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[haze12421]

Need help with lowryder #2

Need help with lowryder #2

Im about 7 days into flowering.. I have looked on here in the guide and I don't see anything on buds that have started to go brown on the top.
Ive kept them away from the light and given them water twice in a row now. Buds browning at the top is getting worse. They are prob. on day 53 or so. I only have about a week left but the way its spreading who knows what the plant will look like at the end. Nothing has changed since I have given it straight water twice in a row and kept it about 2 1/2 inches from the 105 watt cfl. I have been feeding it 3/4 a cup of urine, 1 and a half teaspoon of liquid kool bloom, 1 teaspoon of flora bloom and one tablespoon of black mollasses per gallon. So it was def getting its nutrients but the past two water flushes have made no difference on the plant. Thank you before hand for any help anyone can give me. Its sad to watch my first grow and have beautiful green buds turning brown. Unless maybe they are turning brown because its ready for harvest?

 

[MynameStitch]

I have been feeding it 3/4 a cup of urine, 1 and a half teaspoon of liquid kool bloom, 1 teaspoon of flora bloom and one tablespoon of black mollasses per gallon

Damn dude do you realize how strong 3/4 cup of straight urine is? Did you dilute it with water???

The pics are so damn small I can't tell, not only that it looks like it hermied and you have balls all over the place...... you got seeds in your bud?

WHat CFL brand are you using?: 105 watt output? or 27 watts?
105 CFL is strong for 2 1/2 in away from the plant if it is 105 watts...... (btw I do not remember if they even make one that strong, I think I did remember once seeing they did but not 100% sure)

Is that soil you are growing in?
WHat mixture is it? How often are you giving them your feedings?
How often are you watering?
WHat ph is the run off?
WHat temps and RH in your grow cab?
When you flushed her how much water did you use?
What size pot are they in?
How big are the plants?

 

[haze12421]

Soil is oceans forest. and 1/4 perlite
Mixture is what i got from mr. micro's nanomachine thread..
Watering whenever the top runs dry. Basically every other day or so.
To tell you the truth I haven't tested the ph will do so tonight.
Temps are about 80
When I flushed her I used the general amount i use. ( one of those measuring cups) not sure of ounces will get back to you on that. At work at the moment
Its about 4 1/2 inches tall by about 6 inches round..
Full Spectrum (Red + Blue), Cool Ruining 105w
Plant is pretty small. prob about 7 inches. Its been LST'd a little bit
This is a seed run......First grow, First seed run... Not hermied i dont think because it is lowryder #2 and its in small pot.
Thank you for replying back so fast. Appreciate it man

 

[GoneGrowing]

Hey again MynameStitch. After looking a bit about I found that the bugs might very well be the ones called springtails. The description of them fits very well, they according to this description

http://www.ext.vt.edu/departments/entomology/factsheets/springta.html

they mostly appear in moist soil (and they where first spotted after I had had very moist soil due to flushing), and their name springtails seems to derive from the fact that the can spring when attacked, which also fits well with your observation of them jumping on to the rim of your pots. And the description of their damage is that they do not damage soil or roots, and that the best way to get rid of them is letting ones soil dry out, one should not try to rid them by organic/chemical substances. So seems to fit in every way, you can try to search the web for better images, the ones I stumpled upon I think fit mines appearence well. So I believe that these are the ones I have, and that I shouldn't be worried of them damaging roots or soil. So I guess I can rule them out as a cause to my defficiencies, but I can use them as an indicator that I still must have to moist soil maybe. So will let my pots dry better til I feed next time. Still can't get my pics up, hmm. Well will continue to see if I can get some up in the near future. Be good!

 

[MynameStitch]

I have heard of those being pests to some growers..... but you will see the crawling around out side the pot too if that is it......

Can you get a pic of the adult ones hoping on your pots? Or is that what it looks like in the picture of the link you sent me?
If so those are not hard to get rid of at all.....

How much water are you using when you water? Do you water when the water comes out the bottom all the time? If so how from the time oyu water like that, how long will the next watering be?

 

[haze12421]

Any ideas on my prob. Mynamestitch? Not trying to be annoying

 

[MynameStitch]

Watering whenever the top runs dry. Basically every other day or so.

THat is what caused your problem; you need to lift up that pot and know when it is dry; even then you do NOT water
Your slow growth came from your overwatering your plants; also how much urine did you mix with water? You did not say how much; the pics are far to small to see the issue up close.....

10k has a good method of learning how to lift the pot; you should give this a read; just because the top soil is dry does not mean the bottom is dry; if you have to water everyday and your plants droop 2 days later and look underwatered; the plants are rootbound and need transplanted ( just letting you know for future reference)

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=47761

You also did not answer how often you were feeding them that mixture of nutrients either.....

