Instead of blaming the people who commit the acts of violence let's blame the guy who didn't have a thing to do with it.seems to be the popular thing these days so why not?
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this isn't about Muslims but Islam if you read gypsy's post even he was clear about it
if you can't discriminate between the two and use contrived absurdist logic to straw man my logic it only shows how unreasonably biased you are and how wrong it is to stereotype based on any label
how about critical discourse rooted in logic and not some separatist mantra
there are Muslims on the nypd should I grab their gun and put them under citizens arrest because they are brown and religious?
healthy people find commonality based on humanity regardless of belief and you can use those very religions as an excuse to marginalize others just as you can use a fear or misunderstanding of religions to stereotype a millions if not billions of people
It is very easy to just hate and marginalize others out of fear for self preservation that is why it is used to control populaces
This thread being a perfect example of people being ruled by irrational emotion and not real data or face to face experience
Some of the most beautiful and loving people I have ever met in my life were the very stereotypes p[people condemn, of every color, race and walk of life. You would never know if you only show them a face of hate.
Quite the contrary cooter....I am not anti-muslim, or anti any religion for that matter, although I don't believe in any one of them.
Let people believe in what they want to believe in, so long as it doesn't end up with innocent people being slaughtered ever day, or every hour of every day...which we are seeing with islam.
People wonder WHY this is happening, they want answers, particularly those that have lost a loved one because of it, and the answers are all there within the koran where it praises and encourages those that kill the 'Kafirs' (the unbelievers) and if they die killing those that are not islamic, then they will go to paradise/heaven.
The koran is said to be the literal word of God/Allah who got his prophet Mohammed to write about how people should live and what they should believe in.
Yes, as you look further into the Christian religion, and particularly its history you seem to get the realization that their are many parallels which you can draw between Christianity 500 years ago and modern day Islam...
500 years ago Christianity in the form of the Catholic Church (or Holy Roman Church) was the only religion allowed throughout western Europe, and those that became powerful and profited from it (Popes and Priests, Cardinals, Bishops etc) would go to extreme lengths to hold onto that power and enforce their rules and the teachings of their bible that only they could read in its original text....
The original Koran written in some very obscure antique Arabic can only be understood by very few Muslims, mostly Imams and the hierarchy of that faith.
What Islam needs is some sort of reformation, to bring it up to the modern age and recently I heard that the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia was keen to go Islam-lite, and drop much of the hardline wahabi influence that makes that kingdom look so backward and severe to the rest of the world. So there might still be hope yet for Islam evolving from the dark ages.
I have heard of this this type of thing before in zen-Buddhism, when the Japanese Kamikaze pilots died in battle in WW2 before they were 40 years old, then it was said that they would also immediately go to heaven and have several virgins at their beck and call, by becoming a suicide pilot, and smashing their bomb loaded planes into the American ships.
This isn't about race, or creed or colour, it is about a crooked and dangerous ideology that indoctrinates children into this way of thinking, brainwashes them, then turns them into a weapon to carry out these evil and repulsive deeds.
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This is full of so much anti Islam propaganda I just quoted whole thing. What if 5% of white nationalist who own guns decided to shoot people? Don't get me started on the numerous Christian groups who practice polygamy and marry young girls or the Catholic church and its pedophile history. Please stop fear mongering its not helpful. I am not religious and think that people that who are believe in fairy tales. However I am not arrogant enough to tell people they aren't practicing their religion correctly.
Propoganda?....really? Have I said anything that is not true so far cooter?
'Propaganda is the spreading of information in support of a cause. It’s not so important whether the information is true or false or if the cause is just or not — it’s all propaganda.'
I assure you, that I am not spreading any false information in the name of any cause because I have none. I am in the pursuit of perhaps educating people about why these islamic terror attacks occur by looking at this ideology deeply, so getting to the root of the problem.
If you have a problem, then you try to come up with a solution, and you can generally only do that by analytically studying the reasons behind that problem in the first place before you can ever have a hope of finding out why that problem keeps happening, over and over again, as is the case with these terror attacks.
If the nazi's were amongst us committing regular daily atrocities, then I am sure that the relevant authorities would do something about it by perhaps banning the nazi party, and rounding up these fanatics.
....and I am not fear mongering, just trying get at the truth and the reasons why these attacks are happening.
