TAG - Landing (Resource for True Aero Growing)

[JustATry]

Well, I just checked out BioControls and this is what I found -

Strawberries Aeroponic Nutrient - (8-12-32)
Peppers & Herb Aeroponic Nutrient - (11-11-40)
Tomato Aeroponic Nutrient - (4-18-38)
Lettuce Aeroponic Nutrient - (8-15-36)
Aeroponic Universal Mineral Formula - (10-8-32)

But you are right, 100% Everything is needing INSANE amounts of K! Good catch. I actually think you would want to be closer to a 11-11-40 though.

 

[Guest]

Was that a 11-11-40 oh shit...I'm sorry..wow... we are even further off...shit. Sorry smoking my bubble hash, makes me an idiot. J'ai regret.

However, yeah...Right? I've been thinking I'm burning the hell out of my plants and the entire time they have been suffering K def out the ass.

Which means only one thing I'm afraid.... Bigger fatter buds...Oh my.

 

[JustATry]

So how are we going to get there with our 2-1.5-4? x5 would be 10-7.5-20. So we are still low on the P and K. I think a shot of PK 13/14 or Hydroplex would work. Thoughts?

 

[Guest]

That is how I got there I think, by hook and crook. lol

I started out just trying to balance my res every fucking day as the ph keeps diving overnight (as they pack) to like 4.8 sometimes, not lately I catch it at 5.4. I was using just straight K ph up and then found the addition of a little Cal/Mag helped hit 6.0 right on and adds like 10ppms a tablespoon. It has N as well at like 2 percent.

Anyhow, I continued to work back and forth with a cup of RO with a shot of Hydroplex in it (like 4800ppms lol) Ph 2.6 I think...so no good for that, but with the hit of Cal/Mag at 6.2 it seems to even the water out at 6.0.

I've just been dosing back and forth with P and K and Cal/mag until she is stable at around 800 now.

But there is definitely a need to find a product, unless we are just going to order Biocontrol's version. Its only $17...I'm hold off for a second as I'm probably going to buy some nozzles too.

But yeah, now the trick is to find your 'base' at a 1-1-4 or close as you can and then supplement up to that ratio.

Should I go back and fix that error in my posts? I feel bad about that being incorrect.

However this is at 800 now.



Power Flower has a 2-2-5 ratio, which explains why it was doing so well for TAG. That is at least a 10-10-25 which is closer. Using their Hydroplex that's a total of 10-14-35 which looks to be right in that range. But looks from my Widows like I could have hit 50 on the K scale. lol

 

[JustATry]

I will have to play with my rez tomorrow and bump up to 750'ish. But yes, we do need to find a way to compensate the NPK values to meet TAG requirements.

 

[Guest]

Well I have found this so far..for Tomtoms no less its a 1-1-4...

http://store.yahoo.com/cleanairgardening/tomatogrow.html

 

[Guest]

Here is a good example of what has transpired.

This was the shape of the leaves after first going into Skywalker at about 650 ppms of standard Organic mix (so no burn should be present as advertised by Botanicare's Power Series) However it is obviously deficent in enough K as we are finding.



After countless battles with ph dropping daily, it appears there exists a huge K def in TAG, the accelerated growth I would imagine, so at this point I've bumped the P and K up with the K being the major contribution and Cal/Mag with its added Mg for the mix and some chelating agents.

Now we are looking like this:




Like my roots I like my leaves to be flawless and huge as well. I wont stop util I've created another monster. I love being an mad scientist.


Now I'm just wonderin' how high they could actually go with the correct ratio. Here all this time I'm thinking there is a K flip in flower, but honestly it is probably just a more sever def, just late in flower. Interesting if they could hold DWC levels or even more...??? Hmmm that would mean like superfuckin' I donno buds man...Like I'm scared...for reals. That would be some sick ass shit, wow... hey let's go for it!

 

[Purpleseed]

Now this is getting very,very interesting!!

Now what's a pure K source ??
Surely we can find something that's equal in N and P then add K to desired level !

Why do I feel like I missed something... (where could I have use this smilie ? Do alien spaceship have internet ?)


Anybody knows about this meter ? Sounds cheap...
Hanna Gro'Chek Continuous pH/TDS/EC/Temp



The new HI 991404 meters from Hanna are designed for continuous, high accuracy pH, EC/TDS and temperature measurements. These microprocessor indicators continuously monitor the three ...

Retail Price: $169.95
Your Price: $129.95




First time experiencing this site taking long to upload,edit,etc.

 

[Guest]

Well as mentioned before a really good chelated version is in seaweed.

There are number of supplements, however this one sounds interesting:

http://www.nationalgardenwholesale.com/detail.php?id=04_NS&prod=1333

Its a Dutchmaster Potash Plus which is ionized for rapid uptake with added P. Should work well, as you can also just use Ph Up.

Earth Juice(tm) META-K

 

[JustATry]

You know what, I found the same Potash + last night after doing some research. I am going to head out and pick up a liter today. We are playing a guessing game though with the NPK values. I just wish there was a more definitive solution.

PS - Hanna makes great meters, but that meter sucks. Now I haven't tried it personally, but a good friend did. The interface went bad after a couple of weeks so he picked up another unit. Then the pen, or whatever reads the solution, went bad a couple of weeks later. He ended up just taking it back and getting a handheld combo meter. Again, this is not personal experience. Just the messenger.

 

[Purpleseed]

Thanks JAT!
I know I saw a post somewhere of a bad meter and I think this is the one but OG and CW are not in function right now,so could'nt find no review,comments nothing.
I have maybe 2 weeks and a half left in the flo,and pm is building it's way up in the buds.
If I use the burner now,I might get fart tasting buds.I'll have to do it the spray till the end...But this going to be the last TIME !!!!

