STOP USING JAMAICAN BAT GUANO

[blwd67]

lol

The point was dont use bat and seabird guano because it hurts mother nature )over generalization, but that was the idea in the opening), if it is bad for you all the more reason. To say 'dont use any manures' is a fairly obtuse statement; take into account availability vs negative risk involved for some people and it is a safe bet they have and will continue to use it. Information is key... Provide the information but leave it at that; if you can prove its danger and provide a viable alternative then maybe some people will heed you. No one is going to listen if you get defensive and start implying a general lack of intelligence in the manure using crowd.

 

[SecretGardener]

So what about Soma (soma seeds), he swears by guano. Yeah I know someone will say if Soma jumps off a bridge would you? If there is some good cannabis down there, sure!

 

[VerdantGreen]

Point me in the right direction if I have missed the evidence.


What post?

well if the thread isnt enough for you then read this

http://www.jamaicancaves.org/jamaican_bat_guano.htm

 

[Green lung]

well if the thread isnt enough for you then read this

http://www.jamaicancaves.org/jamaican_bat_guano.htm

Well this is the first Info ANYONE has posted on this thread why bat guano collecting hurts the cave enviorment.


good job.

 

[guest2012y]

As you can see here,these horrible bats are are not just forcing humans to commit ecological tragedies.....but they can also get into a young lads hair and cause emotional damage for a lifetime. Just say no to bats!

 

[headband 707]

So what about Soma (soma seeds), he swears by guano. Yeah I know someone will say if Soma jumps off a bridge would you? If there is some good cannabis down there, sure!

Guano works great all feces works great in a grow lol that is why growers have a hard time giving it up .. Nonetheless it's doesn't negate from the facts that to guano is dangerous and has pathogens not fit for humams.Doesn't matter if the greenhouse nextdoor does it ,he could still be WRONG lol all that matters is you find your own path and your own way through EDUCATION peace out Headband707

 

[SecretGardener]

Guano works great all feces works great in a grow lol that is why growers have a hard time giving it up .. Nonetheless it's doesn't negate from the facts that to guano is dangerous and has pathogens not fit for humams.Doesn't matter if the greenhouse nextdoor does it ,he could still be WRONG lol all that matters is you find your own path and your own way through EDUCATION peace out Headband707

Duly noted! I am new to organic growing and have been using bone/blood/kelp meals . . . I have 3 small bags of indo/jamaican/peruvian seabird guano's, what do I do with them?

 

[jaykush]

what do I do with them?

use them lol, dont let all the talk scare you out of using guano, specially guano you already have.

 

[toohighmf]

Duly noted! I am new to organic growing and have been using bone/blood/kelp meals . . . I have 3 small bags of indo/jamaican/peruvian seabird guano's, what do I do with them?

open each bag and breathe the shit deep into your lungs everyday...

sorry couldn't help it.

 

[DARC MIND]

Well this is the first Info ANYONE has posted on this thread why bat guano collecting hurts the cave enviorment.


good job.

1st page post#12
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=3657261&postcount=12
about seabirds and peru but valid info, no doubt

thanks for the info headband but many biodyamic methods disagree with ur bold statement on manure.
good advice is better achieved through education and understanding then with blanket recommendations.

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[toohighmf]

1st page post#12
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=3657261&postcount=12
about seabirds and peru but valid info, no doubt

thanks for the info headband but many biodyamic methods disagree with ur bold statement on manure.
good advice is better achieved through education and understanding then with blanket recommendations.

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agree to disagree. plants can be grown without poo, however they cannot grow without inorganic compounds. For every proponent of organics, there is an equal amount of antagonists. There is no right or wrong answer. some like dirt and shit. some like elemental salts and substrates.. both will argue their point until they are blue in the face. I will agree that organics is safer on the environment, but has serious health risks when being used to grow smokeables...

 

[VerdantGreen]

..... I will agree that organics is safer on the environment, but has serious health risks when being used to grow smokeables...

could you list some of these 'serious health risks' please - apart from the breathing dust thing already discussed.

VG

 

[toohighmf]

Verdant, I like you and I know you know what your talking about. however you are not going to like what I have to say. Most organics, and organic soil has heavy metals like lead, arsenic, cadmium, nickel, URANIUM, Chromium etc.. Then there's
Toxic persistent organic pollutants ("POPs"), such as Dioxins, polychlorinated dibenzo-p-dioxins (PCDDs), and polychlorinated dibenzofurans (PCDFs) have been detected in agricultural fertilizers and soil amendments.

I can go on and on.. I don't want to. I simply cannot advocate organic growing. even compost teas have these metals and pollutants. soil is full of it. the worse part is, these are the hardest components to flush out of soil.
And that be why I'm a hydro h3ad!

 

[Microbeman]

Verdant, I like you and I know you know what your talking about. however you are not going to like what I have to say. Most organics, and organic soil has heavy metals like lead, arsenic, cadmium, nickel, URANIUM, Chromium etc.. Then there's
Toxic persistent organic pollutants ("POPs"), such as Dioxins, polychlorinated dibenzo-p-dioxins (PCDDs), and polychlorinated dibenzofurans (PCDFs) have been detected in agricultural fertilizers and soil amendments.

