GrandpaMillenial
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What flavours/smells do you get from that maple leaf? I heard they can sometimes have coffee and carmel.
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sterile females are the future!
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What flavours/smells do you get from that maple leaf? I heard they can sometimes have coffee and carmel.
GrandpaMillenial
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I think this would be a great option for many growers. Are the plants a genetic dead end? yes.
basically a seed seller would have to maintain a diploid and tetraploid pair to produce this triploid seed.
So ideally you’d want triploid female seeds. As long as these are not also autoflowers then a clone mother could be maintained and the grower would have sterile feminized seed.
This would be good for the grower who just wants to produce buds. The grower who now wants to maintain his own seed stock should look elsewhere.
Initially it does sound like a monsanto wet dream but i can buy seedless watermelon seed and i can buy regular watermelon seed.
The florists like the sterile sunflowers very much. With those, the flower is 'all petals' and no seeds, and they are great for arrangements. I can see the applications for sterile Cannabis.
And we've gotten the best seedless watermelons, this year. Definitely improved over the years.
And we've gotten the best seedless watermelons, this year. Definitely improved over the years.
xet
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I see exactly what you mean and personally the idea makes me sick to my stomach.
How is this not a shortcut for our presently imperfect quality and control breeding standards?
Rather than deplanting the plant: synthesize the oils en masse in a controlled lab.
funny thing is these are all methods pulled directly from real science breeder think of it as a further step of selection.we are forcing the plant to ignore an abstain from the only thing it cares about doing. this seedless modification is the largest stress on the gene pool.
the freaks and ugliest are always the best bud...talk about landrace diversity, its actually sensimilla process thats needs to be improved.
only stable non herm parent plants are used in a landrace repo at least 40 percent of favorable alleles are discarded off top. the male side especially because all the unstable/monocious males will be the oldest alleles. monocious is how they all dioceious plants started. all those Y chromosomes in the mix. all males can be evaluted as possible sires leading to maximum line breedingl male and female profiles within types are not all the same. especially true with se asian males or any plant that makes rare cannabinoids. the only sure way to keep the diveristy is to use as much of the germplasm as possible
xet
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It could be that I am tired but this is what I hear:
We want mutant hens who no longer produce eggs.
We keep the pool of egg layers and a separate room of mutants.
A definite clash of philosophy can arise at this point.
Let us presume for now this is not the case.
Although it is really difficult to not address the pink elephant in the room: "Why intentionally pursue sterile mutants whose allure could become such an addiction that we turn our back on our egg-layers for a moment and the entire species could end along with our love for this plant as we know it?"
So if the object then is to get the meat because we don't want eggs then why not synthesize the meat instead of jeopardizing the flock?
Or is there sufficient confidence to not worry about jeopardizing the flock?
Or are mutations, primarily the cause of viroids, really that much superior to the mysterious perfections we find in non-mutants?
In the grand scheme of parametric variation how much room is there for mutation really?
Cerathule
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"Triploidy in plants
In some plant groups, triploidy is not uncommon, triploid plants can arise, for example, when a pollen from a tetraploid plant reaches the flower of a diploid plant (or vice versa). The germ cells of the diploid plant (2n) are haploid
, those of the tetraploid plant (4n) are diploid (2n). So a triploid (3n) descendant is created. Triploid chromosome sets often lead to irregularities during meiosis. Many triploid plants are therefore unable to form seeds themselves. Examples are cultivated varieties of pineapple, the dessert banana, saffron and the seedless grapes, but also potatoes and watermelon and apple (Boskop)."
