horrible analogy
i guess all white men are school shooters or have it in them to do school shootings then. you know, since pretty much all school shootings (97%) have been done by white men.
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horrible analogy
i guess all white men are school shooters or have it in them to do school shootings then. you know, since pretty much all school shootings (97%) have been done by white men.
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cooterbrown420
Now how about the collapsing of Syria and Libya during previous presidents reign ?
Also of note, Qadaffi was basically bankrolling the African Union. . . his downfall was the start of boots(US & Co,) on the ground in Africa. . . also was well known prediction of what would happen to Europe if he was taken out. . . but it seems Trump should get blamed for that, huh ?
But hey, keep believing the media. . . we all know they are our friends and tell us nothing but the truth.
Author of Rasta and Resistance, Horace Campbell could tell you what he thinks of the Libyan adventures of previous admin. . . so could the creator of Pan African Newswire. . now I may not agree with them on all things political. . . but they can obviously see a stinking pile of crap for just what it is.
G `day CG
It goes back closer to 100 years .
End of WW 1 . But it was English and French running the show back in the day . Merica in the middle east is a post 1945 thang .
Thanks for sharin
EB .
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moose eater
I'm Agnostic.
Government-backed corporate and/or strategic meddling around the world, to include propping up of despots in places where hate grew by virtue of watching who was handed $ and weapons, how those despots treated their own, etc., all play a roll.. and it started well over a hundred years ago.
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
Wow.. After reading all of this, I'm staying in for the day, week, month, maybe year or so. Time to find that cave in the real estate section, I think.
A huge thanks for all who strive to see the forest despite the trees. As a person who has hated with cause, for a long time, seen pain and death of loved ones, etc., I will not get on any band-wagons where nationalism and hollow propagandist bullshit are concerned.
Condolences to the families in pain, to the millions our military crippled, maimed or murdered, to the children abducted by extremists in the middle east, Africa, and more, to the religious victims of the Taliban or Mujahedeen, to those raped and murdered by our 'School of the Americas'-trained folks in Central America while fighting those "Marxist atheists" (*Never mind that Marx wasn't an Atheist, speaking of using religion to validate murder and mayhem), and to all people who end up being steam-rolled by Oligarchies and their government hand-puppets, and those affected who don't know it yet.
When our species vanishes from the planet, and the critters remaining sigh in relief, will there be anyone left who really deeply understands why all this bullshit happened? Really?
Dark times.
Government-backed corporate and/or strategic meddling around the world, to include propping up of despots in places where hate grew by virtue of watching who was handed $ and weapons, how those despots treated their own, etc., all play a roll.. and it started well over a hundred years ago.
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
Wow.. After reading all of this, I'm staying in for the day, week, month, maybe year or so. Time to find that cave in the real estate section, I think.
A huge thanks for all who strive to see the forest despite the trees. As a person who has hated with cause, for a long time, seen pain and death of loved ones, etc., I will not get on any band-wagons where nationalism and hollow propagandist bullshit are concerned.
Condolences to the families in pain, to the millions our military crippled, maimed or murdered, to the children abducted by extremists in the middle east, Africa, and more, to the religious victims of the Taliban or Mujahedeen, to those raped and murdered by our 'School of the Americas'-trained folks in Central America while fighting those "Marxist atheists" (*Never mind that Marx wasn't an Atheist, speaking of using religion to validate murder and mayhem), and to all people who end up being steam-rolled by Oligarchies and their government hand-puppets, and those affected who don't know it yet.
When our species vanishes from the planet, and the critters remaining sigh in relief, will there be anyone left who really deeply understands why all this bullshit happened? Really?
Dark times.
Green Squall
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No surprise that the suspect is showing no remorse for what he's done. As he lay wounded in the hospital, he asked to display the ISIS flag in his room and "stated that he felt good about what he had done," prosecutors said in court papers.
