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STRONGEST SATIVA

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Alfalfa Medivago Sativa


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potant enough to kill a horse
 
Rosy Cheeks

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zamalito said:
I strongly disagree that tobacco was strictly new world in precolombian times. I refer you to the work of Dr. Balabanova and the tombs of Ramses and henet taui as well as some 40+ other sudanese mummies from the egyption empire that have tested positive for both tobacco and coca in their hair samples. With king ramses the tobacco was probably used as an antimicrobial preservation agent. Pieces of tobacco were actually found in his bandages. This all suggests an extinct african tobacco species. Tobacco is a very important sacramental plant in world history. I believe this plant is now extinct. They've also found eastern european corpses which had probably used tobacco in precolombian times. We really tend to underestimate the value of plants of all types before modern culture. They didn't have chemical labs. They had plants. Even something as seemingly ineffectual as culinary seasonings were extremely valuable and prompted many very long and dangerous expeditions. Entheogenic plants (of which the americas were filled with) were even more valuable. Nothing suprises me as far as the spred of plants at any period of human history. Hashish and opium were also present in the egyptian empire so this places tobacco hashish and opium within close proximity to europe asia and africa 1000 years before christ.
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I'm not a botanist so I cannot argue with you on the presence of Tobacco plants or not in the old world, prior to the introduction of this plant from the American continent.
Although, as an archeologist and a scientist, I'll have to question your conclusions.
The fact that several ancient Egyptian mummies contain traces of nicotine does not make it credible that Tobacco grew on the African or the EuroAsian continent prior to 1492, if no proof or indications of this are to be found elsewhere.

As far as I've understood it, no Tobacco plant existed on these continents, since botanical archeology has not been able to find any whatsoever traces of them. There is of course a small chance, but that chance is very small.

Nicotine - which is the actual substance detected in the hair of the mummies -is an alcaloid present in certain solanaceous plants, such as the potato plant, tomato plant and the eggplant, although in very small amounts.

In the mid 1970's, a plant containing nicotine was discovered in Namibia, the Nicotiana Africanum. But levels of nicotine in this plant is simply not high enough in order to still be detectable in a 3000 year old mummy (concider the fact that certain mummies contained nicotine levels that surpassed lethal doses).
The Nicotiana Africanum is not smoked nor eaten, nor does it serve any other useful purpose to man, which makes it close to impossible that this plant is responsible for the nicotine contamination of Egyptian mummies.

Archeological botany teaches us that plants useful to man does not generally go extinct. They transform through cultivation and selective breeding to become even more useful, so while man is good at exterminating species, he's equally good at propagating those that are beneficial to him.

And a second problem remains; where did the cocaine come from? Once you embark on speculations that Tobacco once grew on the EuroAsian/African continent, you will have to include the Coca plant in these speculations.

There is - at present - no satisfactory explanation to the mysterious presence of nicotine and cocaine in ancient Egyptian mummies, which makes the distinct possibility of pre-columbian contact and trade between the old and the new world just as plausible as the lost Tobacco plant theory.
 
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I don't know why you're saying this rosy. I never said that an extinct african tobacco species was more plausible than the possibility of intercontinental trade. I even mentioned intercontinental trade as a possibility. And I'm sorry but as far as I can tell most of the plant species domesticated by man are food plants. Less frequently are medicinals or even sacremental plants bred. There are definitely domesticated medicinals and sacramental plants but in comparison to the amount of food plants that have been domesticated it is small. At the same time if you compare the percentage of medicinal plants that are wild to the amount of medicinal plants that have been domesticated versus the percentage of wild food plants to domesticated you'll see that medicinal plants are much much more likely to go extinct. There's a whole division of the pharmaceutical industry devoted to finding ultra rare medicinal plants. Yes, frequently stone age civilizations transplant medicinals to a locatione near their home but as you know this doesn't preserve anything. Its merely moving a plant from one location to another.
 
ngakpa

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Hey -

sounds like great stuff Kmarpa

and good old diplomats ... whatever happened to all that Moroccan they used to bring in to the UK in their Steinways etc.?

yeh, talking of resinous tobacco plants - some Nicotiana rustica I grew this year were fiendish
 
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this thread has ended up with several topics several of which im waiting for a responce on..

please dont inhibit that.. much learning is happening here, there is nothing wrong with the thread.

thanks everyone

besides i already mentioned my opinion of the strongest sativa its nearly killed a few of my horses
 