de.wikipedia.org
In some plant groups, triploidy is not uncommon, triploid plants can arise, for example, when a pollen from a tetraploid plant reaches the flower of a diploid plant (or vice versa). The germ cells of the diploid plant (2n) are haploid
, those of the tetraploid plant (4n) are diploid (2n). So a triploid (3n) descendant is created. Triploid chromosome sets often lead to irregularities during meiosis. Many triploid plants are therefore unable to form seeds themselves. Examples are cultivated varieties of pineapple, the dessert banana, saffron and the seedless grapes, but also potatoes and watermelon and apple (Boskop)."Triploidie – Wikipedia
revegeta666
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Mostly hashy, spicy and fresh, with a touch of sour fruit like green apples. No caramel in my opinion but that would make sense because sweet seeds have a strain that is called Cream Caramel which is basically just a reversed maple leaf clone.
funkyhorse
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Sometimes it is difficult to agree with science ethics and quality of science products, at least for marihuana"Triploidy in plants
In some plant groups, triploidy is not uncommon, triploid plants can arise, for example, when a pollen from a tetraploid plant reaches the flower of a diploid plant (or vice versa). The germ cells of the diploid plant (2n) are haploid
Triploidie – Wikipedia
Starting with this problem science calls hemp and marihuana with the same name cannabis sativa, all this mix can only lead to degradation of the quality of the product, no wonder degraded sativa genetics is all I see over the commercial canna world
I had this autumm many triploid hazes. So it seems I received in my pack of hazes from MadMac some tetraploid males, because otherwise how can I have so many triploids???
All the triploid girls I dusted made seed. All of them no exceptions
I guess science didnt study enough ganja triploids or maybe science is studying it with hemp and wants to apply it to marihuana because science calls both of them cannabis sativa.
Same like studying deseases on mouses and applying results on people and results not really matching right? Hemp is not marihuana and mice are not human beings
Maybe science can find proper naming for both hemp and marihuana??
Any drug lover knows more about drugs than science. Science loves hierarchy, prestige, power and signing papers, no matter how scientific those papers are or if those papers have empirical evidence or not, the important thing for scientists today is to sign papers, all Egotrip and fuck science and empirical evidence
These triploids have no productivity at all, it is just freaks and not necessarily all freaks are better. I am having plenty of freaks to check. I might concede that one freak might be outstanding but from what I see here, this is very far from all freaks being outstanding
You can see the seed in one of my triploids, all of the triploids I dusted made seed. I doubt if I ever will grow this seed, I am not looking for extreme expressions but for top marihuana entheogenic quality.
Is this happening because outdoors genetics are being bred indoors?
Are there any real scientific papers studying inbreeding depresion on outdoor cannabis sativa be it hemp or marihuana with empirical evidence?
Grojak
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when I first learned of fem seeds, I was furious, taking away the ability to reproduce. Plants that can’t be bred too is just crazy.
The idea that having a sterile female will allow folks to run exotic, untamed landraces is absurd. I don’t see The person growing out sterile females plants as the market for landrace or 100 day flowering plants.
The idea that having a sterile female will allow folks to run exotic, untamed landraces is absurd. I don’t see The person growing out sterile females plants as the market for landrace or 100 day flowering plants.
Mudballs2.0
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to call them triploid means they have 3 full sets of chromosomes, and we can't prove that without genetic testing. All we can say for certain, without further testing, is your plants have an extra branching gene, and that makes them trisomic aneuploid.
aneuploid= the condition of having an abnormal number of chromosomes
trisomic= In trisomy, there is an extra chromosome. A common trisomy is Down syndrome (trisomy 21).
triploids are generally sterile due to the inability to create a full diploid zygote but trifoliates have no reproduction limitations, they just dont make more trifoliates consistently...it's better to call these 3 branch plants trifoliates, i learned the hard way.
Aneuploidy is the presence of an abnormal number of chromosomes in a cell. There is an extra chromosome present in this case. Polyploidy is the presence of the extra set of the chromosome in the cells.
the hanging point is whether or not it's a full chromosome set or just extra or missing chromosomes.
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@funkyhorse That's not a triploid what you have there, that's a trifoliate aka whorled phyllotaxy mutation.