I hope one of the nurses "forgets" to administer his pain meds
I hope one of the nurses "forgets" to administer his pain meds
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Water-
With God On Our Side
WRITTEN BY: BOB DYLAN
Oh my name it is nothin’
My age it means less
The country I come from
Is called the Midwest
I’s taught and brought up there
The laws to abide
And that the land that I live in
Has God on its side
Oh the history books tell it
They tell it so well
The cavalries charged
The Indians fell
The cavalries charged
The Indians died
Oh the country was young
With God on its side
Oh the Spanish-American
War had its day
And the Civil War too
Was soon laid away
And the names of the heroes
l’s made to memorize
With guns in their hands
And God on their side
Oh the First World War, boys
It closed out its fate
The reason for fighting
I never got straight
But I learned to accept it
Accept it with pride
For you don’t count the dead
When God’s on your side
When the Second World War
Came to an end
We forgave the Germans
And we were friends
Though they murdered six million
In the ovens they fried
The Germans now too
Have God on their side
I’ve learned to hate Russians
All through my whole life
If another war starts
It’s them we must fight
To hate them and fear them
To run and to hide
And accept it all bravely
With God on my side
But now we got weapons
Of the chemical dust
If fire them we’re forced to
Then fire them we must
One push of the button
And a shot the world wide
And you never ask questions
When God’s on your side
Through many dark hour
I’ve been thinkin’ about this
That Jesus Christ
Was betrayed by a kiss
But I can’t think for you
You’ll have to decide
Whether Judas Iscariot
Had God on his side
So now as I’m leavin’
I’m weary as Hell
The confusion I’m feelin’
Ain’t no tongue can tell
The words fill my head
And fall to the floor
If God’s on our side
He’ll stop the next war.
WRITTEN BY: BOB DYLAN
Oh my name it is nothin’
My age it means less
The country I come from
Is called the Midwest
I’s taught and brought up there
The laws to abide
And that the land that I live in
Has God on its side
Oh the history books tell it
They tell it so well
The cavalries charged
The Indians fell
The cavalries charged
The Indians died
Oh the country was young
With God on its side
Oh the Spanish-American
War had its day
And the Civil War too
Was soon laid away
And the names of the heroes
l’s made to memorize
With guns in their hands
And God on their side
Oh the First World War, boys
It closed out its fate
The reason for fighting
I never got straight
But I learned to accept it
Accept it with pride
For you don’t count the dead
When God’s on your side
When the Second World War
Came to an end
We forgave the Germans
And we were friends
Though they murdered six million
In the ovens they fried
The Germans now too
Have God on their side
I’ve learned to hate Russians
All through my whole life
If another war starts
It’s them we must fight
To hate them and fear them
To run and to hide
And accept it all bravely
With God on my side
But now we got weapons
Of the chemical dust
If fire them we’re forced to
Then fire them we must
One push of the button
And a shot the world wide
And you never ask questions
When God’s on your side
Through many dark hour
I’ve been thinkin’ about this
That Jesus Christ
Was betrayed by a kiss
But I can’t think for you
You’ll have to decide
Whether Judas Iscariot
Had God on his side
So now as I’m leavin’
I’m weary as Hell
The confusion I’m feelin’
Ain’t no tongue can tell
The words fill my head
And fall to the floor
If God’s on our side
He’ll stop the next war.
New York attack suspect Sayfullo Saipov charged with terrorism
Saipov, 29, suspected of killing eight people by driving truck on to bike path
Isis videos of beheadings and shootings found on suspect’s cellphone
The suspect in Tuesday’s deadly New York City truck attack appears to have been inspired by violent Isis videos depicting beheadings and shootings, according to prosecutors.
Sayfullo Saipov was taken to the New York federal courthouse in a wheelchair, handcuffed and with his feet shackled on Wednesday, shortly after the charges were announced at a press conference.
The 29-year-old was charged with providing material support to a terrorist group and violence and destruction of motor vehicles.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/01/new-york-attack-sayfullo-saipov-terrorism-charges
The details of the charges were outlined in criminal complaint filed Wednesday by the US attorney for the southern district court of New York. Prosecutors said in the complaint that Saipov planned the attack for Halloween because he knew more people would be out on the streets. It was the deadliest terrorist act in New York City since 9/11.
