TERROR IN NEW YORK!

[trichrider]

religion is the test-bed of extremism.
reduce the crisis to the lowest common denominator and it is religious belief.
even religion of love and acceptance is an extreme manifestation of belief.

i agree that our moral pulchritude is ingrained or maligned by opposing dogma instilled without consent or knowledge, however....

most other religions do not condone murder, violence, deception, homophobia, or oppression of women, to further their conquest of the heathens. they even kill their own in honor of their god.

killing a person for making jokes or cartoons is an unacceptable practice even in the name of some imaginary omnipotence.

play off your hypocrisy with multiple posts insinuating moral superiority, as if.

...and when you do get down to the lowest common denominator, it will be you.

 

[MJPassion]

Would be nice if that sacrificial goat would solve all your pesky problems though, huh ?

So there would be no Dylan Roofs if Obama was still in office ?

or maybe you hadn't heard of the various people caught spray painting racial slurs after Trumps election, that were not even remotely white ?

or hows about Richard Spencer ?

before leading "white nationalist" marches, he was ardent Obama supporter . . .

but yeah, keep trying to pin it on one guy. . . much easier than recognizing that there is a much larger concerted effort to divide and conqeuor

Aint nobody trying to place blame on any one single individual here...
That individuals policy... Maybe... But definitely not placing the blame solely on that one person.
That's a ridiculous notion!

Besides... If the POTUS isn't a scapegoat puppet to be pointed at, I don't know who is.
Puppet is his only real job!

 

[Weird]

religion is the test-bed of extremism.
reduce the crisis to the lowest common denominator and it is religious belief.
even religion of love and acceptance is an extreme manifestation of belief.

i agree that our moral pulchritude is ingrained or maligned by opposing dogma instilled without consent or knowledge, however....

most other religions do not condone murder, violence, deception, homophobia, or oppression of women, to further their conquest of the heathens. they even kill their own in honor of their god.

killing a person for making jokes or cartoons is an unacceptable practice even in the name of some imaginary omnipotence.

play off your hypocrisy with multiple posts insinuating moral superiority, as if.

...and when you do get down to the lowest common denominator, it will be you.

yes and if you understood the premise of Abraham religions and their texts they all illustrate the same ideal yet can be used to inflame the same tensions

this is where it isn't a problem created by individuals as much as an expression of frustration by those with least power and control regardless of demographic

it is easy to polarize people against xenophobic religions because it keeps the doors closed and ignorance rife

the people who an enlightened view and those in power who are also privy to the best educational and intelligence resources

us arguing about it is the chaotic result that keeps positive change repressed

that is how you can tell when someone is trying to persuade you, they tie a totalitarian ideal with a moral feeling because the later will justify the former

notice I did not discount or deny gypsy's experience but rather said it was limited to incarcerated Muslims who may not be a proper representation of any sect

huge generalizations on very small snippets of experience and information do not reveal the totality of a people

the cannabis subculture is a great microcosm of the same dynamic in and of that it was grossly stereotyped and that stereotype was vigorous and destroyed many lives and now that it is being destroyed people are seeing a different side of it

now how many people do you know that grew and smoked to get by whether it be because of money frustration or any other issues?

breaking the law for a plant is extreme in many people's eyes still and will be for years to come as will be revealed in prosecutions

does that make every grower a terrorist?

 

[Weird]

http://time.com/4569129/racist-anti-semitic-incidents-donald-trump/

potus has nothing to do with it?

http://www.pewresearch.org/2017/01/10/how-america-changed-during-barack-obamas-presidency/

 

[Weird]

about 600 dead in america by terrorism since trump was nominated

orlando - texas - ny

he wanted a powder keg and he got what he wanted

he always get what he wants by feeding people a line of shit and picking their pocket as they listen to him, and is known for it and people still gobble up his sales pitch like it is truth

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_engineering_(political_science)

most billionaires don't become that way because they give a they give a fuck about people more than they do their own wealth but let's blame 1.3 billion brown suspects instead of a suspect billionaire

 

[trichrider]

told ya so....

"not one of you truly believe until you wish for others what you wish for yourself."

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

The root cause is the western world terrorising the Middle East for nearly 16 years now , I don’t see any religious ties it’s simply a rebellious movement.

All things considered, the west has been messing with the Arab/Muslim world for hundreds of years....is it any wonder that today they are trying to fight back in any way they can, by attacking the invaders of their lands in their own back yards? There must be generations upon generations of hate fomented within the minds of so many muslims over at least a couple of hundred years towards the Turks, the British, the Russians, the French, the Germans and the Americans? (did I miss any one?)

