TEXAS CHURCH SHOOTING

[Capt.Ahab]

My question to the gun grabbers is this.
How are they going to take the guns?
Will the people who advocate gun control be out there confiscating guns? No.
Will the military be taking guns? NO. Many in the military will remember their oath. We also have Posse Comitatus.
Will the cops be taking guns? Maybe. Some will resist unconstitutional orders. The rest will try to confiscate, until there are none left...

There are hundreds of millions of guns in the US. Billions of rounds of ammo. There are 100 million + gun owners in the US.
If only 1% of gun owners resist to the death, 1 million, how long will that last? How long will the public have the stomach to watch 1 million of their fellow citizens die? How many "confiscators" will die?
My point is gun confiscation will never happen. It is already a battle lost. The cat is out of the bag.

We will never be disarmed. Ever.

Any belief otherwise is a pipe dream. Give it up. Never gonna happen.

 

[brown_thumb]

America has a lot of angry people.


The so-called civil court system is very far from a level playing field. Very little gets resolved there. If anything, it just makes people angrier.

Same for the "Criminal" court system.


It's a Harvey Weinstein society - if you're a member of the right demographic group, you can get away with raping 35 women.

If you're a member of the wrong demographic group, your life is destroyed by an arrest for a small amount of Cannabis.


It's basically a Caste system, like India used to have and maybe still does have.

Precisely correct, IMO. One of the USA's and virtually all other countries (probably) is the more wealth and power a person has, the more they can get by with. The poor are screwed.

 

[brown_thumb]

I'm agnostic so I only post this for Christian peoples who think disarmament of the populous is a wise thing to do. The Bible states as follows...

"He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one".
--- Luke 22:36 ---

 

[aridbud]

My mom always wondered "who is packing" in church. I used to laugh in jest, but see her point. Very sad situation.

 

[St. Phatty]

I get the impression that in a lot of these incidents, the shooters are taking anti-depressants. i.e. seriously brain-scrambling drugs.

Semi-auto's and full auto's were available in the past - when shooting incidents like this were once a decade or once a year. Not once a month.

What has changed ?


One thing I notice about the shooters in most of the cases is that they are puffy and pasty - out of shape.

What if they had mandatory fitness requirements for people who buy firearms ? Would we have fewer mass shootings - or just shooters with a lower body fat index ?


Or is it related to sexual frustration ? How often does this happen in societies with legal prostitution ? (a theory that doesn't jibe with the Paddock shooting in Las Vegas).


The guy in Texas - he looks like he would benefit from a few bong rips.

 

[Rubber Chicken]

If you don't think the future will be good, it wont, if you do, it might.

If the mental landscape changed to where being a 'gun person' was an embarrassment of sorts rather then glamorized and made to seem cool.... it's weird how people are proud about their guns.

I don't mean to be negative about many things, but the gun 'thing' in USA, i think the rest of the civil world have one eyebrow raised because it just seems caveman.

 

[Rubber Chicken]

The guy in Texas - he looks like he would benefit from a few bong rips.

 

[MJPassion]

What has changed ?

Entitlement!

 

[dragongrower]

Interesting analogy... and how many countries are willing to do away with their nuclear arsenals? It's simply not going to happen. It seems some here believe in an all-powerful 'New World Order' and placing 'absolute ultimate power' in the hands of a very few? No... I don't think so!!

1. Remove firearms from the hands of good people? It was a local bystander with a rifle who stopped that crazy SOB. Had he been denied ownership of his rifle, that lunatic could have kept going to place after place murdering at will until taken down by police. That bystander... with a rifle... may have saved dozens of lives. Had a few church parishioners been armed, there's a very good chance one or more of them could have stopped that bastard much sooner.

2. Had the killer not had access to firearms then he would have used bombs or some other form of weapon.

3. I find it very disturbing that many folks can't understand these points.

3. And people who do not like guns in everybody's hands probably thinks it is disturbing that you understand it the way you do..

 

[MJPassion]

If you don't think the future will be good, it wont, if you do, it might.

