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Well when we baught this one he was about 6 months old already, now he has 2 years i think. We baught him around 400euros from one of the local stores around & he was clipped when we baught him but we removed that thing from his leg. he is confident lets us touch him & play with but sometimes he still panics lol, i don't know exactly how many sounds & words he says but i think he about 15 diff words, many broken words & some knocking sounds,kissing sounds,ambulance, he tries to make moble phone sounds & more but not as good the first one we had.
2 of the other 3 died with fever (at least what the vet said) & the last one died from what we believe, he missed his 3 year owner, cos he died 4 days after we got him... but i don't know exactly.... & sorry to hear about your losses...
I agree, its sad talking about their deaths.
Your parrot is IMPRESSIVE, i took a few looks & she really made laugh, very sweet & confident & knows too much. Our first one was a little close to it ,we had her for 7 years cos she was female too.
From what u told me i think this one we have now is a male cos his tail is all solid red, i looked under the tail & all red i saw it...
She flew 5 hours away? omg she wanted to fly i guess but at least u found her. U seem to spend many time with her, she loves u... They r very sweet , i don't know yet if this upload prob is fixed but i'll try to post some pics of mine & its tail later on...
2 of the other 3 died with fever (at least what the vet said) & the last one died from what we believe, he missed his 3 year owner, cos he died 4 days after we got him... but i don't know exactly.... & sorry to hear about your losses...
I agree, its sad talking about their deaths.
Your parrot is IMPRESSIVE, i took a few looks & she really made laugh, very sweet & confident & knows too much. Our first one was a little close to it ,we had her for 7 years cos she was female too.
From what u told me i think this one we have now is a male cos his tail is all solid red, i looked under the tail & all red i saw it...
She flew 5 hours away? omg she wanted to fly i guess but at least u found her. U seem to spend many time with her, she loves u... They r very sweet , i don't know yet if this upload prob is fixed but i'll try to post some pics of mine & its tail later on...
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You mean the leg band? Ya I did not get mine one either; I think it is pointless. I mean greys do not live around where me and you live.... so what is the point? Now unless you live around where they fly free in the wide; then I could see putting it on lol.
Crazy! Mine is 2 years old too!
Yes, mine does the exact same thing! Even though me and her are bonded; once in a while when I start to pet her she gets nerves... It is just there nature with how timid they are.... they trust you but there instinct's tell them otherwise.....
They are no where near domesticated. Damn, that is really said loosing 3 of those birds like that....... A grey is a one owner bird, they can be; depends on the bird itself. I have heard many stories where they have died after being with there owners for a long time and if something happend to the owner they got shipped elsewhere or put in a bird refugee they just die...... like a shock type that happens to a lot of wild animals when they get trapped out of no where......
I love my bird; she is a real trip ehh? I think the funniest thing she says is "gotta go to work, gotta go bye bye" lol
Na, she did not fly 5 hours away she stayed within a 1/2 mile raidus of the house... She was out from 1 pm in the afternoon untill 8 am the next morning.... it was chilly outside too... got into the 40's. They are tropical birds and she was lucky she still had all that fluffy down from being a juvenile.
I immediatly put out fliers after I lost her... around 75 put them on peoples doors car windshields everything..... that night I did get a call saying he heard a clucking in his tree.... the next morning we found her 2 houses down from where the guy called.
They make this weird cluck or a ticking sound when they lost there flock and are trying to locate them; I read. Oh I spend a lot of time with her she is always with me; I think the most annoying part I can't stand..... I sweep a lot with messes being made in the house.... every damn time I get that broom out..... she sees it flys over to me and screams at the damn broom, she will either climb on my head and use my hair for leverage so she can hang and drop above the broom handle and bite on it....... so I said hell with it and got one of those swiffer max's... she does not do it to that.... only the brooms!
I will have to get it on tape and upload it sometime......
I think the upload is fixed let me try it......
YUP! It works now
The first pic is after her shower..... the 2nd pic is me sleeping and the cat sleeping on me while the bird is getting ready to sleep on the cat... this is what it was like every night for me... all the animals except for the other cat would join in bed... we have a queen size bed so 3 animals and 2 people in the bed is terrible lol
I was going to get a king size, but now with just the bird I am just going to stick with my queen.
Crazy! Mine is 2 years old too!
Yes, mine does the exact same thing! Even though me and her are bonded; once in a while when I start to pet her she gets nerves... It is just there nature with how timid they are.... they trust you but there instinct's tell them otherwise.....
They are no where near domesticated. Damn, that is really said loosing 3 of those birds like that....... A grey is a one owner bird, they can be; depends on the bird itself. I have heard many stories where they have died after being with there owners for a long time and if something happend to the owner they got shipped elsewhere or put in a bird refugee they just die...... like a shock type that happens to a lot of wild animals when they get trapped out of no where......