 

[guineapig]

that bunny is so funny...he and my guinea pig would be great friends....
hope we can solve the K problem....and it will be solved.....-gp out

 

[Guest]

It really isn't that confusing really. Just get yourself a really nice well balanced base nutrient that is close to the 1-1-4 ratio and then add the remaining K as silica and balance with P (phosphoric acid ph down) and you should be right on the money.


Such as Power Flower at 2-2-5 plus a liquid 0-0-15 would be right on the money at 2-2-20.

 

[Guest]

Ya know Pod,your obviously an intelligent person but,your drowning in your thoughts.And I mean that.Its not meant as an insult.Your quest for knowlege has you dillusional thinking that you know the truth.Simplify your self and youll be much happier.I know what its like to burn to know the truth.What Ive found is that its a neverending search and it doesnt satisfy.Relax man.Instead of looking out there for answers,take a calm look at yourself and see what youve become.

 

[Guest]

Thanks for the dime store analysis DoVVn, but I've already done a full course of therapy. :wink: I'm not drowning in anything, I'm extremely happy with my life and what I've become. As a matter of fact, I think I'm seriously by far the most healthy and relaxed of anyone I currently know—personally. I don't know what gave you the idea I'm frantically searching for anything, I have all the answers I need currently, the rest is all just for shits and giggles.

But I appreciate your concern.

Moving on...

I'm trying this as my new mix for now, as the ppms are at like 1200 now today...odd. But ph is stable, stranger still. So I'm refilling with:

400 ppms of Hydroplex (0-4-10), 250 ppms Cal/Mag Plus (2-0-0), 200 ppms Power Plant (3-2-5) and a little TAR for good measure. So I'm close to 900 ppms with all the added shit running a ratio of 5-6-15 which set my ph at 3.8. So I added K (Ph up) until I hit 6.0, which also took a bit more than I would have imagined and now bumps my ratio up to at least 5-6-20 I would think. So I'm going to flush the res and reload with this hot K mix.


I'm calling it my Special K mix! lol

The girls are doing fantastic I'll have some pictures later. I also went and bought enough shit for another 6x4 table...opps. My bad.



You all will have to excuse the grammar today, I smokin' bubble hash from my collection...so I'm twisted beyond belief right now.

 

[JustATry]

I just got back from stocking up on nutes. I picked up a 5 liter jug of Potash +. It's a 1-5-11 blend. The label states - "Add 15ml of Potash + per 10 liters of made up nutrient solution during the flowering cycle. For users with a nutrient meter add Potash + to 200 ppm. Check and adjust pH as required for your system."

The analysis is -

Nitrogen as NH4 .10
Nitrogen as NO3 .90
Potassium 11
Sulphur .05
Phosphorus 4.5
Zinc .004
Manganese .004
Boron .005
Copper .005
Carbon .004




Oh, and GP. The pic is actually from this. Just thought it fit well.

 

[Guest]

We need some color, don't you think?

We need some color, don't you think?

Are those pancakes on that bunny's head? lol

You queer. Freak. lol

Anyhow...like I said...what is wrong with wanting to have perfection in your life?












Waiting clones..lol, Need to get rid of the purple stems and I'll be happy myself. Another day will say.

 

[Guest]

Hey JAT - I'm back to my old self, was adding some RO to my system, filling a jug, and forgot about it for about 20 minutes...little flood for good luck. lol

Ok, on the PBP you asked about...

Well...Pure Blend Pro Bloom (2.5-2-5) which is really excellent, the Power Flower is a 2-2-5 (same mix just lower N obviously) so you really only need to max up your K by 3 to a 2-2-8 mix. You'd be right on. The Dutch masters will put you at 3.5-7-16.

Now depending on what is important here that could work. This is all based off the BioControl 'herb' mix so we could use more P possibly. I think the important issue is that the K needs to be at a ratio of 4:1 with the N. I'm not sure how the P would affect the absorbtion of the K, but it would appear from all I understand that the N is the deciding factor in this balance.

You might want to go with that initial mix and see how it pans out, you can always add more K in the form of Ph Up. But I would suggest using a Nitrogen based Down rather than Phosphoric acid...unless it doesn't matter.

Remember, they didn't formulate it for pot, so...we are just sort of winging it to an extent. But I have to say fixing the K def in my mix...even at 1200 ppms today they looked better than they have so far and they are really starting to grow now.

I just think I was a little P def too. But we'll see in 24 hours. :wink:

By the way those RhinoxBlues...Awesome cross baby. They grow like serious weeds. Very healthy genetics on that one. My blueberries are like frozen... not moving nearly as fast, nor the Hog.

Right now the Rhinoxblue and NLxHaze are my mad cloners and growers. Looks like I've got an aggressive Cinnamon on the way too...

The only real aggressive bubble I'm convinced is a boy...but I did sprout them with fruit ripening in the bag...so maybe they'll be feminized.

The other two are like all girls...taking their own sweet time to get ready.

If you want a pure K you could try this:

Earth Juice
Meta K (0-0-10)

 

[JustATry]

Alright, I will play with the Potash in a bit. I just set off two Pyrethrum TR foggers in the room. I sent out some clones to someone and they saw little green larvae. Well, upon closer examination it turned out to be thrip larvae. So this will kill all the thrips and all my ladybugs

 

[Guest]

Hey, better safer than sorry my friend...when all else fails...nuke the bastards! I should run of those for good measure myself. Thanks for reminding me.