If the mental landscape changed to where being a 'gun person' was an embarrassment of sorts rather then glamorized and made to seem cool.... it's weird how people are proud about their guns.

I don't mean to be negative about many things, but the gun 'thing' in USA, i think the rest of the civil world have one eyebrow raised because it just seems caveman.

Guns as a matter of Rights...

You do realize that the only real reason to have guns as a matter of Rights was, as outlined by the framers of the Constitution of the United States of America, for suppressing tyranny in government.

Americans are way past their due date on this point. We should have had another civil war in 1909 when the Government passed the Federal Reserve Act... Among other tyrannical actions.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Trying to pry guns from the cold hands of responsible US gun owners will most probably lead to a US civil war. A gun ban won't stop those that use guns in a bad way anyway.

There are hundreds of millions of guns out there in the US, millions of which are not registered and so illegal, and will stay illegal even if the US ever has a gun ban...That won't stop people from being shot by crazy people.

The shooter in this church obviously was mentally unstable. He was not acting in the name of some political/religious ideology, he was an atheist nut-job (not all atheists are nut-jobs)....

 

[trichrider]

During a November 5 appearance on Fox News, Pastor Robert Jeffress stressed that no conceivable gun control measure could have prevented the Texas church shooting because the problem is the evil in the heart, not the gun in the hand.



"Fortunately … somebody else had a gun that was shooting in the opposite direction," Trump said at the press conference.

guns don't do this type of mayhem, people do...disturbed people.

it saddens to see people blaming race, caste, religion, and even the inanimate gun for someones mental incapacity and inability to cope.

this sick f*ck had serious problems that went unattended probably because of the awful state of our mental health institutions (or lack of).

...the shock of Las Vegas has not yet worn away.

 

[MJPassion]

...millions of which are not registered and so illegal, ...

Absolutely untrue!
Registration is only required in some municipalities.

 

[igrowone]

the latest news i'm seeing is the shooter's firearm application was rejected, i.e. no guns for him
which obviously did not work out that way, another strange situation

 

[MJPassion]

the latest news i'm seeing is the shooter's firearm application was rejected, i.e. no guns for him
which obviously did not work out that way, another strange situation

I've experience with this...

I was attempting to purchase a hunting rifle & filled out all the pertinent paperwork & waited 3 days then went & picked up the weapon.

3 days after I had possesion, the police came a knocking & asking to have that gun. They had informed me that my application for owning the gun was denied & they were there to take possession of the gun.

Luckily I hadn't purchased ammo or fired the gun so I got my money back from the store I bought it from, against their policy.

This lag time, from the time I filed paperwork until confiscation, could have landed me in prison because of the way the system works. (extra super slow) I got lucky!

AND
Here's something most dont know either...
It is NOT against the law for Felons/convicted criminals to have guns!
It IS against the law for Felons to file the paperwork!
The only time a Felon (or any convicted criminal) cannot have a gun is while they are a ward of the State (Fed), ie on parole/probation.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Absolutely untrue!
Registration is only required in some municipalities.

Really?....well ya learn something every day.

Where in the US is registration of a firearm not required?

 

[MJPassion]

Your internet connection is probably better than mine. Go look it up!

I'm pretty sure a much shorter list would be required places.

 

[EsterEssence]

Christian terrorist...Oh wait he was white and a christian, only blacks and muslims can be called terrorists...

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

I stand corrected

The Easiest States To Buy A Gun
In 36 states, there are no legal requirements for gun registration, no permit needed and no license necessary to purchase and own a firearm.


The second amendment, which was passed by Congress on September 25, 1789, states, “A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” The private right to own a firearm — for protection, for hunting, or for enjoyment — has remained central to the national ethos of the United States. Americans living in most states today would not have much trouble buying a gun.

In 36 states, there are no legal requirements for gun registration, no permit needed and no license necessary to purchase and own a firearm such as a rifle, shotgun, or handgun. Due to the lack of these regulations, as well as the ease with which many Americans can purchase guns online or at gun shows, most guns in the United States are not registered.