I love my bird; she is a real trip ehh? I think the funniest thing she says is "gotta go to work, gotta go bye bye" lol
Na, she did not fly 5 hours away she stayed within a 1/2 mile raidus of the house... She was out from 1 pm in the afternoon untill 8 am the next morning.... it was chilly outside too... got into the 40's. They are tropical birds and she was lucky she still had all that fluffy down from being a juvenile.
I immediatly put out fliers after I lost her... around 75 put them on peoples doors car windshields everything..... that night I did get a call saying he heard a clucking in his tree.... the next morning we found her 2 houses down from where the guy called.
They make this weird cluck or a ticking sound when they lost there flock and are trying to locate them; I read. Oh I spend a lot of time with her she is always with me; I think the most annoying part I can't stand..... I sweep a lot with messes being made in the house.... every damn time I get that broom out..... she sees it flys over to me and screams at the damn broom, she will either climb on my head and use my hair for leverage so she can hang and drop above the broom handle and bite on it....... so I said hell with it and got one of those swiffer max's... she does not do it to that.... only the brooms!
I will have to get it on tape and upload it sometime......
I think the upload is fixed let me try it......
YUP! It works now
The first pic is after her shower..... the 2nd pic is me sleeping and the cat sleeping on me while the bird is getting ready to sleep on the cat... this is what it was like every night for me... all the animals except for the other cat would join in bed... we have a queen size bed so 3 animals and 2 people in the bed is terrible lol
I was going to get a king size, but now with just the bird I am just going to stick with my queen.
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Yes the leg band, thats stupid the way i see it, we immediatly took it off his leg but we left his I.d. number ring.
Now i'm thinkin its female cos i saw like silver on the sec-tips but i'm not 100%, i tried to take some close-ups he moves alot . How cute of yours sleeping on the cat hehehe, yes when she said ''gotta go to work'' really made me laugh, that bird is a genius lol...lol she likes showers i think, i heard her saying 'shower'
...I'm not a great photographer but i'll try & take a few close-ups of the tail again...
poor cat & dog arn't with u anymore
yes it was pain loosing those 3 birds like that, we always loved greys... That cluck sound u'r talking about, i think i know which one is that cos he/she does that cluck sound..either by its self or one after the other like knocking sometimes, & the more he/she hears music or tv to more he/she shouts lol.Its nice loving animals & they show u they love it :kitty: .
I think I see the silver tips! I will take a picture of my grey's tail and show you. But I think yours may be female
Does your bird have any toys? Or is she scared of them?
I have to introduce a new toy to mine slowly unless I take her with me to the Pet store and she picks it out.
lol Oh god yes, she loves her showers; I have to lock the door to my bathroom otherwise she flys right in and perches on the top shower door and flys on my head and jumps right on her shower perch; she flaps all the water all over the place and drives me nuts; it's like putting a leaf blower in front of the shower lol
Nope I miss my dog and cat so much, I have found that it's very painful to let go of something your so attached to. It was very hard for me to get attached to another animal. I had to put my own dog down when I got pregnant; she was sick; I did not want to get her fixed but my mom made me 3 years prior to me getting pregnant.
She got sick slowly; got sebera (cradle cap) scaly skin... she had that and oily skin and was hypothyroid. She could not sit on anything without her getting it oily and nasty. Everytime I petted her I had to wash my hands; I had medication for her but it did not work to well. We took her back and forth to the vet and she gained so much weight despite us walking her and not giving her table scraps and a good healthy diet.
So I took her to the pound and had her put down; to this day even though she was very sick I regret the fact I took her there and when the guy came to get her she turned around and tried to run to me and cried when they took her away; that face and sound forever haunts me to this day. Since then I had a very cold shoulder to getting attached to an animal and allowed myself to get attached again and only then got hurt even more......
Sorry about that story; do not feel bad for me; I was just speaking what was on my mind.....
LOL mine does the exact same thing!! If I am running the vacuum she squawks and talks louder.
Your bird is so cute; I love the one where he/she looks like she is thinking in the last picture you posted. She is looking like she posed for the picture lol.
Thats another reason why I picked a bird; they live long time 50 to 70 years.
I love my bird; she is with me all the time and if I have to leave the room if I do not come back right away she comes flying around the house trying to find me...
I am done owning animals my bird is the last pet I will ever own.
My bird's parents were wild caught african grey's they were 25 years old and still do not like human contact. THe breeder just gives them a huge aviary outside in the summer and a whole room in fall- winter; this room was modified for a big indoor cage; the entire room is made up of gyms an such; the room was AMAZING.