Lets go back to the first Anglo-Afghan War:


The First Anglo-Afghan War (also known as Disaster in Afghanistan) was fought between British imperial India and the Emirate of Afghanistan from 1839 to 1842. The war is notorious for the loss of 4,500 British and Indian soldiers, plus 12,000 of their camp followers, to Afghan tribal fighters, but the British defeated the Afghans in the concluding engagement.

Initially, the British successfully intervened in a succession dispute between emir Dost Mohammad (Barakzai) and former emir Shah Shujah (Durrani), whom they installed upon conquering Kabul in August 1839. However, in 1841 the Army of the Indus, numbering between 24,000 and 28,000 including families of soldiers, military and political pundits, suffered a series of defeats at the hands of rebel Afghan tribesmen.

The main British Indian and Sikh force occupying Kabul, having endured harsh winters as well, was almost completely annihilated while retreating in January 1842. It was one of the first major conflicts during the Great Game, the 19th century competition for power and influence in Central Asia between Britain and Russia.

 

[Weird]

I think if you are going to add that information you have to keep in mind America's age, demographics and FUNCTIONAL diversity

many American's of all creeds etc aren't born with the same differences etched in our mind because we removed ourselves from those cultures and transplanted here

this is a land where atheism conservatism and ultra conservatism still function gracefully through all this since we opened ellis island although it has taken some time for us to lose old prejudices and open our minds

I have a very unique view of things since my grandparents where diverse and born in their country of origin. I was born into the diversity of people with deep cultural and religious imprinting

I as well as many other people feel rightly equal among diversity because that imprint was lost genetically

my mom's parents where Castilian and my father's father came from one of Augustus's estates (name withheld for identity) and my father's mother was German and english

Needless to say my grandmother browned her flour

I add this to give you an american perspective since this is about american terrorism in nyc the most populous melting pot on the planet and that makes the mindset of a NYer very relative

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

How about going back 1000 years or so ago to The Crusades...

The Crusades were a series of religious wars sanctioned by the Latin Church in the medieval period. The most commonly known Crusades are the campaigns in the Eastern Mediterranean aimed at recovering the Holy Land from Islamic rule but the term "Crusades" is also applied to other church-sanctioned campaigns. These were fought for a variety of reasons including the suppression of paganism and heresy, the resolution of conflict among rival Roman Catholic groups, or for political and territorial advantage. At the time of the early Crusades the word did not exist, only becoming the leading descriptive term around 1760.

In 1095 Pope Urban II called for the First Crusade in a sermon at the Council of Clermont. He encouraged military support for the Byzantine Empire and its Emperor, Alexios I, who needed reinforcements for his conflict with westward migrating Turks colonising Anatolia.

One of Urban's aims was to guarantee pilgrims access to the Eastern Mediterranean holy sites that were under Muslim control but scholars disagree as to whether this was the primary motive for Urban or those who heeded his call. Urban's strategy may have been to unite the Eastern and Western branches of Christendom, which had been divided since the East–West Schism of 1054 and to establish himself as head of the unified Church.

The initial success of the Crusade established the first four Crusader states in the Eastern Mediterranean: the County of Edessa, the Principality of Antioch, the Kingdom of Jerusalem and the County of Tripoli. The enthusiastic response to Urban's preaching from all classes in Western Europe established a precedent for other Crusades. Volunteers became Crusaders by taking a public vow and receiving plenary indulgences from the Church. Some were hoping for a mass ascension into heaven at Jerusalem or God's forgiveness for all their sins. Others participated to satisfy feudal obligations, obtain glory and honour or to seek economic and political gain.

The two-century attempt to recover the Holy Land ended in failure. Following the First Crusade there were six major Crusades and numerous less significant ones. After the last Catholic outposts fell in 1291 there were no more Crusades but the gains were longer lasting in Northern and Western Europe. The Wendish Crusade and those of the Archbishop of Bremen brought all the North-East Baltic and the tribes of Mecklenburg and Lusatia under Catholic control in the late 12th-century. In the early 13th century the Teutonic Order created a Crusader state in Prussia and the French monarchy used the Albigensian Crusade to extend the kingdom to the Mediterranean Sea.

The rise of the Ottoman Empire in the late 14th-century prompted a Catholic response which led to further defeats at Nicopolis in 1396 and Varna in 1444. Catholic Europe was in chaos and the final pivot of Christian–Islamic relations was marked by two seismic events: the fall of Constantinople to the Ottomans in 1453 and a final conclusive victory for the Spanish over the Moors with the conquest of Granada in 1492. The idea of Crusading continued, not least in the form of the Knights Hospitaller, until the end of the 18th-century but the focus of Western European interest moved to the New World.
Modern historians hold widely varying opinions of the Crusaders. To some, their conduct was incongruous with the stated aims and implied moral authority of the papacy, as evidenced by the fact that on occasion the Pope excommunicated Crusaders. Crusaders often pillaged as they travelled, and their leaders generally retained control of captured territory instead of returning it to the Byzantines. During the People's Crusade, thousands of Jews were murdered in what is now called the Rhineland massacres.