The terms triploid and trifoliate are always getting mixed up online on forums and blogs,...etc.
It's almost impossible to identify a triploid with the naked eye, they look almost identical to a regular plant.
Check out this thread if you want more info about polyploidy (ie. Triploids). There are even several pictures posted of confirmed triploid plants (check all the pages).
The terms triploid and trifoliate are always getting mixed up online on forums and blogs,...etc.
It's almost impossible to identify a triploid with the naked eye, they look almost identical to a regular plant.
Check out this thread if you want more info about polyploidy (ie. Triploids). There are even several pictures posted of confirmed triploid plants (check all the pages).
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Mudballs2.0
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You cant say (shouldn't say?) emphatically his plant is not a triploid. It can have 3 branches and be a triploid. I only commented that it is safer to run in public saying trifoliate when we have no clinical proof of its genetic make up.
It can have 2 branches and be a triploid...did you know capulators MAC1 is a natural triploid?
@Piff_cat what's your response on that @Sam_Skunkman claims that triploid Cannabis is not sterile? See screenshot.
funkyhorse
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Thank you very much for teaching guys
At Sam's thread I was taught these are triploids
I quote the posts from Sam's thread
Posts 6236 and Piff answer to it 6237 from page 312
At a previous post at that thread I explained I never studied botany and I copied at the exams
Have a nice week everyone
At Sam's thread I was taught these are triploids
I quote the posts from Sam's thread
Posts 6236 and Piff answer to it 6237 from page 312
At a previous post at that thread I explained I never studied botany and I copied at the exams
Have a nice week everyone
I have been wanting for years an answer to that question. My bet would be diploids considering the theory in the below screenshot if they could divide into haploid gametes. (But I know little about the subject and might be wrong.)
But I have never seen anyone posting lab results of what comes from crosses made with fertile triploids...
But I have never seen anyone posting lab results of what comes from crosses made with fertile triploids...
i think nev said it best here.... wish he was still around
.sentimentality is cool but progress is better.a well organized collective to put true cannabis in anyones hands who wants to grow it is the kryptonite for big pharma.
Jan 5, 2011
My purpose with this thread is to help people with their breeding. IMO the best way to increase quality and diversity is to have lots of people breeding their own variants of the best lines available. We all have our own way of doing things. I'm not suggesting that my way is the only way. It's the end product that counts. One plant can change the world.
As far as I'm concerned, any tool that gets me where I want to go is a valid tool. I've found that intensive inbreeding followed by line breeding to be very effective. A study of pedigrees of other species where pedigrees are kept, also proves this to be the case. Many people choose the route of endless outcrossing and also have their successes.
All matings are 1:1 matings, the difference is that with deliberate 1:1 matings you know who the father is.
Selfing is a possible exception, but is also a valid tool for fixing a trait. I would have loved to selfed NL5 to try and exaggerate the resin production. It didn't work with that plant, but it still may work for others. Feminisation as a breeding strategy seems to work for some. Cabron showed us some heavy yielding plants, bred in this way. The only moral arguments I have against fems is that it may cause hermies, but if you've tested the mating and it doesn't, well it doesn't. The other argument is that it stops people from breeding without using specialised teks. You could fix that by including an extra packet of seeds from a M to F mating that would even act as a suitable mate for the best fems.
I'm about empowering people, IMO thats the best way to save the genepool.
All this talk about open pollinated landraces, is wasted on me, I haven't got any. How many are in the MN catalogue? Mostly the people waffling on about it don't have or sell any either. That and saving the genepool is mostly noble sounding horseshit. The genepool doesn't need saving. Cannabis will out last us. What needs saving is good genes. I thought the best way to do that was to spread the genetics of the best individual plants. I seem to have had some success.
If Chimera or Gitt want to explain how what they are doing is better, I'm willing to listen. Start with what you are growing and how it was bred. Then tell us how you are saving the genepool. If you don't want to do that, stop giving me a hard time.
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