and the firearm application
if the existing laws were followed he wouldn't have been able to make the purchase legally
would that have changed things? no way of knowing for sure, many here will say no
but enforcing existing laws properly is much easier than creating new ones on such a contentious issue

 

[Hermanthegerman]

Prove it was an inside job. Certainly a coordinated attack but their are theories it was the Jews and all. Lol, We do know a lot of Saudi Arabians were involved other than that no conclusive evidence.

If the Pentagon was involved or not we'll never know. But we most certainly had foreign nationals involved. It's also not the first time Arabs attacked the World Trade Center the early 90's they tried to blow it up with AN/FO the plan was to topple one building into the other but they failed.

I don´t think that 9/11was an inside Job. Once I meet the landlord or lessor of some of the terrorists. They lived for a time in Hamburg/Germany. He was interviewed by the german Police. That´s a fact and no conspiracy theory.