Saipov drove a rented Home Depot truck down a bike lane intentionally, killing eight and injuring 12 before crashing into a school bus, exiting and being shot in the stomach by a New York City police department officer. He had planned to continue the attack for several more miles to the Brooklyn Bridge.
According to the complaint, Saipov was inspired by Isis videos he watched on his cellphone and began planning an attack in the US almost a year ago and had rented a truck on 22 October to practice making turns.
Law enforcement recovered two cellphones from the truck used in the attack, including one phone that had approximately 90 videos which appeared to be Isis propaganda, according to the complaint. The videos included footage of fighters shooting someone in the face, beheadings and information on how to make an explosive device.
Saipov was interviewed by law enforcement officials while recovering from the gunshot wound in the hospital, where he asked to display the Isis flag in his room and told officials “he felt good about what he had done”, prosecutors said in the complaint.
Police try to retrace New York attacker's moves as Trump sows discord
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Saipov dropped a pellet gun and paintball gun at the scene, prosecutors said. In the truck, he also left behind a note, handwritten in Arabic and English, that included Islamic religious references.
John Miller, deputy New York police commissioner for intelligence, said at an earlier press conference that Saipov “appears to have followed, almost exactly to a T, the instructions that Isis has put out”.
In the past few years, the Islamic State has exhorted followers online to use vehicles, knives or other close-at-hand means of killing people in their home countries. England, France and Germany have all seen deadly vehicle attacks since mid-2016.
A November 2016 issue of the group’s online magazine detailed features that an attack truck or van should have, suggested renting such a vehicle and recommended targeting crowded streets and outdoor gatherings, according to the Site Intelligence Group, a militant-monitoring agency.
The charge sheet makes extensive note of Saipov’s fervent, pledged support for Isis. It said he wanted to attach the Isis flag to the front and back of his rental truck when he launched the attack, but decided against that as it might draw too much attention to him.
The FBI briefly announced it was looking to question a second Uzbek man in conjunction with the attack on Wednesday but withdrew the bulletin shortly after. “We’ve found him and I’ll leave it at that,” said William Sweeney, assistant director of the FBI’s New York field office, at a press conference on Wednesday night.
The attack killed five people from Argentina, one from Belgium and two Americans, authorities said. Nine people remained hospitalized in serious or critical condition, with injuries that included lost limbs and wounds to the head, chest and neck.
On Wednesday, the Belgian who was killed was identified as Ann-Laure Decadt, 31, the mother of a 3-year-old and a 3-month-old son, who had traveled with her relatives to New York from a rural town in Belgium. Her husband and children had not traveled with her.
The only New Yorker killed in the attack was 23-year-old Nicholas Cleves, a software engineer and web developer who lived in Manhattan’s Greenwich Village.
Online profiles show he went to Elisabeth Irwin high school in New York City and graduated last year from Skidmore College with a degree in computer science. He had been working as a software engineer for the Unified Digital Group.
On the morning after the bloodshed, city leaders vowed New York would not be intimidated, and they commended New Yorkers for going ahead with Halloween festivities on Tuesday night.
They also said Sunday’s New York City Marathon, with 50,000 participants and some 2 million spectators anticipated, will go on as scheduled on 5 November.
“We will not be cowed. We will not be thrown off by anything,” said Mayor Bill de Blasio.
While the mayor said there have been no credible threats of any additional attacks, police said they were adding more sniper teams, bomb-sniffing dogs, helicopters, sand-truck barricades and other security measures along the marathon route, in the subways and at other sites.
Saipov, 29, suspected of killing eight people by driving truck on to bike path
Isis videos of beheadings and shootings found on suspect’s cellphone
The suspect in Tuesday’s deadly New York City truck attack appears to have been inspired by violent Isis videos depicting beheadings and shootings, according to prosecutors.
Sayfullo Saipov was taken to the New York federal courthouse in a wheelchair, handcuffed and with his feet shackled on Wednesday, shortly after the charges were announced at a press conference.