Only a few million privately owned guns in the U.S. are registered with the federal government. The actual number of guns, however, is certainly far higher. Last year alone, U.S. gun makers manufactured more than 10 million firearms. According to a 2012 estimate from the Congressional Research Service, there are as many as 310 million guns across the nation.

In states where weapons can be purchased with relative ease, there are also far more venues for buying guns. Nationwide, for every 1,000 businesses, there are 19 that are licensed to sell guns. In 30 of the 36 states reviewed, there are more than 19 businesses licensed to sell arms for every 1,000 businesses. In Alaska, there are nearly 50 gun shops for every 1,000 businesses — the most of any state. By contrast, in New Jersey, which has relatively strict gun laws, there are fewer than three firearm licensees per 1,000 businesses.

These weapons are used for a range of purposes — primarily for recreation and peace of mind.
A new study shows that while hunting was one of the most common reason for gun ownership among Americans, self-defense is now by far the most common reason given.

Some of these weapons, however, will be used to commit violent acts. For instance, in addition to accidents that often occur, thousands of weapons are reported lost or stolen every year, and many of these find their way into the hands of criminals. The connection between gun laws and firearm deaths is hotly debated in the United States. While liberals believe legal restrictions would lower gun death rates, conservatives hold that stricter laws would do little to curb the behavior of violent criminals.

While the solution may be unclear, the problem of shooting deaths in the United States is a serious problem. According to a recent study in The American Journal of Medicine, the firearm homicide rate is 25 times higher in the United States than in other high-income nations. Compared to other OECD nations, all of which have considerably stricter gun regulations, the United States is far and away the leader in gun homicides.

To identify the easiest states in which a person can buy a gun, 24/7 Wall St. reviewed gun laws in each state as catalogued by the National Rifle Association.

To be considered, a state needed to have no legal requirements for gun registration, no permit needed to purchase, and no license necessary to own a firearm. The presence of regulations, including whether or not a permit to carry a concealed weapon is required in a given state, for both handguns and long guns, also came from the NRA. The number of registered firearms per 1,000 adult state residents in 2015 came from the United States Department of Justice’s Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives’ (ATF) annual report, “Firearms Commerce in the United States, Statistical Update 2015.” The number of licenses to sell firearms per 1,000 establishments in each state is as of 2014 and also came from the ATF. Population figures came from the U.S. Census Bureau’s 2014 American Community Survey.

These are the easiest states to buy a gun:

1. Alabama

> License, registration, or permit required to buy gun?: No

> Permit needed to carry handgun?: Yes

> Registered guns per 1,000 adults: 30.6 (6th highest)

> Federal firearm licensees per 1,000 establishments:24.5 (18th highest)

2. Alaska

> License, registration, or permit required to buy gun?: No

> Permit needed to carry handgun?: No

> Registered guns per 1,000 adults: 22.6 (11th highest)

> Federal firearm licensees per 1,000 establishments:47.0 (the highest)

3. Arkansas

> License, registration, or permit required to buy gun?: No

> Permit needed to carry handgun?: Yes

> Registered guns per 1,000 adults: 28.9 (8th highest)

> Federal firearm licensees per 1,000 establishments:31.6 (8th highest)

4. Colorado

> License, registration, or permit required to buy gun?: No

> Permit needed to carry handgun?: Yes

> Registered guns per 1,000 adults: 17.4 (23rd highest)

> Federal firearm licensees per 1,000 establishments:18.3 (20th lowest)

5. Delaware

> License, registration, or permit required to buy gun?: No

> Permit needed to carry handgun?: Yes

> Registered guns per 1,000 adults: 5.6 (3rd lowest)

> Federal firearm licensees per 1,000 establishments:14.4 (15th lowest)

6. Florida

> License, registration, or permit required to buy gun?: No

> Permit needed to carry handgun?: Yes

> Registered guns per 1,000 adults: 16.1 (24th highest)

> Federal firearm licensees per 1,000 establishments:14.7 (16th lowest)