When I got my bird it was cold; got her 1 day before my son's BDAY; we end up buying it for him from the start, but he was kinda freaked out to hold her, because when you picked her up she would put her wings out like a reflex that is normal in birds.
her wing span and huge feet freaked him out; will have to post some pics of her when I first got her. She was good friends with the cat ever since I brought her home. BUT the bird was the dominant one check the video afircan grey playing with my dog.....
she even gets mad and screams at a piece of leather on her cage door LOL
So what does your bird do; does she come out of her cage when she sees ya?
Edit: got some pics for ya; notice the tips are silvery color; they look black but they are not; if your grey has tips like this; then it is a female, if not it's a male.
I had mine DNA sexed through blood work; they sent me a birth certificate type thingy that has her name and sex and says congratulations it's a girl on it. Then on the back it has change of ownership papers and an ID number.
It was only a few weeks after I got the test that I found this one site that showed how to identify male and female african grey's; was a breeder in another country.
See the pics below; I circled a few; there are more in the picture but I just did a few so you would get the idea of what I was talking about. She even has some on her main tail feathers; but the ones you want to look for are her 2ndary covert tail feathers... the ones under her main tail.
Does your bird have any toys? Or is she scared of them?
I have to introduce a new toy to mine slowly unless I take her with me to the Pet store and she picks it out.
lol Oh god yes, she loves her showers; I have to lock the door to my bathroom otherwise she flys right in and perches on the top shower door and flys on my head and jumps right on her shower perch; she flaps all the water all over the place and drives me nuts; it's like putting a leaf blower in front of the shower lol
Nope I miss my dog and cat so much, I have found that it's very painful to let go of something your so attached to. It was very hard for me to get attached to another animal. I had to put my own dog down when I got pregnant; she was sick; I did not want to get her fixed but my mom made me 3 years prior to me getting pregnant.
She got sick slowly; got sebera (cradle cap) scaly skin... she had that and oily skin and was hypothyroid. She could not sit on anything without her getting it oily and nasty. Everytime I petted her I had to wash my hands; I had medication for her but it did not work to well. We took her back and forth to the vet and she gained so much weight despite us walking her and not giving her table scraps and a good healthy diet.
So I took her to the pound and had her put down; to this day even though she was very sick I regret the fact I took her there and when the guy came to get her she turned around and tried to run to me and cried when they took her away; that face and sound forever haunts me to this day. Since then I had a very cold shoulder to getting attached to an animal and allowed myself to get attached again and only then got hurt even more......
Sorry about that story; do not feel bad for me; I was just speaking what was on my mind.....
LOL mine does the exact same thing!! If I am running the vacuum she squawks and talks louder.
Your bird is so cute; I love the one where he/she looks like she is thinking in the last picture you posted. She is looking like she posed for the picture lol.
Thats another reason why I picked a bird; they live long time 50 to 70 years.
I love my bird; she is with me all the time and if I have to leave the room if I do not come back right away she comes flying around the house trying to find me...
I am done owning animals my bird is the last pet I will ever own.
My bird's parents were wild caught african grey's they were 25 years old and still do not like human contact. THe breeder just gives them a huge aviary outside in the summer and a whole room in fall- winter; this room was modified for a big indoor cage; the entire room is made up of gyms an such; the room was AMAZING.
When I got my bird it was cold; got her 1 day before my son's BDAY; we end up buying it for him from the start, but he was kinda freaked out to hold her, because when you picked her up she would put her wings out like a reflex that is normal in birds.
her wing span and huge feet freaked him out; will have to post some pics of her when I first got her. She was good friends with the cat ever since I brought her home. BUT the bird was the dominant one check the video afircan grey playing with my dog.....
she even gets mad and screams at a piece of leather on her cage door LOL
So what does your bird do; does she come out of her cage when she sees ya?
Edit: got some pics for ya; notice the tips are silvery color; they look black but they are not; if your grey has tips like this; then it is a female, if not it's a male.
I had mine DNA sexed through blood work; they sent me a birth certificate type thingy that has her name and sex and says congratulations it's a girl on it. Then on the back it has change of ownership papers and an ID number.
It was only a few weeks after I got the test that I found this one site that showed how to identify male and female african grey's; was a breeder in another country.
See the pics below; I circled a few; there are more in the picture but I just did a few so you would get the idea of what I was talking about. She even has some on her main tail feathers; but the ones you want to look for are her 2ndary covert tail feathers... the ones under her main tail.