Constantinople was sacked during the Fourth Crusade. However, the Crusades had a profound impact on Western civilisation: they reopened the Mediterranean to commerce and travel (enabling Genoa and Venice to flourish); they consolidated the collective identity of the Latin Church under papal leadership; and they constituted a wellspring for accounts of heroism, chivalry, and piety that galvanised medieval romance, philosophy, and literature. The Crusades also reinforced the connection between Western Christendom, feudalism, and militarism.

 

[Weird]

I would like to add that my attitude has been unusually cheery during this debate

I think I deserve a gold star

 

[Weird]

How about going back 1000 years or so ago to The Crusades...

The Crusades were a series of religious wars sanctioned by the Latin Church in the medieval period. The most commonly known Crusades are the campaigns in the Eastern Mediterranean aimed at recovering the Holy Land from Islamic rule but the term "Crusades" is also applied to other church-sanctioned campaigns. These were fought for a variety of reasons including the suppression of paganism and heresy, the resolution of conflict among rival Roman Catholic groups, or for political and territorial advantage. At the time of the early Crusades the word did not exist, only becoming the leading descriptive term around 1760.

In 1095 Pope Urban II called for the First Crusade in a sermon at the Council of Clermont. He encouraged military support for the Byzantine Empire and its Emperor, Alexios I, who needed reinforcements for his conflict with westward migrating Turks colonising Anatolia.

One of Urban's aims was to guarantee pilgrims access to the Eastern Mediterranean holy sites that were under Muslim control but scholars disagree as to whether this was the primary motive for Urban or those who heeded his call. Urban's strategy may have been to unite the Eastern and Western branches of Christendom, which had been divided since the East–West Schism of 1054 and to establish himself as head of the unified Church.

The initial success of the Crusade established the first four Crusader states in the Eastern Mediterranean: the County of Edessa, the Principality of Antioch, the Kingdom of Jerusalem and the County of Tripoli. The enthusiastic response to Urban's preaching from all classes in Western Europe established a precedent for other Crusades. Volunteers became Crusaders by taking a public vow and receiving plenary indulgences from the Church. Some were hoping for a mass ascension into heaven at Jerusalem or God's forgiveness for all their sins. Others participated to satisfy feudal obligations, obtain glory and honour or to seek economic and political gain.

The two-century attempt to recover the Holy Land ended in failure. Following the First Crusade there were six major Crusades and numerous less significant ones. After the last Catholic outposts fell in 1291 there were no more Crusades but the gains were longer lasting in Northern and Western Europe. The Wendish Crusade and those of the Archbishop of Bremen brought all the North-East Baltic and the tribes of Mecklenburg and Lusatia under Catholic control in the late 12th-century. In the early 13th century the Teutonic Order created a Crusader state in Prussia and the French monarchy used the Albigensian Crusade to extend the kingdom to the Mediterranean Sea.

The rise of the Ottoman Empire in the late 14th-century prompted a Catholic response which led to further defeats at Nicopolis in 1396 and Varna in 1444. Catholic Europe was in chaos and the final pivot of Christian–Islamic relations was marked by two seismic events: the fall of Constantinople to the Ottomans in 1453 and a final conclusive victory for the Spanish over the Moors with the conquest of Granada in 1492. The idea of Crusading continued, not least in the form of the Knights Hospitaller, until the end of the 18th-century but the focus of Western European interest moved to the New World.
Modern historians hold widely varying opinions of the Crusaders. To some, their conduct was incongruous with the stated aims and implied moral authority of the papacy, as evidenced by the fact that on occasion the Pope excommunicated Crusaders. Crusaders often pillaged as they travelled, and their leaders generally retained control of captured territory instead of returning it to the Byzantines. During the People's Crusade, thousands of Jews were murdered in what is now called the Rhineland massacres.

Constantinople was sacked during the Fourth Crusade. However, the Crusades had a profound impact on Western civilisation: they reopened the Mediterranean to commerce and travel (enabling Genoa and Venice to flourish); they consolidated the collective identity of the Latin Church under papal leadership; and they constituted a wellspring for accounts of heroism, chivalry, and piety that galvanised medieval romance, philosophy, and literature. The Crusades also reinforced the connection between Western Christendom, feudalism, and militarism.

when it comes to the crusades I think we can both agree on this take on things

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wEgQ_01cXM

 

[Weird]

understand I am not asking anyone to accept those who commit acts of terror but rather not to label a swath of people terrorists because it causes further division and inflames the situation

we may not be able to solve the problem but we can effect it and how we individual feed into it or not

where does a reasonable discussion on identifying the good from the bad start? that is really the thing that makes it tough to go forward because there isn't much existing framework for it as our races diversity is a function of evolution and the irony we suffer resolving it, natural

 

[trichrider]

I would like to add that my attitude has been unusually cheery during this debate

I think I deserve a gold star

i wonder if Gold Star families would agree.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Hmmm, its been an interesting topic to pursue,

...and as we can see the roots of it go back a VERY long time in history.