7. Georgia

> License, registration, or permit required to buy gun?: No

> Permit needed to carry handgun?: Yes

> Registered guns per 1,000 adults: 22.1 (13th highest)

> Federal firearm licensees per 1,000 establishments:17.4 (18th lowest)

8. Idaho

> License, registration, or permit required to buy gun?: No

> Permit needed to carry handgun?: Yes

> Registered guns per 1,000 adults: 37.0 (5th highest)

> Federal firearm licensees per 1,000 establishments:32.5 (6th highest)

9. Indiana

> License, registration, or permit required to buy gun?: No

> Permit needed to carry handgun?: Yes

> Registered guns per 1,000 adults: 20.0 (17th highest)

> Federal firearm licensees per 1,000 establishments:20.7 (23rd lowest)

10. Kansas

> License, registration, or permit required to buy gun?: No

> Permit needed to carry handgun?: No

> Registered guns per 1,000 adults: 16.0 (24th lowest)

> Federal firearm licensees per 1,000 establishments:25.9 (16th highest)

11. Kentucky

> License, registration, or permit required to buy gun?: No

> Permit needed to carry handgun?: Yes

> Registered guns per 1,000 adults: 18.7 (19th highest)

> Federal firearm licensees per 1,000 establishments:27.9 (10th highest)

12. Louisiana

> License, registration, or permit required to buy gun?: No

> Permit needed to carry handgun?:Yes

> Registered guns per 1,000 adults: 22.8 (10th highest)

> Federal firearm licensees per 1,000 establishments:20.8 (24th lowest)

13. Maine

> License, registration, or permit required to buy gun?: No

> Permit needed to carry handgun?: No

> Registered guns per 1,000 adults: 11.7 (13th lowest)

> Federal firearm licensees per 1,000 establishments:24.2 (19th highest)

14. Mississippi

> License, registration, or permit required to buy gun?: No

> Permit needed to carry handgun?: Yes

> Registered guns per 1,000 adults: 10.7 (10th lowest)

> Federal firearm licensees per 1,000 establishments:26.7 (13th highest)

15. Missouri

> License, registration, or permit required to buy gun?: No

> Permit needed to carry handgun?: Yes

> Registered guns per 1,000 adults: 12.5 (15th lowest)

> Federal firearm licensees per 1,000 establishments:35.3 (5th highest)

16. Montana

> License, registration, or permit required to buy gun?: No

> Permit needed to carry handgun?: Yes

> Registered guns per 1,000 adults: 16.0 (25th highest)

> Federal firearm licensees per 1,000 establishments:42.2 (3rd highest)

17. Nevada

> License, registration, or permit required to buy gun?: No

> Permit needed to carry handgun?: Yes

> Registered guns per 1,000 adults: 29.4 (7th highest)

> Federal firearm licensees per 1,000 establishments:22.8 (23rd highest)

18. New Hampshire

> License, registration, or permit required to buy gun?: No

> Permit needed to carry handgun?: Yes

> Registered guns per 1,000 adults: 21.8 (14th highest)

> Federal firearm licensees per 1,000 establishments:31.9 (7th highest)

19. New Mexico

> License, registration, or permit required to buy gun?: No

> Permit needed to carry handgun?: Yes

> Registered guns per 1,000 adults: 56.3 (2nd highest)

> Federal firearm licensees per 1,000 establishments:26.5 (15th highest)

20. North Dakota

> License, registration, or permit required to buy gun?: No

> Permit needed to carry handgun?: Yes

> Registered guns per 1,000 adults: 14.2 (19th lowest)

> Federal firearm licensees per 1,000 establishments:26.8 (12th highest)

21. Ohio

> License, registration, or permit required to buy gun?: No

> Permit needed to carry handgun?: Yes

> Registered guns per 1,000 adults: 15.1 (20th lowest)

> Federal firearm licensees per 1,000 establishments:20.3 (22nd lowest)

22. Oklahoma

> License, registration, or permit required to buy gun?: No

> Permit needed to carry handgun?: Yes

> Registered guns per 1,000 adults: 19.9 (18th highest)