Sam_Skunkman

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Why is a SATIVA stronger then an Afghani or Indica or Kush of the same THC%?
I guess what I am saying is what is strong? Mental, physical? Both?
To me for a SATIVA it is mental, not physical like with Indicas.
So are there SATIVA'S that have no ceiling? No matter when you smoke, or how much you have smoked, will you get higher? Yes, but not a lot.
To me the best was Original Haze. Everytime I smoked the best Original Haze I would get a rush, flashing stars, and my blood sugar would lower, my blood presure would seem lower, and I would feel a bit sweaty. And I mean every time, even after smoking it for days, weeks, months.
I had a friend that used to smoke bongs of OHaze with me and he would smoke a bong and just fall over, passed out. Wish I still had that clone...
-SamS
 
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What's the OH x SK1 made with them. Mine are a bit old and I hope they germ.

Happy New Year!
 
darthvapor

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sam could you please share which sativas have no ceiling. I recently stopped smoking for a while to lower my tolerance so that Im able to get high again. Not even bho or bubble works for me anymore and I miss getting high. Thanks
 
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I wanna add that the strongest sativas Ive recently tried are willie nelson and love potion from reeferman at the cup
 
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darthvapor said:
sam could you please share which sativas have no ceiling. I recently stopped smoking for a while to lower my tolerance so that Im able to get high again. Not even bho or bubble works for me anymore and I miss getting high. Thanks
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sam... i'd be interested tooo... i've been smoking for 35years, traveled some, have smoked some nice weed.. BUT.. i've never/ever had weed that kicked the shit out of me.. one hit herb/unable to function... never ever seen it..
 
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Of course, I'm not sam and he's definitely more knowledgeable than I but IMO there's a difference between one hit herb and herb with no ceiling. Herb with no ceiling or no tolerance may be deemed weak by those used to 1-2 hit herb. Pacific mexicans are a great example. If you take one hit of an oaxacan and one hit of a blockhead ir sour diesel the oaxacan will seem impotent by comparison. However if you smoke a joint of the oaxacan it may equal 3-4 joints of blockhead and definitely be more enjoyable than the blockhead. You're also less likely to develop immunity. Pacific mexicans (oaxacans, acapulco's/guererans, michoacans)are normally what I recommend to those seeking a high ceiling but many colombians, thais, bolivians, brazilians can be great also.
 
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zamalito said:
Of course, I'm not sam and he's definitely more knowledgeable than I but IMO there's a difference between one hit herb and herb with no ceiling. Herb with no ceiling or no tolerance may be deemed weak by those used to 1-2 hit herb. Pacific mexicans are a great example. If you take one hit of an oaxacan and one hit of a blockhead ir sour diesel the oaxacan will seem impotent by comparison. However if you smoke a joint of the oaxacan it may equal 3-4 joints of blockhead and definitely be more enjoyable than the blockhead. You're also less likely to develop immunity. Pacific mexicans (oaxacans, acapulco's/guererans, michoacans)are normally what I recommend to those seeking a high ceiling but many colombians, thais, bolivians, brazilians can be great also.
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my point was i have never/ever had one hit herb, where i was fuck'd after one hit.... buzzing after one hit... yess (with a bong)... stoned, never...
also never/ever had herb with no ceiling where u get stoner and stoner... at least for me if i take 5/6 hits and i'm stoned... and i take another couple/few hits say an hour later, i'll get re-buzzed, but it ain't takin me higher...

again i have never had any pot/hash where i could not function.. meaning carry on a conversation/drive/etc

i'm still out there looking for this killa weed, but have not found it yet...
 
zamalito

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I know what you're talking about. I rolled two joints of sour diesel eaach for a few friends and myself for midnight on new years. We probably smoked an eighth each. I was totally functional and felt as if I took 4-5 hits from a bowl. I did sleep quite well that night though. I don't know about one hit herb where you won't be able to talk properly. It kind of depends on your tolerance and the smoking method but I've never experienced that myself either. What I'm saying is that the herb that is ceilingless is very rarely the herb that is the most potent. Personally I've never hit a ceiling on a good oaxacan or acapulco. The other nice thing about some colombians and some pacific mexicans is that the buzz is so pleasant that its nice to take it up really high. Whereas something like a durban can get quite uncomfortable before you approach the ceiling so its not worth it to try and find the ceiling if it is one. Some pure sativas do have low ceilings. I've grown destroyer seeds that had a terribly low ceiling. In the search for ceilingless herb my advice is to try landrace genetics. Especially when grown outdoors or in a greenhouse. Try "The Haze" from hothouse flowers or Zamal from the gypsy nirvana collection malawi from afropips. Also bsc will have more than a few strains with high or unlimited ceilings when they become available.
 
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