Should we all just shut-up and say or do absolutely nothing about it?....all hold hands and sing 'Kumbaya' while regurgitating the same old worn/tired platitudes while lighting more candles, every time this re-occurs?...
Should we all just go about our business complacent to the fact that some warped, murderous ideology is attempting to wipe us all (who don't believe in their warped dogma) from the face of the planet? Does that not concern you?...Can you always say 'Oh well, nothing bad happened to me or my family....yet, so why should I be at all worried about it?'...
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Sad news indeed.
But also smells mighty fishy...
But also smells mighty fishy...
troutman
Seed Whore
Like blaming the alcohol brewer for the liquor problems in the Trailer Park Mr. Leahy?
Religion is poison. Dogma is a whip. Mankind is a beast. There is no Santa Claus.
blaming a national leader for their effect on foreign policy is not like blaming the brewery for my leahy but to your point. Why does the brewery get sued if they over server lmr leahy here in America?
because they are regulated which means producer, consumer and government have a causative relationship
Can anyone name a single country with a majority of white populates that is benefiting the planet in any way?
It goes well beyond religion and Trump, but when that is what is being shown as the face of western civilization, were all in trouble. You can't vote for a whiter planet and act like you didn't mean it...
It goes well beyond religion and Trump, but when that is what is being shown as the face of western civilization, were all in trouble. You can't vote for a whiter planet and act like you didn't mean it...
Can you name any country that is benefiting the planet right now?
Most are hell-bent on harvesting as much natural resources as possible, while they pollute it...
Anyway, what this has to do with the NY Terror Attack, I have not a clue.
Keep it on topic guys/gals
Gizmo
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@ Gypsy Nirvana : yours words are shocking and untrue, its clear you know or understand nothing about Islam, i advise you one thing, come to the mosque close to you and meet muslims, ask them questions to understand their religion and come back after when you will understand the subject, until then its better to say nothing than what you wrote, isn't again your TOU by the way ? smoke a joint man and relax man 
Russian-Backed Facebook Accounts Staged Events Around Divisive Issues
https://www.wsj.com/articles/russia...1?mod=nwsrl_pro_vc_ma_ipos&cx_refModule=nwsrl
since the 80's Russia has tried to divide America using propaganda techniques
the internet is a tool but their activity has exponentially grown through it since Trump's nomination and there are multiple studies that show divisive tension here and abroad since he took office
these tensions where noted and attributed to TRUMP
since then we have had a number of "lone wolf" terrorists boil over with anger and frustration and kill hundreds of people from the Orlando shooting to now
we didn't have the same intense internal racial strife or foreign because it was policy to work together while it is Trump's policy to divide and concquer
he doesn't have to be implicit with russia to have a similar strategy that allows them to undermine our stability
the man never held office, has 0 political experience and if he was in office instead of obama there would be no legal weed
how soon people forget obama worked to keep these dynamics from tearing America apart while not alienating anyone unless absolutely necessary
whose started the iraq war that destabilized the middle east? bush and cheney (haliburton)
who was in office when they caught osama?
see the war on terror need not be on anything else but those particular parties that perpetrate terror
people talk about the imprint of Islam but not the imprint of ignorance or apathy, we all have a stake in how things turn out and what we bring to the table effects the outcome
https://www.wsj.com/articles/russia...1?mod=nwsrl_pro_vc_ma_ipos&cx_refModule=nwsrl
since the 80's Russia has tried to divide America using propaganda techniques
the internet is a tool but their activity has exponentially grown through it since Trump's nomination and there are multiple studies that show divisive tension here and abroad since he took office
these tensions where noted and attributed to TRUMP
since then we have had a number of "lone wolf" terrorists boil over with anger and frustration and kill hundreds of people from the Orlando shooting to now
we didn't have the same intense internal racial strife or foreign because it was policy to work together while it is Trump's policy to divide and concquer
he doesn't have to be implicit with russia to have a similar strategy that allows them to undermine our stability
the man never held office, has 0 political experience and if he was in office instead of obama there would be no legal weed
how soon people forget obama worked to keep these dynamics from tearing America apart while not alienating anyone unless absolutely necessary
whose started the iraq war that destabilized the middle east? bush and cheney (haliburton)
who was in office when they caught osama?