> Federal firearm licensees per 1,000 establishments:27.1 (11th highest)

23. Oregon

> License, registration, or permit required to buy gun?: No

> Permit needed to carry handgun?: Yes

> Registered guns per 1,000 adults: 15.7 (21st lowest)

> Federal firearm licensees per 1,000 establishments:23.1 (20th highest)

24. Pennsylvania

> License, registration, or permit required to buy gun?: No

> Permit needed to carry handgun?: Yes

> Registered guns per 1,000 adults: 22.3 (12th highest)

> Federal firearm licensees per 1,000 establishments:21.2 (25th lowest)

25. Rhode Island

> License, registration, or permit required to buy gun?: No

> Permit needed to carry handgun?: Yes

> Registered guns per 1,000 adults: 4.8 (2nd lowest)

> Federal firearm licensees per 1,000 establishments:21.8 (25th highest)

26. South Carolina

> License, registration, or permit required to buy gun?: No

> Permit needed to carry handgun?: Yes

> Registered guns per 1,000 adults: 18.2 (21st highest)

> Federal firearm licensees per 1,000 establishments:21.9 (24th highest)

27. South Dakota

> License, registration, or permit required to buy gun?: No

> Permit needed to carry handgun?: Yes

> Registered guns per 1,000 adults: 18.7 (20th highest)

> Federal firearm licensees per 1,000 establishments:31.2 (9th highest)

28. Tennessee

> License, registration, or permit required to buy gun?: No

> Permit needed to carry handgun?: Yes

> Registered guns per 1,000 adults: 16.0 (23rd lowest)

> Federal firearm licensees per 1,000 establishments:26.6 (14th highest)

29. Texas

> License, registration, or permit required to buy gun?: No

> Permit needed to carry handgun?: Yes

> Registered guns per 1,000 adults: 20.3 (16th highest)

> Federal firearm licensees per 1,000 establishments:19.4 (21st lowest)

30. Utah

> License, registration, or permit required to buy gun?: No

> Permit needed to carry handgun?: Yes

> Registered guns per 1,000 adults: 37.9 (4th highest)

> Federal firearm licensees per 1,000 establishments:17.9 (19th lowest)

31. Vermont

> License, registration, or permit required to buy gun?: No

> Permit needed to carry handgun?: No

> Registered guns per 1,000 adults: 8.3 (8th lowest)

> Federal firearm licensees per 1,000 establishments:25.9 (17th highest)

32. Virginia

> License, registration, or permit required to buy gun?: No

> Permit needed to carry handgun?: Yes

> Registered guns per 1,000 adults: 41.5 (3rd highest)

> Federal firearm licensees per 1,000 establishments:23.0 (21st highest)

33. Washington

> License, registration, or permit required to buy gun?: No

> Permit needed to carry handgun?: Yes

> Registered guns per 1,000 adults: 12.5 (16th lowest)

> Federal firearm licensees per 1,000 establishments:16.2 (17th lowest)

34. West Virginia

> License, registration, or permit required to buy gun?: No

> Permit needed to carry handgun?: Yes

> Registered guns per 1,000 adults: 16.0 (22nd lowest)

> Federal firearm licensees per 1,000 establishments:40.6 (4th highest)

35. Wisconsin

> License, registration, or permit required to buy gun?: No

> Permit needed to carry handgun?: Yes

> Registered guns per 1,000 adults: 11.2 (11th lowest)

> Federal firearm licensees per 1,000 establishments:22.9 (22nd highest)

36. Wyoming

> License, registration, or permit required to buy gun?: No

> Permit needed to carry handgun?: No

> Registered guns per 1,000 adults: 278.2 (the highest)

> Federal firearm licensees per 1,000 establishments:43.1 (2nd highest)

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-easiest-states-to-buy-a-gun_us_5735cfa8e4b08f96c182dc38

 

[igrowone]

Christian terrorist...Oh wait he was white and a christian, only blacks and muslims can be called terrorists...

guy was an atheist, and was very public about it
what does that make him? just a murderer