Pictures are far to small and the one that does show damage is to blurry I can't tell if it's heat damage or damage from nutrient issues or you burned them from the ureaes in the urine.......

 

[haze12421]

Thanx agian for the reply. I mixed 3/4 a cup too one gallon.
Its browned at the top of some of the seeds im guessing
I fed them the nutrients i listed every time i watered..

 

[GoneGrowing]

Hey! I haven't seem them crawling out side the pots, but today when I watered they came out with the nunoff too, hadn't seen them in the runoff before. But as I said, they didn't appear before all my flushing which really soaked my soil, so that could definitely be their origin. Haven't been able to spot many of them lately and never seen them unless I was watering the plants. As I said, still can't get any pics up, and they are only visible for 5 seconds when watering.

But in the last 2-3 weeks watering have been very irregular, but the soil have been very soaked due to the flushing. I watered/fertilized 4 days ago, and they got about half a gallon each in tho the 3 gallon pots then, and when I watered today about 1.5 gallons of water was distributed to the 5 plants, so they got about 0.3 gallons each. And yes lately there has been enough water for a little to run out the pots, and when water came out the bottom I more or less stop watering. Looks like I have gotten a better ph in the pots and really want to get on a more stabil feeding/watering schedule, so my intentions were to give 1 feeding per week which will give me a schedule of watering, wait 3-4 days - wait 3-4 days and feeding-wait 3-4 days and water and so on, and intend to be using about 0.3 gallons of water each time, do you think this sound excessive and that I should water less? I really think that the description of springtails sounds fitting to my pest. Here's another link to a pic of springtails which seems to resemble my pests quite well

http://www.plante-doktor.dk/Folsomia candida 3.jpg

I'll let them dry out to get the springtails out, if it indeed are such I have in the soil, I really think I've gotten ph fixed and now I just want to give them a regular feeding/watering schedule, so any corrections to my schedule is very welcome.

EDIT: But then again, when rereading the pest section from your guide the bugs could also be Symphilids because as you state they appear in top soil when I water, as you state in the guide and they could also resemble the picture illustrated of Symphilids. Oh damn, hate this speculation, think my roots look quite healthy, but should really have taken the time to magnify those that I discovered with the runoff today. You mention in the section about Symphilids that baking the soil in the oven can rid one of the soil bugs, but isn't this quite an agressive approach? Looked everywhere today at the garden section of my hardware store, but didn't really find any product that I'd fell safe by putting in my soil. hmm

 

[MynameStitch]

3/4 cup to a gallon is not much so you are alright there.... they have a urine thread on here somewhere...... I will have to try to find it again.
But ya I need better pics Ican't tell what is wrong in those pics....... they are to small and blurry.

Growing sounds like you have the schedule correctly and now you should be getting back on track m8! I would love to see some updates of your plants soon
As for the pests..... ya spring tails like high humidity or moist areas and you may be keeping it to moist... where is your grow in a basement closet or grow room?

 

[GoneGrowing]

Hey! Yes think I have the schedule ok for them to get regular feedings. And yes as soon as I can post some pics of my of plants getting better I will, still can't get pics up here, but could try another imageservice . But seriously, i still don't see much effect in there. I don't know what those pest are, only thing I know is that I don't want them, so I have ordered some mosquito dunks from ebay and look forward to getting them.

I grow in a closet in an appartment, the humidity in the closet is right now 46% rh, but according tho my thermometer/hygrometer which was reset a couple of days ago, the maximum humidity in there has been 69% rh, that's way too high I guess. must be at night sometime

 

[GoneGrowing]

Really got worried about those bugs again, hadn't been worrying about them in a while, so today I put in just a tad of water in one pot and grabbed a bunch of them and some soil from the top soil. I inspected the best as good as I could and I think that I can say with 90% certainty that they are springtails when comparing to different pics of springtails. So now I'm a bit less worried. Still have the mosquito dunks coming in a little less than a week or so. But don't you just think that I should let the soil really dry out before next watering/feeding?

 

[GoneGrowing]

This is almost getting funny. I nolonger think I'm growing plants in the closet, only seem to be growing animals. As mentioned earlier I really think that I have some quite harmless springtails. But further inspection showed me more exciting animals. In two pots where there wasn't only allmix in, had supplied these pots with other potting soil. But in these two pots I also saw alot of little white worms wiggling around. They don't seem to have a distinct black spot in the end like illustrated of fungus gnats, but otherwise they resemble quite well. So still too long til I get the mosquito dunks. Guess they have just have way to moist soil lately and to humid which have caused a good breedingground for these bastards. Not much hope left for me soon, lol.