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She is female then, i took a closer look & saw silver tips on the sec-tail feathers. I'l try to take some better pics of her, she was moving & making sounds while i took those pics but then i gave her a peanut to have her stand still lol. She comes to anyone of us when we approach her, as if she's telling us play with me & answers us the best she can by calling names & makin funny sounds but that cage is pissing me off. Do u think i should try & gently force her out of that fukkin cage? I don't know but maybe if she comes out once she'll like it... I still don't know why cos the others loved to come out. 1 funny story was When we had our second grey, once he came out of the cage by himself while it was closed for the night, we were watching tv in the living room & suddenly we hear his funny sounds & he came walking on the floor from the kitchen to the living room with 4 cats following him & staring at him as if they too r saying WTF lol, we couldn't believe our eyes because his cage at that time was made in way that u can never leave the door open accidentaly, it falls & clipps its self. I went rofl when i saw him walking around talkin by himself lol. We always use to leave them out during the day but i guess that night he couldn't sleep lmao... Toys? she gets scared at some toys but we got her a ladder & that bell thing she broke them to pieces. I think if i can get her out of that cage she'll get used to many things slowly but first i need to get her out & let her get more confident...
Oh, thats sweet taking her to the store to pick toys hehe...
Yes i know what it means loosing something u love so much, apart from those 3 parrots we lost a pregnant cat that fell 3 storeys & a Rottweiler dog after we had him for 11 years since he was puppy, we had to put him down too he had cancer on his leg & it very very painful for us especially for him. Our trusted vet came & put him asleep...That look, yes that look in his eyes before death is so sad, i didn't watch the whole thing... they feel death approaching , thats why your dog wanted to come to u... so fukkin sad....
I saw some vids of your bird they r so funny, the one she's screaming at the door-cage, the one she kisses u ,The one u was swinging her & playing upside down & with ur hair, the one making cat sounds & that one when she went 'gotta go to work' really got me laughing lol. There plenty more to watch... That bird is adorable lol, very sweet...
We use to record our first one on tapes (those days) but god knows were those tapes r now, its been around 20 years now, i was just a kid.
Sometimes mine starts dancing & singing (sort of) lol, like i said she says some clear words but in sentences she breaks them. Sometimes when i play with her i tell her 'oooooh my poor bird' & she goes 'oooooh' like me & she makes me laugh, yesterday she tried to laugh with me but she didn't got it out right lol, but while i was laughing at her he was trying to make a laughing sound too lol, i went lmao at that time... sHe improved talking at the last 4 months but still breaks some that u can't understand what's she saying lol...
I wanna be more sure thats its female, I'll take a few more close-ups later on but i saw like silver tips exactly where u'r pointing....
Tnks for the tip sis....
Ya, even though they are afraid of them; they do need toys; get your gal a few toys even if it is ones they just chew up and throw away. They need a certain amount of things to chew on or there beaks get overgrown.
You do not want them to start plucking either; once it becomes habit they will continue to do it. That's why they call them very neurotic birds.
That is cool they call you by names; mine does not do that yet; but he calls my dad PoPO
LOL
DAmn; dude i am sorry to hear about your cat; that had to been really hard; you not only lost her but all the babies too
I feel ya there; keeping an animal alive for purposes for yourself I find selfish; good thing you did put her down, because she had to of been suffering.
Damn; you have them birds growing up? 20 years is a long time lol
Did you have one of those 8mm reels?
Or VHS ones?
She sounds like she has a real personality; they do but I think the owner helps bring it out a lot more. SOunds like you have a very good bond with your bird.
Does your bird go to other people or growl at people when they try to come near her or you?
Ya, if you can get her to step up lift her up a bit and snap a quick pic with flash on her tail have someone give her a peanut while you lift her up a bit lol that should work
Thankfully mine has not learned any potty words; that I do not want her to learn; cause then I gotta listen to it all the time lol.
even if it is ones they just chew up and throw away. They need a certain amount of things to chew on or there beaks get overgrown.You do not want them to start plucking either; once it becomes habit they will continue to do it. That's why they call them very neurotic birds.
That is cool they call you by names; mine does not do that yet; but he calls my dad PoPO
LOL
DAmn; dude i am sorry to hear about your cat; that had to been really hard; you not only lost her but all the babies too
I feel ya there; keeping an animal alive for purposes for yourself I find selfish; good thing you did put her down, because she had to of been suffering.
Damn; you have them birds growing up? 20 years is a long time lol
Did you have one of those 8mm reels?
Or VHS ones?
She sounds like she has a real personality; they do but I think the owner helps bring it out a lot more. SOunds like you have a very good bond with your bird.
Does your bird go to other people or growl at people when they try to come near her or you?
Ya, if you can get her to step up lift her up a bit and snap a quick pic with flash on her tail have someone give her a peanut while you lift her up a bit lol that should work
Thankfully mine has not learned any potty words; that I do not want her to learn; cause then I gotta listen to it all the time lol.
Hi All !!!
HYDROPONICS:
What STRAIN are you growing? OG Kush
What was the establishing technique? (Were the seed or clone?) Clone!