I can go on and on.. I don't want to. I simply cannot advocate organic growing. even compost teas have these metals and pollutants. soil is full of it. the worse part is, these are the hardest components to flush out of soil.
And that be why I'm a hydro h3ad!

That has got to be one of the most ridiculous statements I've read in a while. All this time before humans walked the earth, plants and animals have thus been suffering. Please provide legitimate citations showing how plants naturally uptake these dangerous compounds.

 

[headband 707]

Verdant, I like you and I know you know what your talking about. however you are not going to like what I have to say. Most organics, and organic soil has heavy metals like lead, arsenic, cadmium, nickel, URANIUM, Chromium etc.. Then there's
Toxic persistent organic pollutants ("POPs"), such as Dioxins, polychlorinated dibenzo-p-dioxins (PCDDs), and polychlorinated dibenzofurans (PCDFs) have been detected in agricultural fertilizers and soil amendments.

I can go on and on.. I don't want to. I simply cannot advocate organic growing. even compost teas have these metals and pollutants. soil is full of it. the worse part is, these are the hardest components to flush out of soil.
And that be why I'm a hydro h3ad!

Toohigh is right one of the most powerful pestisdes out there comes from the Crysthanamum (Mum plant) used to kill bedbug roaches etc. Although most ppl think that this is a harmless thing to spray the fact is that you must leave the hour for 24 hours after a spray as it's TOXIC. Plants are just as toxic as anything else. This is where we get our poisions atleast some of our poisions.This shit should be left to the pro's . I would stay away from all poisions if I were you... But that is just me... Peace out Headband707

 

[Microbeman]

however they cannot grow without inorganic compounds.

Please teach me.

 

[Microbeman]

Toohigh is right one of the most powerful pestisdes out there comes from the Crysthanamum (Mum plant) used to kill bedbug roaches etc. Although most ppl think that this is a harmless thing to spray the fact is that you must leave the hour for 24 hours after a spray as it's TOXIC. Plants are just as toxic as anything else. This is where we get our poisions atleast some of our poisions.This shit should be left to the pro's . I would stay away from all poisions if I were you... But that is just me... Peace out Headband707

Just because poisons are made from organics by humans makes toohi correct???? Hello!

 

[headband 707]

Just because poisons are made from organics by humans makes toohi correct???? Hello!

No bro Toohigh is correct LOL LOL
There are very few places left in the world that we have not fucked with in one way or another through pollution. If you were to look at a map of the farming soil in the world it would SHOCK you. The fact that we keep pumping toxic shit into this world is a true waste of the human race peace out Headband707

 

[VerdantGreen]

Verdant, I like you and I know you know what your talking about. however you are not going to like what I have to say. Most organics, and organic soil has heavy metals like lead, arsenic, cadmium, nickel, URANIUM, Chromium etc.. Then there's
Toxic persistent organic pollutants ("POPs"), such as Dioxins, polychlorinated dibenzo-p-dioxins (PCDDs), and polychlorinated dibenzofurans (PCDFs) have been detected in agricultural fertilizers and soil amendments.

I can go on and on.. I don't want to. I simply cannot advocate organic growing. even compost teas have these metals and pollutants. soil is full of it. the worse part is, these are the hardest components to flush out of soil.
And that be why I'm a hydro h3ad!

toohigh, thanks for the kind words - hopefully you will still like me after this post

you are basically getting confused between organic chemistry and organic gardening - which are two almost completely separate things. Organic chemistry is simply a branch of chemistry that deals with carbon and it's compounds, whearas organic gardening means (made simple) that nutrients need to be processed by soil biology before they are available to the plant. to someone who knows about organic horticulture, its a glaring mistake of similar magnitude to someone thinking that your username refers to gaining too much altitude in an aeroplane

the POP's and 'Organic Pollutants' that you speak of are called that because they are organic chemicals, but they are mostly derived from Chemical Pesticides such as DDT which would NEVER have been used if everyone farmed organically - so to try and pin them on to Organic Horticulture is at best misleading and at worst devisive. PCDFs are again organic chemicals which are pollutants but have nothing to do with organic gardening over any other type of gardening.

sure soil can be polluted - but so can water, air and you can pollute your grow by many means, that's nothing to do with organic gardening in particular.

moving onto your signature

"It is worth noting:
N is not organic
P is not organic
K is not organic
Mg is not organic
Ca is not organic.
Without those inorganic minerals plants could not live.
Plants can thrive without any organic compounds."
-GRAT3FULH3AD

- it is again nonsense - a confusion of organic chemistry and not even accurate. they are elements that you list and not all of them could accurately be called minerals, and saying that they are not organic is hugely misleading because it is a statement about organic chemistry and not gardening. i told h3ad about it when he posted it but he sidestepped the point as i remember. moreover, saying that plants can thrive without any organic compounds is ludicrous because organic compounds (as described by organic chemistry) are carbon compounds and carbon is the building block of plants and life in general.
your mentor tag implies you know what you are talking about and im sure you do when it comes to hydro and your areas of expertise, but please edit your signature as it is misinformation when presented in a gardening forum.

cheers and i hope you take no offense - non was intended

VG

 

[Dr_Tre]

I will agree that organics is safer on the environment, but has serious health risks when being used to grow smokeables...

Really?Now that's about to get interesting!