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[GoneGrowing]

Hey! A little update, looking a bit better in the closet, but sadly I discovered some mold in 2 of the biggest buds on 2 of my hasbberys. I have cut off the top of the infected area on one of them removed the other infected area by cutting a bit from the side. the mold is obviously due to my too high night humidity at some times, which have been better lately, but can I really do anything than keep a good eye on them from now on and make sure the closet is properly vebtilated at night? if I discover much more mold I'll just soon have to get them harvested I guess

 

[HeadyPete]

GG, so sorry. i lost close to 2 oz from molding in the jar. The buds were so big and dense (not a brag ), the cores molded after I thought they were dry. I was burping the jar, but not enough obviously. I smelled mushroomy damp smell and my heart sank.

Do you have a fan blowing on your plants at all times? If you don't you need to. It has to be a table fan, not a small computer fan. If it oscillates, even better.

I am also curious about you abandoning the BioBizz ship. The reason I ask is because I use the gro, bloom, top max, and dry premix in my own cocosoil and I am thrilled with the results. A friend used the similar program and he was stoked. His gro store raves about BB. What exactly is the complaint about the soil? It is pre-ferted, pretty potently, so perhaps that played a part? I don't know what the problem was with your garden and it's too far back to look up. I burned my first crop a little and eased back on the liquid nutes for a bit, but now I have the feed sched tweaked and everything is groovy.

 

[GoneGrowing]

Hey HeadyPete!

Yeah it's sad to see mold in there, haven't spotted it elsewhere but those 2 places, but I know how rapid it can spread, and it can be hard to spot. I have a honeywell fan blowing on the tops of the plants at all time, it hasn't been running at nights until I ralized how high humidity it was in there at night. But now its constantly running, my night humidity tonight was 59 %, a bit better than earlier, but still too high. Sorry to hear about you loosing 2 oz after harvest during curing, that must be REALLY painfull, but unlike you my buds aren't that big, lol, so I might be lucky that way and be able to avoid mold when drying.

About BioBizz. I'm not at all saying that its bad, I just couldn't get control of it, I'm a firsttimer indoors so I have a hard time comparing soils and nutes based on other than this first experience and others experiences. I have read several people experiencing similar problems as I had. During veg everything was GOOD, really healthy plants, but when flowering started issues began, and this is the same I've heard from other, especially from a friend of mine who started flowering at the same time as me in all-mix also. So I'm not saying that bio grow, bloom or topmax are bad, I'm saying that I don't think all-mix is very good, high EC and not the best ratio of NPK maybe, I don't know, but I have to change the factors that I believe have had an negative effect and the soil is primary for me to do this. I might use BioBizz organic nutrients, just not their soil. I really want to have a succesfull grow next time, and I don't think that I'm able to do so with this soil, I'm quite sure that biobizz's products are of good quality so I believe you and you friend are getting good results using it, it was just not ewasy for me to get control of nutrients. But my tap water has a high EC of 0.8-1.0 so this and the soil, bad combo I believe.

 

[HeadyPete]

Well I hear you, you gotta do what is good for you and going simple until you master a few grows is a good plan.

I am not partial to the BB, no need to defend, and I've never used the soil, I was curious to hear your results. I would recommend the liquid nutes, for sure. The are molasses based with kelp, and gentle and organic.

i hope the fan running 24hrs solves your mold problem. It is just good for the plants in general to have fresh air constantly circulting around them.

Take care.

 

[GoneGrowing]

Yeah that is the plan, keep it as simple as possible the next grows until I think a have control of things.

And yes, it's cool that you're sharing your experince with BioBizz's liquid nutes, have heard from others that are quite glad aboout them, so maybe I'll use them.

And yes, I hope that the fan running constantly will help keeping the mold away, and yes off course you're right that its good for the plants to have air constantly cirkulating in the closet, the reason i haven't had it on at night was that I thought it would mean that the temperature got to low when the hps wasn't on and the exhaust fan is running air out through the closet, but hat isn't the case(and also the reason that it hasn't been on is also because its quite noisy, but will have to do some DIY to get that fixed I gues).

So thanks for the inputs, I have started a thread about my ideas and plans for for the next grow based on changes from this grow and so on, check it out and feel very velcome to comment in any way, here's the link

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=75139

good times!

 

[MynameStitch]

Ya, you can get bugs from pretty much any soil; I got those bugs I was telling you about gone from MG soil, before they changed it with the 3 months timed release crap that got now....