What is the age of your plants? 6-28-07~~~present
What PHASE are the plants in? (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in? started flowering as of 10/28/07
What Technique are you using?Hand feed
What substrate/medium are you using?(Hydroton, RockWool etc.)6" rockwool
What is the Water temperature?70
What Nutrient's are you using? How much of each if using multiple?PBPB+LK+Pot o Gold+Carbo load+Sensizym+CalMag+Maxicrop once a week+Sweet/berry half dose+Sugar Daddy half dose+Big Bud+Top Max+ Molasses (way to much ferts)!!!???
What is the TDS/EC/PPM you are using?EC=0.8~1.4
What is the pH of the "Tank"? 5.6~5.8
Are you sure your calibration is correct on your equiptment? BlueLab PH/EC
When was your last watering?yesterday
When was your last feeding change? (ie. grow-bloom-micro-additional)put 9 smigens of Big Bud powder in the bloom mix,instead of 4 smigens by mistake!!
What size bulb are you using?No bulbs, just sunlight
What is the distance to the canopy?Infinity...........
What is your RH Factor?30~50
What is the canopy temperature?75/83
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include flucutaion range)
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)house fans
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?No / all around....
Is your water HARD or SOFT? RO
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned off of or pinched NO
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so, What and When?NO
Are plant's infected with pest'sNO
Put 1/2 gal Clearex for flush of the Big Bud overdose, it brought everything in
in a good range, but the clearex makes the plant use all ferts in the plant,
and a mild burn of the leaves......is the result!!!
Flush with a mix of RO water and Carbo Load, it seems to work!!!!1 smigen per litre of water...... Good 'ol sugar water!!!!
Have you seen a measure spoon set by Ekco (pinch/ dash/ smigen)these are
great for very small amounts of powder ferts....
Please advise if this is a good mix....thanks!!
HYDROPONICS:
What STRAIN are you growing? OG Kush
What was the establishing technique? (Were the seed or clone?) Clone!
What is the age of your plants? 6-28-07~~~present
What PHASE are the plants in? (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in? started flowering as of 10/28/07
What Technique are you using?Hand feed
What substrate/medium are you using?(Hydroton, RockWool etc.)6" rockwool
What is the Water temperature?70
What Nutrient's are you using? How much of each if using multiple?PBPB+LK+Pot o Gold+Carbo load+Sensizym+CalMag+Maxicrop once a week+Sweet/berry half dose+Sugar Daddy half dose+Big Bud+Top Max+ Molasses (way to much ferts)!!!???
What is the TDS/EC/PPM you are using?EC=0.8~1.4
What is the pH of the "Tank"? 5.6~5.8
Are you sure your calibration is correct on your equiptment? BlueLab PH/EC
When was your last watering?yesterday
When was your last feeding change? (ie. grow-bloom-micro-additional)put 9 smigens of Big Bud powder in the bloom mix,instead of 4 smigens by mistake!!
What size bulb are you using?No bulbs, just sunlight
What is the distance to the canopy?Infinity...........
What is your RH Factor?30~50
What is the canopy temperature?75/83
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include flucutaion range)
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)house fans
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?No / all around....
Is your water HARD or SOFT? RO
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned off of or pinched NO
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so, What and When?NO
Are plant's infected with pest'sNO
Put 1/2 gal Clearex for flush of the Big Bud overdose, it brought everything in
in a good range, but the clearex makes the plant use all ferts in the plant,
and a mild burn of the leaves......is the result!!!
Flush with a mix of RO water and Carbo Load, it seems to work!!!!1 smigen per litre of water...... Good 'ol sugar water!!!!
Have you seen a measure spoon set by Ekco (pinch/ dash/ smigen)these are
great for very small amounts of powder ferts....
Please advise if this is a good mix....thanks!!
PBPB+LK+Pot o Gold+Carbo load+Sensizym+CalMag+Maxicrop once a week+Sweet/berry half dose+Sugar Daddy half dose+Big Bud+Top Max+ Molasses (way to much ferts)!!!???
Need to know exact amount of each. THat is a lot of nutrients ether way....., but either
how much direct sun light are those getting? What are the temps outside.. that looks more like the leaves are bleached....... or they were stripped from when you had the issue and the leaves tissue is dead. You got serious salt buildup if those leaves are not bleached. How often do you clean your system out?
Is this affecting the top plant? Can you take a picture of the entire plant?
The last pic I see towards the bottom looks like you got magnesium issues too....
Need to know exact amount of each. THat is a lot of nutrients ether way....., but either
how much direct sun light are those getting? What are the temps outside.. that looks more like the leaves are bleached....... or they were stripped from when you had the issue and the leaves tissue is dead. You got serious salt buildup if those leaves are not bleached. How often do you clean your system out?