 

[MynameStitch]

Well, not sure what pest they are white worms are normally in moist soil that has sat outside and brought indoors at least it is around here; but anyways it's from moist soil and they can only survive in moist soil.......

So I would put a fan on the soil to help dry out the top and start towards down the soil.....

 

[GoneGrowing]

Hey. No I don't really know what they are, don't look quite like quite like fungus gnats and haven't seen any flies in there, they are only in the pots that have had some "normal" potting soil added, so must be something from that soil. But yes I have scraped the moist top layer of soil off and added a little new soil up there to keep'em dry, and will put a fan on them to dry out the soil further more. And when the mosqiuto dunks arrive I'll apply them crumbled to the top of the soil and give them some water.
You've helped me so much MynameStitch, so would wish I could get some pics up here showing them looking better, but still they aren't really looking better, they don't look much different than the pics allready here, but if I do experience things getting better pics will definitely find their way somehow.

 

[MynameStitch]

Yes, the soil you buy.. you get what you pay for!
I have seen MG soil have mites in them, but only a few times. I used MG soil when I got those bugs I was telling you about that I had NO idea what the hell they were.


It's going to take them some time to recover; but remember the damaged leaves won't recover.....

So as long as semi newer growth does not get affected after it sprouts some new sets of leaves you will be alright.

 

[GoneGrowing]

Hey MynameStitch! Yes one gets what ones pays for, I know that the "regular" soil used wasn't the best, but wasn't used in big amounts, but that doesn't matter if it has nasty stuff in it. Still awaiting the mosquito dunks, but have had the fan on the top of the soil trying to get the soil dried out, might wait till tomorrow to water them again, but they're getting quite dryin the pots. And even with looking a little beneath the top soil layer I have been able to spot no springtails or small worms, so a little hope of them being significantly reduced is shaping in my worried mind.

I know that I won't see the affected leaves getting better, but haven't been observing much new growth in leaves, but for a long time now no leaves have been getting more yellow or falling off, so thats good. And pistil production seems to have increased, even on the purple one that really hadn't been showing any flower growth in a long time. So very, very slowly they might be getting better I can't really do much but keep less moist than earlier and on a steady feeding schedule and then hope, so that's whats going on. But woohooo, pics are working at the moment, so heres a few, some from the beautiful purple hashberry and, hmm well mixed.

pic 1 and 2 from the healthiest/biggest hashberry from nov. 18
pic 3 overall shot from nov. 18
pic 4 from the biggest white satin from nov 24.
pic 5,6,7 and 8 from the beautiful purple hashberrry from nov. 24





















So I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that they're getting better as all along.

 

[MynameStitch]

Dude, that is some beautiful pictures man.... I mean really I love the purple color and the trichs are all over the place!
Who is the breeder for hashberry?

 

[GoneGrowing]

Thank you very much MynameStitch, I very much like them hashberry very much too, they seem to put out a nice amount of trichs and it looks to be a nice pheno i got me in the purple one, it hash a nice hashy smell to it. The breeder of both of my strains, White satin and Hashberry is Mandala Seeds, and seem to be some strong genetics, but I'm just a newbie, but all of my plants are cloned and will try to select the best hashberry and run that exclusive next run and so far the purple looks to be the best candidate. Today the got a little feeding, and no bugs were spotted in the soil, so looking good.

 

[GoneGrowing]

Hey again! Still going ok I guess, still no explosive growth which really should be happening soon if they were on the right path as there soon isn't much more thatn 14 days left of the 65 days flowering period. Today I received an EC truncheon I had ordered, not the best EC-equipment, it can only measure EC-values from 0.4-5.4 and in an interval of 0.2 EC, so not the most exact measurement. But as I feared my tapwater has a very high EC of about 0.8, the EC-truncheon blinks around 0.8-1.0, but seems to be around 0.8. So that's really high considering that (according to the breeder of my hashberry and white satin, MandalaMike) EC-levels shouldn't be more than 0.8 in soil.

I have bought some filters resembling britt filters, but haven't yet tested their effect on my waters EC. But I guess that with this high an EC-level in my tapwater I can't really add any nutrients without getting a too high EC for the plants. So unless the britt filter can really reduce the EC in my tapwater, don't you think I really should consider getting a reverse osmosis filter for my water? I would like not to have to spend money on one, but if it's nescessary I will get one.


EDIT. I have now tried out the anna filters I have, which are similar to brit filters, but they seem to have no significant effect on the EC so, I'm gonna get me an Reverse Osmosis Filter soon.