Strain Hunters - Greenhouse Seeds Co.

[Guest 150314]

hey they don't have AC, didn't you hear franco bitching about the "old 4x4s" they had to drive?

god damn what a tough life .. they looked nice to me, what do they normally bomb around in while filming strain hunters? Hummers?

on a positive note I like the old italian guy .. "smoke 5 or 6 joints, atleast"

 

[bushweed]

In my opinion SK has done more to help the cannabis community than any other single strain.

...there ain't half been some clever bastards

 

[DocLeaf]

The Strain Hunter India video is cool

 

[Shaman101]

yea great vid, but here's the funniest part!!!

YouTube - Green House Seed Co. 100% feminised FULL OF SEEDS!!! listen @ 1:41

 

[Strainhunter]

yea great vid, but here's the funniest part!!!

YouTube - Green House Seed Co. 100% feminised FULL OF SEEDS!!! listen @ 1:41

That's HYSTERICAL!

 

[fiu_piu]

Pace soon on the ground instead of the natural samples will only Dutch feminized\hermaphrodites hybrids

 

[elmanito]

I never have seen strains from Greenhouse grown like this pure Parvati strain

This female was very good without any seeds

Namaste

 

[Stone Locust]

To say that I'm angry at these guys would be an understatement. The sheer arrogance of what they are doing is dazzling me.
People who love cannabis should be educated about genetics and their harmfull practices so that they wouldn't buy seeds from this company ever again.

 

[highonmt]

What a bunch of dildos, makes you wonder how much harm three rich wankers can really do. Arjans speach about giving villagers his feminized genetics(please don't they have enough problems already) and his rant about the thousands of crosses in his fridge is scary and so miss informed it begs the question of what these quys really know about cannabis genetics? Three Clueless, Arrogant, whiny rich bastards roaming the globe to ruin pristine genetic pools and bring the cannabis grower thousands of random land race crosses?... Affter wasting a half hour watching this crap I will never spend a dime on anything this company produces.
HM

 

[Rinse]

There so friggin full of themselves...
Has greenhouse yet released to us a pure Malawi line?? Indian??

So strain "hunters" is a literal term!


Ive grown a few of their fem seeds and they were mostly mutants...Crinkle leaf, v slow growth etc...

Ive been to their coffeeshop in 'dam, paid 16e for 1g of charas which was not as good as the charas I bought in abraxas for HALF the price...

Now Im sure they have some good strains but their attitude stinks...

 

[Chomba64]

They are not a company I would do business with. Giving villagers feminized seed. What do you think that will do to the gene pool??? They are not interested in preserving a strain. Some have sure taken a different path.. This path is called greed...Peace all...

 

[bbing]

I gotta say that i'd probably most identified w/ the preservationist camp; after reading this debate i am questioning wether i have the right to project my preferences and needs on another culture & germplasm...no matter which position...

On the other hand, its uncomfortable as hell to watch the combo to another safe get lost.

I really see merit to both positions...you both have nade them well...I don't think any additional examples would make it any clearer or would compell anyone else to one side of the fence, my question to both of is : .....l

...,I forgort the question

--> Can there be examples where both things are happening (both regional IBL's and hybridization programs)?
Can they both occur without diminishing existing genes. Seems like in my head its chicken or the egg...ito ethics and ethno botany...


damn pesky humans.

.
peace

 

[ngakpa]

I gotta say that i'd probably most identified w/ the preservationist camp; after reading this debate i a questioning wether i have the right to project my preferences and needs on another culture & germplasm...

well, Baba Ku has basically been arguing that by opposing introducing Western dope breeds into these landrace genepools, we are arrogantly imposing our will on the growers in these regions

"projecting our preferences" as you seem to put it

but who is really "projecting their preferences" here?

there is nothing more arrogant than at one stroke destroying the purity of the existing genepool...

what more of an imposition could be made?

that is a permanent and unalterable change...

it is no mere statement of opinion - it is an action with unalterable consequences

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anyway, look , I am no hardliner on this --- I would see no problem with somebody having a couple of Western breeds in their garden in these places... any pollen blowing around is not going to go far

the thing I take issue with is exactly what Arjan does in these videos...

and that is dishing out loads of seeds to commercial growers - that kind of large scale use of Western breeds really will have a major impact...

within a couple of generations once hybrids start indiscriminately crossing with hybrids, all the dope will be bunk, and any hope of breeding out the old strains from the shit that you are left with will be pipe dreams...

so, who is arrogantly imposing their preferences?