Is this affecting the top plant? Can you take a picture of the entire plant?
The last pic I see towards the bottom looks like you got magnesium issues too....
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GoneGrowing
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Hello ICMAG, noobie here
Hello ICMAG, noobie here
I haven't read through this whole thread, but it seems to be a gem, I have been reading alot of growjournals and threads here on ICMAG, but haven't been active here yet, I have been asking people for some help on another board, grasscity that is. I have had my eyes on your great thread on symptoms of different kinds MynameStitch, and it's really informative. The thing is I have been really worried about my grow lately, I have 5 plants under a 400 w hps, 3 hashberry and 2 white satins from mandala seeds about 4 weeks in flowering, but yellowing and stunted.
I tried to submit this post with a link to my thread on grasscity, but don't seem to be able to post links or maybe I'm doing it wrong. So I guess I'll have too see if I can put together some info of everything that has been happening lately, hmm thats a tough one. And think that I'll have to make a new post to sufficiently explain my issues with pics and such. But here is my problems explained(or tried explained)
The main issue is ferts as I mentioned, dosage and frequency. So just a little info to see if you might be able to help me before I get some pics here. The plants are in biobizz allmix soil, and I'm using biobizz biogrow and biobloom. But about two weeks in floweing I started to get yellowing on the lower leaves and bleaching/yellowing/lightgreen upperleaves. So I suspected that I might have overfertilized causing a ph-issue preventing the plants to uptake the ferts. I've been adhusting ph going into the pots since the beginning, but suspected something wasn't right and have been flushing two times since I noticed the yellowing. But haven't really been able to get my ph much dowm, and it was never that much off, max at about 7.1. So lately I have been thinking that they were never really in that much ph-lockout, but that I might just have been underfeeding them, and too add to that have flushed out the ferts the plants had acces to.
So basically I think/hope that I have my ph pretty much under control and just really need some advice on dosage and frequency of biobloom and biogrow for a bit stunted plants in 3 gallon pots with allmix under a 400 w hps about 4 weeks flowering. That was alot of text, sorry, but really hope someone here might be able to assist me, you seem to have a lot of knowledge of ferts and ph MynameStitch
I will try to fill out the form of questions if needed, please just request that, and I'll do it together with some pics. Thx alot if you can help one of many enthusiastic noobies out!
Hello ICMAG, noobie here
I haven't read through this whole thread, but it seems to be a gem, I have been reading alot of growjournals and threads here on ICMAG, but haven't been active here yet, I have been asking people for some help on another board, grasscity that is. I have had my eyes on your great thread on symptoms of different kinds MynameStitch, and it's really informative. The thing is I have been really worried about my grow lately, I have 5 plants under a 400 w hps, 3 hashberry and 2 white satins from mandala seeds about 4 weeks in flowering, but yellowing and stunted.
I tried to submit this post with a link to my thread on grasscity, but don't seem to be able to post links or maybe I'm doing it wrong. So I guess I'll have too see if I can put together some info of everything that has been happening lately, hmm thats a tough one. And think that I'll have to make a new post to sufficiently explain my issues with pics and such. But here is my problems explained(or tried explained)
The main issue is ferts as I mentioned, dosage and frequency. So just a little info to see if you might be able to help me before I get some pics here. The plants are in biobizz allmix soil, and I'm using biobizz biogrow and biobloom. But about two weeks in floweing I started to get yellowing on the lower leaves and bleaching/yellowing/lightgreen upperleaves. So I suspected that I might have overfertilized causing a ph-issue preventing the plants to uptake the ferts. I've been adhusting ph going into the pots since the beginning, but suspected something wasn't right and have been flushing two times since I noticed the yellowing. But haven't really been able to get my ph much dowm, and it was never that much off, max at about 7.1. So lately I have been thinking that they were never really in that much ph-lockout, but that I might just have been underfeeding them, and too add to that have flushed out the ferts the plants had acces to.
So basically I think/hope that I have my ph pretty much under control and just really need some advice on dosage and frequency of biobloom and biogrow for a bit stunted plants in 3 gallon pots with allmix under a 400 w hps about 4 weeks flowering. That was alot of text, sorry, but really hope someone here might be able to assist me, you seem to have a lot of knowledge of ferts and ph MynameStitch
I will try to fill out the form of questions if needed, please just request that, and I'll do it together with some pics. Thx alot if you can help one of many enthusiastic noobies out!
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G
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with my experiences, doses with biobizz product can be cut in half.
so give plants half the dose that is recommended on the bottle.
flushing never really worked for me.
there is way to much water in the soil after flushing, even though the water drains away. the total composition of the soil mix is changed...
i hope your plants will be fine.
the form would be a great point and help for us to help in adnvance.