see the war on terror need not be on anything else but those particular parties that perpetrate terror
people talk about the imprint of Islam but not the imprint of ignorance or apathy, we all have a stake in how things turn out and what we bring to the table effects the outcome
Iceland but there are many others
they jailed the bankers because of corruption and dealt with those that manipulated policy for personal gain
every country needs housekeeping in this regard some more than others
not all leaders are ok with corruption some have to work within the framework regardless which makes for an exponentially harder but not impossible job
but what is the pay off if it isn't money? you have care about humanity more so than self enrichment and even the a polarized pragmatist realizes they need humanity to have the things we are enjoying now like this internet community that is compromised of every race religion and creed and that judging someone by a label is likely to plant a seed that will manifest the attributes of that label whether it was there in the beginning or not
not that there aren't fucked up people in the world, there are plenty of fucked up perceptions here, but do any of them make anyone less valuable outside of that perception? and isn't it the effect of that perception on their behavior that matters? now the perception itself? and don't we have the capacity to change our perception or how our perception influences our behavior?
food for thought
@ Gypsy Nirvana : yours words are shocking and untrue, its clear you know or understand nothing about Islam, i advise you one thing, come to the mosque close to you and meet muslims, ask them questions to understand their religion and come back after when you will understand the subject, until then its better to say nothing than what you wrote, isn't again your TOU by the way ? smoke a joint man and relax man
Can you tell me what is untrue about what I have written Gizmo?
When I was locked up in detention a couple of years ago I met several radical islamists who tried to convert me to islam. I was open to their suggestions and took it upon myself to actually read an English translation of the koran and all of the hadiths. I lived amongst those guys for several months. They were generally quite good to me as long as they felt that there was a chance I might convert.
They all told me that the koran was the literal word of god/allah and none of them were allowed to live outside what the koran told them to do.
I found that book to be one of the most barbaric books I have ever read. Throughout that book you were encouraged to conquer/control/enslave/tax and kill the 'Kafir'
They even ordained dishonesty towards anyone who was not of the faith.
I was shocked, but kept my feelings about it to my self because there was many of them, and only one of me.
If I go down to the local mosque I will probably just meet some of what you might call 'moderate muslims', and not the kind of guys who are interested in committing death and destruction, waging jihad etc.....and they would most probably be quite decent fellas.
You really believe presidents do their own bidding ?
Seems too naïve, man.
So scapegoating the opposite party than what you believe in, is not already Divide and Conquer in action ?
Gizmo
Member
So you based your opinion on radical people you met in prison ? i already hear it as a problem, you did not talk to the right people.
You said you read the koran and all the hadith ? but did you well understand them ? koran has to be explained by someone, you cant read it like a novel and read it literally. you dont read koran and hadith like that and say "i have read them all i have all undersatnd" same thing apply for the bible the talmud or any religious/phylosophical book.
Again i advise you to meet the good people with an open heart. sorry to inform you you did not undestand Islam.
I post this just to show that imprints are not always impenetrable but moreso that the humanity within us all is ultimately greater than the diversity in our belief
https://www.rt.com/viral/371340-meet-black-man-kkk/
Meet the black man who converted 200 KKK members by becoming their pal (VIDEO, PHOTOS)
not to discount or diminish your reality but you really impressed me with your compassionate understanding towards those who contributed to your legal problems because their ignorant actions where influenced by pressures they didn't quite fully understand. Something you came to understand after everything came full circle.
If I remember correctly I was the one calling for retribution but I get a bit emotionally invested in what I perceive to be right or wrong at times as well. Didn't mean my feelings weren't real but my feelings being real didn't mean that ultimately that it would be right react on them. You had the superior understanding of the situation after everything unfolded and I am sure your feelings when everything first happened are different than they are now.
Remember, you where all prisoners so I have to ask what effect that has on their interpretation of their religion and their desire for separatism? where they in prison for being extremists in the first place?
I am not making an excuse to say their interpretation is reasonable but rather that they may not represent everyone who reads the same book or belief of that belief or imprint makes it impossible to connect with the humanity that holds it.
scapegoating what party?
trump ran on draining the swamp and disrupting existing government
it is the same mantra used to drive the tech industry to churn out new product and force new sales
I posted background information, none of my opinions are based on feels that I can't actualize through some real life metric
you know why fake news is a thing? because many people can't disseminate truth from fiction and you only need to lead a good percentage of people, not all of them
I would really like to see anyone bring anything to the table that is reflected in something measurable then feelings
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