There has long been problems/wars/insurrections and invasions between the muslim world and the christian world. I guess that with all this radical islamic terrorism in this day and age, we are just observing the modern interpretation of it.

 

[Weird]

Hmmm, its been an interesting topic to pursue,

...and as we can see the roots of it go back a VERY long time in history.

There has long been problems/wars/insurrections and invasions between the muslim world and the christian world. I guess that with all this radical islamic terrorism in this day and age, we are just observing the modern interpretation of it.

yes and because there is such rich history many people can instantly access resentment that has been ingrained through imprint

it makes it harder for all sides to abandon attachment to stereotyping because at one time this mindset was necessary for survival

now we really need to address resoling conflicting mindsets without force which means we need to keep our minds from adopting natural if not instinctive mindsets that would seek to set us apart

that is why I love this plant so much, it really acts as a glue that can bind us all on acceptable humanitarian terms

at least as I have experienced

also this is very much inspired by what I learned in that thread passthedoobie started long ago so thank you for that I know we both share common ground in appreciation of him

 

[Cannavore]

Weird, I was a civilian working in the middle east for 13 months in 2004-05..I was in Kuwait and Iraq...
It was not a nice place... I could see the absolute hatred in many of the eyes that stared at me...

probably because you were illegally occupying their country

if china put troops in texas how would we feel

 

[944s2]

""" He is not the messiah just a very naughty boy,,now piss off and leave us alone""" lol,,
lol,,lol,,,
from the Monty Python Team,,,s2

 

[Emperortaima]

I'm tired of this government pursuing terrorist attacks on our own people they do domestic terrorism then blame another country so they can instill us with hate and get us ready for war it's been a practice for years now. Imo I believe it's time to take action and start a revolutionary war against this corrupt government just as the 2nd amendment says to do if we have a tyrannical government we have to overthrow them until then these domestic terrorists will keep killing more and more people

Thanks for the information Gypsy it's always nice to be informed

 

[Cannavore]

i'll just leave this here.

^ i believe the bolded countries are on Trump's muslim ban list. what a threat they pose!



hey lets give the saudi's another $70 billion i'm sure they won't do anything bad with it. ironic how the podesta group lobbies for the saudis and tony podesta is a registered foreign agent/lobbyist with the saudis. must be another coincidence in a long standing line of coincidences.

 

[Cannabologist]

i'm pretty sure the last presidency had a lower occurrence of internal terrorism than either prior or latter at this point

he has put a divide between the parties because the political chaos is corporate america's playground (which is now manifest in the public)

that is how we got into the mess we are in today

just because causation is not direct doesn't mean it isn't in effect

No, it's sick lunatics like you who have created this divide, swallowing everything you want to hate hook line and sinker

You're just another side of the pyramid of crazy.

"... not all muslims are terrorists" is kinda like saying not all pedos rape kids. Like, sure. But, you know, SO WHAT?

probably because you were illegally occupying their country

if china put troops in texas how would we feel

There aren't any rape hungry warlords in Texas using religion to terrorize and enrich themselves, take over mass swaths of land and resources, and gathering armies of raping psychopaths, which causes the people of these areas to cry to Kansas and Colorado, and New Hampshire to take care of this problem or stop it before it grows...

OH snap, wait, we DO stop stop those fucks. I WONDER WHY HUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

...

kids. use your BRAINS before you wonder why we send guys with big guns to kill and occupy SHITHOLES where there are pieces of crap with guns trying to hurt people, take over resources, destroy ways of life for everyone, etc. etc.

These people are trying to kill YOU and your friends, and my friends. Sorry kiddos can't let that stuff happen. Its one thing when the governments are using their information technology to spy on their own people for their own crimes when we made that tech so we'all don't have to think "Hey when I go see the new Lego movie tonight with my pals should I have cleared the cookies on my browser tonight??" but you know., There are reasons. I donno where I'm going with this.

Look, you're f'ed all around, we don't need crazies who are killing people to what... effectuate revolution??? So you can stop watching new netflix shows and stop technological progress? Is that the point? These people don't actually kill in a way that does anything, they are just nuts.