You could by the most expensive soil out there and you will always have a chance at the stuff carrying bugs to your garden; the ONLY real way to ensure you are not going to bring home some nasties.... is to take your soil and cook it in the oven LOL
I am not kidding, seriously cook the dirt in high heat, but not hot enough to destroy benificall bacteria and nutrients in the soil.......

 

[GoneGrowing]

Hey! Yeah I guess bugs can come from any soil, especially if one have had to oist soil as I had. Cooking the soil, guess one would have to be a gourmet cook to succeed without damaging the micronutrients and stuff as you said, so nah, probably better of getting ok soil and keeping it not to moist and in case of bugs have the mosquito dunks ready. My plants are gonna get a dose of the dunks again tomorrow, so hopefully that'll rid the soil of any possible remaining bugs.

I went crazy with the camera tonight, just too bad uploading pics is disabled at the moment. But as I have been saying for a while they aren't in too bad a shape, not exploding, but definitely getting better, well hopefully they are as the y should soon be ready to chop. A little more fungus observed today from one of the two spots previously discovered, I hadn't chopped enough of so the fungus was spreading, but slowly, hope I got it sufficiently chopped from that spot now. But the thing is I guess I can never be sure theres no fungus when it first has been in there, just have to keep my fan running, fingers crossed and inspect them carefully. But in your guide MynameStitch you wrtite that neem oil can be used to fight fungus, but I guess its not an option to spray neem oil on the buds this late in flower, there can't be much more than about a week til they're done, but my microscope has crashed so can't really check the trichomes, but guess it's possible that my plants were stunted and maybe they could need a little longer to finish flower?

 

[MynameStitch]

The admin said the problem will be fixed soon; so not sure what is going on, but at least they are working on the problem.
Ya, neem oil is not good to use near harvest..... your better off using something else..... bud mold can't be fought you just have to chop it and throw it out of the grow room and try to get your humidity down from it spreading, ya when a plant is stunted it slows it's growth and tries to heal; so yes flowering times can be a little longer depending on the situation; with yours just a little longer but not much.

You got fungus on your leaves or you got bud mold?

 

[GoneGrowing]

Hey! my primary languagae isn't english, so suddenly I started doubting if the correct term was mold or fungus. But yes, its bud mold, well can't show any pictures so yes theres constant air cirkulation, and I have chopped off the parts that I could see was infected, not the biggest lost so far, just don't want it to spread. Hopeefully they're soon all ready to be chopped on purpose, not because of my mold. Thanks.

EDIT: shortly after this I found mold in one more plant, still only in a small amount on its biggest bud, so it has been chopped and im trying to dry the parts that were cut off but wasn't mold infected. So my night humidity is about 60-61% Rh, fan cirkulating constantly, but should I consider chopping them down now instead of wait because of the mold issues?

Light schedule was switched to 12/12 on the 5th of october and they started flowering fast after that, about the 9-10th of october probably, and the 2 strains I have in there has a flowering period of 60-65 days which means that they have been flowering for 60 days in a couple of days(not including the fact that they might have been stunted and could take a couple days longer than usual). I know you can't really answer this without seeing trichomes and such, but I'm getting a bit worried about the mold and would rather loose some potency than all the buds due to mold.

 

[MynameStitch]

Bud mold is caused by either misting your plants when in flower, or your humidity is too high; have you been checking your RH or misting your plants? also when you chop the infected parts do you remove them from the grow room? It's important that you do that as when it's high humidity the spores from the infected buds can infect your other buds that are not yet infected.

You runing a dehumidifier?

 

[GoneGrowing]

Hey, yeah my humidity is too high, haven't been misting at any time. My humidity when the lights are on is about 42% rh, but at nights when the lights are off the humidity seems to rise to about 60-61% rh, have been more at nights earlier, but not anymore, that seems to be the maximum humidity at nights. The buds that have been chopped of is removed from the grow room, so that shouldn't be the case, but I might not have been able to spot all the mold, have inspected carefully, but don't know if I've gotten rid of it all. And no, I haven't got a dehumidifier, is there anything else I can do to get the night humidity down than getting a electric dehumidifier?

soon its time to chop, so cant really get something to dehumidify in time, but what about something like these?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Revolutionany-Interior-Dehumidifier-electricity-required/dp/B000X1ERW8

 

[MynameStitch]

I will have to ask my boyfriend about that one; he is the one who knows about stuff like that; I always kept growroom design and stuff to him cause he knows more about that area than I do. He used to go in the growroom design and setup fourms when OG was up and help peeps out.

so when he gets home I will ask him; or if anyone else would like to chime in please do

Ya, that humidity is too high; are you watering before lights out or doing something with water that would make your humidity go up?