-peaceful mind
so give plants half the dose that is recommended on the bottle.
flushing never really worked for me.
there is way to much water in the soil after flushing, even though the water drains away. the total composition of the soil mix is changed...
i hope your plants will be fine.
the form would be a great point and help for us to help in adnvance.
-peaceful mind
GoneGrowing
Active member
Thx for your fast reply peaceful_mind!
I have been trying to upload some pics, but can't get them uploaded or something as I read MynamStitch also had issues with. But thats a shame, cause the pictures really helps to explain alot imo.
But yes you're probably right pm, flushing appears to have causing a bit more underfeeding than what was the problem earlier. I'm really not planning on flushing more until the end. Therefore I really wanna get control of the dosages of fertilizer and frequencies. According to biobizz when using allmix soil one should use about 1 ml/l biogrow and 3ml/l biobloom, so when you say you have experienced it being sufficient using half dosages, did you use a combination og grow and bloom, or only one of them? and did you use soil resembling to allmix? I read a post from a user on grasscity, a user with quite an experience, that he used biobloom on full dosage and not in combination with biogrow and with eery watering. This sound like alot to me maybe, but I'm all for the idea of not using biogrow at this stage. But yes I will try to see if I can get that form filled out, hehe. But I really want to post some pics, that would definitely help explain.
But as said, thx alot for the fast reply, great to get some feedback that fast and from people with experience in using same fertilizer as one self.
I have been trying to upload some pics, but can't get them uploaded or something as I read MynamStitch also had issues with. But thats a shame, cause the pictures really helps to explain alot imo.
But yes you're probably right pm, flushing appears to have causing a bit more underfeeding than what was the problem earlier. I'm really not planning on flushing more until the end. Therefore I really wanna get control of the dosages of fertilizer and frequencies. According to biobizz when using allmix soil one should use about 1 ml/l biogrow and 3ml/l biobloom, so when you say you have experienced it being sufficient using half dosages, did you use a combination og grow and bloom, or only one of them? and did you use soil resembling to allmix? I read a post from a user on grasscity, a user with quite an experience, that he used biobloom on full dosage and not in combination with biogrow and with eery watering. This sound like alot to me maybe, but I'm all for the idea of not using biogrow at this stage. But yes I will try to see if I can get that form filled out, hehe. But I really want to post some pics, that would definitely help explain.
But as said, thx alot for the fast reply, great to get some feedback that fast and from people with experience in using same fertilizer as one self.
GoneGrowing
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Ok no pics, but atleast I can try to fill out the form to inform you of the conditions of my plants situation.
here we go
SOIL:
What STRAIN are you growing? Hashberry and white Satin
What was the establishing technique? Seed
What is the age of your plants? = 3 months, 2 months veg, 1 months flower
What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in? = Flower
What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc) = I have LST'ed my plants
What size pots are you using? = 3 gallon pots, one plant per pot
What substrate/medium are you using? (percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?) = I'm using biobizz allmix (20% sphagnum peat moss, 35% garden peat, 10% high quality organic worm manure, 30% perlite and 5% Pre-Mix)
What Nutrient's are you using?How much of each? *Knowing the brand is very helpful* = I'm using Biobizz biogrow and biobloom, latest dosage was about 1 ml/l biogrow and 1ml/l biobloom
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used? = don't know
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"? = 6.7'ish after latest reading
What method of pH test was administered? = newly calibrated ph-pen
When was your last water? = 2/3 days ago(heavy flushing)
When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding? = last feeding end of flushing, but have been very little feeding lately due to flushing and therefore no need of watering, but have fed them about 3-4 times in the last 14 days, but flushing makes this hard to rely on
What size bulb are you using? = I'm using a 400 w hps
What is the distance to the canopy? = about 35 cm (in aircooled reflector)
What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity) = about 40%
What is the canopy temperature? 26-26 Celsius
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range) not the big difference, will check when lights on
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.) 210 cfm out through carbon filter -> fan-> reflector-> out the closet,
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?= Honeywell fan at lowest speed just above plant tops
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist? = moist lately, due to flushing but not before the issues began
Is your water HARD or SOFT? = bit hard
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched? = nah..