The 29-year-old was charged with providing material support to a terrorist group and violence and destruction of motor vehicles.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/01/new-york-attack-sayfullo-saipov-terrorism-charges
The details of the charges were outlined in criminal complaint filed Wednesday by the US attorney for the southern district court of New York. Prosecutors said in the complaint that Saipov planned the attack for Halloween because he knew more people would be out on the streets. It was the deadliest terrorist act in New York City since 9/11.
Saipov drove a rented Home Depot truck down a bike lane intentionally, killing eight and injuring 12 before crashing into a school bus, exiting and being shot in the stomach by a New York City police department officer. He had planned to continue the attack for several more miles to the Brooklyn Bridge.
According to the complaint, Saipov was inspired by Isis videos he watched on his cellphone and began planning an attack in the US almost a year ago and had rented a truck on 22 October to practice making turns.
Law enforcement recovered two cellphones from the truck used in the attack, including one phone that had approximately 90 videos which appeared to be Isis propaganda, according to the complaint. The videos included footage of fighters shooting someone in the face, beheadings and information on how to make an explosive device.
Saipov was interviewed by law enforcement officials while recovering from the gunshot wound in the hospital, where he asked to display the Isis flag in his room and told officials “he felt good about what he had done”, prosecutors said in the complaint.
Police try to retrace New York attacker's moves as Trump sows discord
Read more
Saipov dropped a pellet gun and paintball gun at the scene, prosecutors said. In the truck, he also left behind a note, handwritten in Arabic and English, that included Islamic religious references.
John Miller, deputy New York police commissioner for intelligence, said at an earlier press conference that Saipov “appears to have followed, almost exactly to a T, the instructions that Isis has put out”.
In the past few years, the Islamic State has exhorted followers online to use vehicles, knives or other close-at-hand means of killing people in their home countries. England, France and Germany have all seen deadly vehicle attacks since mid-2016.
A November 2016 issue of the group’s online magazine detailed features that an attack truck or van should have, suggested renting such a vehicle and recommended targeting crowded streets and outdoor gatherings, according to the Site Intelligence Group, a militant-monitoring agency.
The charge sheet makes extensive note of Saipov’s fervent, pledged support for Isis. It said he wanted to attach the Isis flag to the front and back of his rental truck when he launched the attack, but decided against that as it might draw too much attention to him.
The FBI briefly announced it was looking to question a second Uzbek man in conjunction with the attack on Wednesday but withdrew the bulletin shortly after. “We’ve found him and I’ll leave it at that,” said William Sweeney, assistant director of the FBI’s New York field office, at a press conference on Wednesday night.
The attack killed five people from Argentina, one from Belgium and two Americans, authorities said. Nine people remained hospitalized in serious or critical condition, with injuries that included lost limbs and wounds to the head, chest and neck.
On Wednesday, the Belgian who was killed was identified as Ann-Laure Decadt, 31, the mother of a 3-year-old and a 3-month-old son, who had traveled with her relatives to New York from a rural town in Belgium. Her husband and children had not traveled with her.
The only New Yorker killed in the attack was 23-year-old Nicholas Cleves, a software engineer and web developer who lived in Manhattan’s Greenwich Village.
Online profiles show he went to Elisabeth Irwin high school in New York City and graduated last year from Skidmore College with a degree in computer science. He had been working as a software engineer for the Unified Digital Group.
On the morning after the bloodshed, city leaders vowed New York would not be intimidated, and they commended New Yorkers for going ahead with Halloween festivities on Tuesday night.
They also said Sunday’s New York City Marathon, with 50,000 participants and some 2 million spectators anticipated, will go on as scheduled on 5 November.
“We will not be cowed. We will not be thrown off by anything,” said Mayor Bill de Blasio.
While the mayor said there have been no credible threats of any additional attacks, police said they were adding more sniper teams, bomb-sniffing dogs, helicopters, sand-truck barricades and other security measures along the marathon route, in the subways and at other sites.
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