 

[GoneGrowing]

Hey! Always a good idea to keep assignments separate for couples, so sound like a nice arrangement you two have So would be nice if your boyfriend or anyone else has any ideas on those "interior dehumidifier".

As said, a little late for me to go shopping for a dehumidifier, of course i could go to the local hardwareshop and get one, but they're quite pricey around here last I checked. So would much rather if I could use something that doesn't consume alot of power and doesn't cost that much.

I'm not watering late at day, maybe I have done that earlier on, but not for a month at least, I usually water around mid of the plants daytime.
My night humidity is still to high, but I actually had higher humidity at night earlier on(maybe that was where my mold isues started), that was until I realized how high it was at night and therefore started having the fan on constantly at night which I usually didn't until then. But the reason I think my humidity is too high night is that I'm, well not coldhearted guy but I like to keep my room temperature low and I live in scandinavia. So thats definitely a possible reason for my high humidity at night, because at daytime humidity is fine.

Well I would like to keep them in there a bit longer, and will do if I don't spot much more mold. So I'm gonna try keeping my room temperature a bit higher than usual and make sure there's sufficiently air circulating at night.

 

[MynameStitch]

You want to water when you have at least 8 hours of light time left.... anything else can contribute to a increase in humidity; you want the water to somewhat dry on the top a bit or just slightly moist before the lights go out.
I will have my boyfriend post back here tonight when he gets home from work; he will be able to get ya your answer if no one else has posted back by then

 

[GoneGrowing]

Hey! There won't be much watering left to do in this grow, but I'll definitely make sure that in the future I water like you said, with 8 hours of light left and the top soil being dry when light stops. Have been watering like that lately, but I haven't watered like that throughout the whole grow. Tonight I had humidity up to 63% even though the temperatur was higher than usual, but they were watered yesterday, maybe that had something to do with it.

But yes, everybody fell very velcome to give me some input on those interior dehumidifiers or similar products.

 

[MynameStitch]

I asked my boyfriend and he said it would work, but your better off getting a de- humidifier if you want good results..... he said he would type in detail tonight. He got home really late last night and jumped in the shower and went to bed; we all are fighting some kind of bug.... it's not fun let me tell ya

 

[prx]

Damn dude you are over feeding them; most defiantly flush them out.

You can start out small and use around 5ml per 4 liters of water.... your feeding is 5 x to strong.....

so yes flush them out with about 8 liters of water.

MyNameStitch:I flushed my plants five days ago. When must i feed them, leaves are now yellow. tnx

 

[MynameStitch]

Go ahead and feed your plants, but give a light dose first; do not slam them right back with nutrients.... then the next time you feed them give around 1 tsp per gallon of water..... so 5ml per 4 liters

 

[prx]

Go ahead and feed your plants, but give a light dose first; do not slam them right back with nutrients.... then the next time you feed them give around 1 tsp per gallon of water..... so 5ml per 4 liters

MynameStitch: I have except your introductions, but I had one more problem


Warlock problem(30 day flower - what coul be problem if you look the picture under the text? to little N?)

DCxSUNK problem #1( 30 day flower-the same problem as in picture above)

DCXSKUNK problem #2(30day flower- the same problem as in picture above)

 

[GoneGrowing]

Hey! Last night my maximum humidity was measured to be 49% rh, so thats good, maybe I've gotten it better by the fan cirkulating and there aren't much water left in the pots probably and a little bit hotter in there, I might have gotten better/lower night humidity. Haven't been able to spot anymore mold in there, so things are looking good. They're really starting to smell nice, nice strong scent, a bit fruity scent. And many of the smaller leaves are wrinkling up so guess that a good signal that they're soon done. Today they have been flowering for about 60 days and the strains flowering time is suggested to be 60-65 days, so think they will soon be chopped. Too bad that my microscope isn't functioning so that I can't checks the trichomes colors. But anyway, no more water will go into the pots and I think I will chop them in one of the next days. A few pics of them from a few days ago, the two first are from one of the white satins and the two last are from the purple hashberry, it doesn't have the biggest buds, but nice coverage of trichs.