 

[Baba Ku]

It has been awhile since I posted in this thread, but my main point is this...
I have no idea what crop the natives were growing, do you? Perhaps their crop is a indigenous line, and perhaps it is not very productive...or at least the plant does not produce like other lines will. And suppose these native peoples have a consultant in to help them increase their yields, and produce a finer quality product?
Is it a bad thing to help these farmers with their horticultural needs? Even if it bursts the bubble of those who think all things should be left alone and as is?
Nature sure didn't intend things to be that way, and most especially cannabis.
If it were intended to stay the same no matter what, it would not have the magic it has and the ability to do what it does.

Now what is more important, the preconceived notions of a preservationist...even when the preservationist stands absolutely nothing to gain one way or the other...save for maybe their ego? Or the well being of the natives and their families?

I tend to opt to the side of the farmer and his family.

I am not defending the actions of AJ and his band of ass kissers. They have few clues as to what could help this farmer, they are only looking to help themselves.
Same with the firm stance preservationist...just how is his stance helping anyone? Has he done a good thing by helping keep a scrawny low yielding plant in the farmers field?
I dunno...is this a bit of arrogance? You tell me...

And let me throw one more issue out there..
Suppose the consultant does not introduce now genes into the lot? Suppose what he does is provide the farmer with a different method of farming...say like how to increase yields by cultivating sensimilla instead of his normal method of a full open pollination crop?
Do you think the line will stay the same as it is, or perhaps it would start seeing drifts just due to method used?
Oh, and just what line of cannabis has not been messed with and these so called "western genes" not been introduced? Are these western genes indigenous to the west?
Just where did they come from? Just where did a line like, let's say....Colombian gold bud? You think maybe it was indigenous to Colombia? Or perhaps it was introduced from other lands?
I am curious just what line has never been touched and is pristine as it has been?

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Even if the farmers like the Greenhouse seeds handed out by Arjan, does anyone really think they will ever buy and pay for them when they can make their own seeds for pennies?
I have always opposed taking improved Western hybrids to local centers of Cannabis production, but it does happen, Mexico and Jamaica are the two worst examples that I can think of, in Jamaica it is now hard to find pure Lambs bread seeds, easy to find hybrids. And Mexican used to be all Sativa and every area different, not any more.
The important thing to remember is locals produce tons of seeds in most Cannabis producing areas, the effects although not good in my opinion, will be minimal unless the locals really seek out and use the new hybrids from local farmers who first use them.
Morocco is a good example of not much effect on the local genetics, thousands of western bred hybrids have been imported and grown in Morocco yet the gene pool is hardly changed at all. This is because the Moroccan plants grown for hash are all seeded, while imported geneticts are much more likely to be grown sinsemilla, because the people importing the Western genetics, very likely asked the farmers to try and produce sinsemilla.
If no males then input from imported genetics is minimized, as only the imported females will be likely seeded from local pollen and hybridized.
But as the crop of local seeds is tons and tons and tons, I don't think any imported have much effect, and every generation grown they are less and less import and more and more Moroccan.
In Jamaica they wanted fast maturing Indica hybrids because they wanted to get the crop out of the ground as fast as they could, less exposure to rips or busts.
But now a lot of Jamaican buds are just all the same tasting Sativa/Indica hybrids, and not really what I like at all. The traditional areas growing sinsemilla will be harmed more then the areas that grow a lot of seeded Cannabis.
It will just get worse, that is for sure...
-SamS

 

[ngakpa]

Honestly Baba Ku, your posts teeter on the edges of coherence

it's like arguing with an addled, stoned NeoCon

why not just take the time to familiarise yourself with the science of orthodox ecology?

the way you are arguing is fundamentally dishonest - you proceed by predicating untruths on the basis of which you pose distorting questions

I have neither the time nor the inclination to go through unpicking all of the presuppositions and inaccuracies underpinning your supposed "questions"...

far from being questions, their main function is to distort the discussion... it's the sort of rhetoric Libby and Rumsfeld would be proud of

so I repeat: why not just take the time to familiarise yourself with the science of orthodox ecology?

fortunately the post from Sam Skunkman has brought things back down to facts

so let's cut through the crap and look at the practical outcomes

your rhetorical stance, when acted upon, will lead to the world being full of the bland, homogenised hybrid crap that now comes out of Jamaica and Mexico

when you've accepted that, perhaps we can have an informed discussion on the history of cannabis in the Americas...

 

[ngakpa]

Even if the farmers like the Greenhouse seeds handed out by Arjan, does anyone really think they will ever buy and pay for them when they can make their own seeds for pennies?

sure, thankfully there is no way they will ever be buying seeds from Arjan, even if they did like the plants

but it looks to me like there are still a variety of ways the damage can be done, depending on how the local cannabis economy works

the simplest would be that --- as is said to have happened when indica seeds first arrived in the US and hit the existing sativa breeds --- growers fall in love with the F1 hybrids of their own breeds and the newly introduced seed

then they start indiscriminately crossing hybrids with hybrids and everything goes to shit within a generation or two

alternatively, if you have a cannabis economy like Mexico or Jamaica where it is often the case that organised networks supply farmers with seed, there are other ways everything can get fucked

if the "mafia" middle men think it is in their interests, they can produce more of the "western" seed --- they may believe they can get a better price for the "western" type of bud...

both of those options seem to have happened in Mexico and Jamaica --- but from what I've seen mostly just seed of indiscriminate crosses seem to be getting used

and contrary to what Baba Ku is dribbling, in general these new hybrids yield lower and have less vigour than the old breeds --- but they finished faster, and presumably get a better much price per weight in the market they are destined for... otherwise why bother?

in Kerala, the so-called "Ganja Mafia" supply "tribals" (the name used for indigenous ethnic groups) with commercial seeds --- very high yielding breeds... the difference here is that these seeds have been produced and developed from local cannabis breeds within Kerala

the practice of a household growing a few plants, or a few fields, has completely vanished from Kerala...

so now growing is almost exclusively a top-down process, with organised networks supplying seed of their choice and providing protection...

and over a few years, the cannabis genepool is reduced to homogenised crap


so the actions of Arjan and his tarts are are only one tiny factor -

prohibition is the root cause of most of the problems...

and then when legalisation comes along, that will present further challenges of its own

 

[ClearBarbedFunk]

^^^ nice post bro, peace

 

[Baba Ku]

Honestly Baba Ku, your posts teeter on the edges of coherence

it's like arguing with an addled, stoned NeoCon

why not just take the time to familiarise yourself with the science of orthodox ecology?

the way you are arguing is fundamentally dishonest - you proceed by predicating untruths on the basis of which you pose distorting questions

I have neither the time nor the inclination to go through unpicking all of the presuppositions and inaccuracies underpinning your supposed "questions"...

far from being questions, their main function is to distort the discussion... it's the sort of rhetoric Libby and Rumsfeld would be proud of

so I repeat: why not just take the time to familiarise yourself with the science of orthodox ecology?

fortunately the post from Sam Skunkman has brought things back down to facts

so let's cut through the crap and look at the practical outcomes

your rhetorical stance, when acted upon, will lead to the world being full of the bland, homogenised hybrid crap that now comes out of Jamaica and Mexico

when you've accepted that, perhaps we can have an informed discussion on the history of cannabis in the Americas...

I think maybe your problem stems from your ideological beliefs.
I mean, why would you interject politics into the discussion?
I know why...but I will leave that to you real smart people.

Best thing for you to do is change your tone with me.
Your trying to degrade me and my thoughts, in a lame attempt to make you own sound superior, is the sort of thing a less-than-learned person would employ.

Here is the bottom line...I have based my thoughts and feelings on this issue using real world scenarios and reality.
You, on the other hand hinge you stance on voodoo logic.
The very same voodoo logic that brings fear about fem seeds and other mythological catalysts.

Apparently my what-if's aren't good enough for you, and you need to depend on your own what-if's. For one, what if the crop the indigenous farmer has sucks? Low yield, poor taste, crappy bud, low resin. Is it your decision that his native crop be left in it's pristine state? For what? -your voodoo logic that states things need to stay the same?

And for your information, as skilled as you probably think you are, I can tell you there is no way you can keep an indigenous crop the same. Cannabis doesn't care about your lame (as well as selfish) thoughts of preservation, it has other ideas and will handle things in it's own way. Unless of course you want to collect seeds, but then I suggest you are not preserving a strain, but only keeping a moment in time around.

You want a conversation, get off your nasty name calling horse.
She is foundered and needs rest.

 

[elmanito]

What i've read about the history of Cannabis there was always a trade of cannabis seeds to other parts of the world with no history of existing lines like what American pharmaceutical companies did in the 1930s to Colombia, Mexico for the development of medicinal strains untill the prohibition of 1937.What they brought were pure landrace lines from Kalimantan (English part) to South-America.Contract workers from India brought seeds to South-Africa & Jamaica, but those seeds were also landrace lines.

After the prohibition of 1937 in the US those lines did not disappear but kept alive.What is happening right now that western indoor varieties are brought to areas in the world (Jamaica, Mexico, South-africa etc) which already had existing lines acclimated to the environment and bred in big fields instead of 1:1 like in many in the west are doing.For biodiversity of the Cannabis gene pool is this the worst scenario.

Namaste