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when? little neemoil going into the pots when flushing, because I spotted some white larves in the soil, but first long time after the defficencies showed up. Doesn't seem to be larves affecting the soil
Are plant's infected with pest's? = no pest at alll spotted on plants
Hmm, hope that helps you help me and hope I can get some pics through to you soon
here we go
SOIL:
What STRAIN are you growing? Hashberry and white Satin
What was the establishing technique? Seed
What is the age of your plants? = 3 months, 2 months veg, 1 months flower
What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in? = Flower
What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc) = I have LST'ed my plants
What size pots are you using? = 3 gallon pots, one plant per pot
What substrate/medium are you using? (percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?) = I'm using biobizz allmix (20% sphagnum peat moss, 35% garden peat, 10% high quality organic worm manure, 30% perlite and 5% Pre-Mix)
What Nutrient's are you using?How much of each? *Knowing the brand is very helpful* = I'm using Biobizz biogrow and biobloom, latest dosage was about 1 ml/l biogrow and 1ml/l biobloom
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used? = don't know
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"? = 6.7'ish after latest reading
What method of pH test was administered? = newly calibrated ph-pen
When was your last water? = 2/3 days ago(heavy flushing)
When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding? = last feeding end of flushing, but have been very little feeding lately due to flushing and therefore no need of watering, but have fed them about 3-4 times in the last 14 days, but flushing makes this hard to rely on
What size bulb are you using? = I'm using a 400 w hps
What is the distance to the canopy? = about 35 cm (in aircooled reflector)
What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity) = about 40%
What is the canopy temperature? 26-26 Celsius
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range) not the big difference, will check when lights on
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.) 210 cfm out through carbon filter -> fan-> reflector-> out the closet,
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?= Honeywell fan at lowest speed just above plant tops
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist? = moist lately, due to flushing but not before the issues began
Is your water HARD or SOFT? = bit hard
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched? = nah..
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when? little neemoil going into the pots when flushing, because I spotted some white larves in the soil, but first long time after the defficencies showed up. Doesn't seem to be larves affecting the soil
Are plant's infected with pest's? = no pest at alll spotted on plants
Hmm, hope that helps you help me and hope I can get some pics through to you soon
I started to get yellowing on the lower leaves and bleaching/yellowing/lightgreen upperleaves. So I suspected that I might have overfertilized causing a ph-issue preventing the plants to uptake the ferts. I've been adhusting ph going into the pots since the beginning, but suspected something wasn't right and have been flushing two times since I noticed the yellowing.
Normally I would say sounds like Nitrogen; but with the information you gave sounds like more......
I'm using biobizz allmix (20% sphagnum peat moss, 35% garden peat, 10% high quality organic worm manure, 30% perlite and 5% Pre-Mix
I normally would say add lime, but your ph is off.
1ml per gallon? How much of each and how often?
Your ph is off badly; your ph needs to be lower 5.5 to 6.3...... you are using a soiless mixture which means your mixture ph needs to be that of hydro; you need to bring your ph down.
Funny thing is something is causing it to rise.......
how are you testing your ph? Run off water from the bottom of the pots?
White larva in the soil could be gnats larva; they steal nutrients from the plants and disrupt the root system. I know this is not the cause but I thought you should be aware of that.....
You still have them in your soil?
What I need to know now is I need to know how much of each you were using before the flush and how often.....
when was the last flush and pictures will help.
Either way if that ph is the run off reading you will need to bring down that ph; so I will explain how to do that after you respond to my questions.
Seems like pics may be having issues again; with peeps uploading them.
Sorry was not around half the night; my kid has his birthday party and it took me hours to clean up me and his father both! My mom helped bake the cake while we got everything else setup and she frosted the cake; homemade spongebob cake!
Normally I would say sounds like Nitrogen; but with the information you gave sounds like more......
I'm using biobizz allmix (20% sphagnum peat moss, 35% garden peat, 10% high quality organic worm manure, 30% perlite and 5% Pre-Mix
I normally would say add lime, but your ph is off.
1ml per gallon? How much of each and how often?
Your ph is off badly; your ph needs to be lower 5.5 to 6.3...... you are using a soiless mixture which means your mixture ph needs to be that of hydro; you need to bring your ph down.
Funny thing is something is causing it to rise.......
how are you testing your ph? Run off water from the bottom of the pots?
White larva in the soil could be gnats larva; they steal nutrients from the plants and disrupt the root system. I know this is not the cause but I thought you should be aware of that.....
You still have them in your soil?
What I need to know now is I need to know how much of each you were using before the flush and how often.....
when was the last flush and pictures will help.
Either way if that ph is the run off reading you will need to bring down that ph; so I will explain how to do that after you respond to my questions.
Seems like pics may be having issues again; with peeps uploading them.
Sorry was not around half the night; my kid has his birthday party and it took me hours to clean up me and his father both! My mom helped bake the cake while we got everything else setup and she frosted the cake; homemade spongebob cake!
GoneGrowing
Active member
Congratulations on your kids birthday mynamestitch, hope you had a nice party, sounds like it.
Not much partying goig on im my growcabinet as you can hear.
But yes, my ph is off, it's too high, but you're right, something is causing it to rise. Cant't really get it lowered to the point I would like to, was aiming for havin the runoff at about 6.5. But when I have flushed 3xpot size or more with water regulated to a ph of 6.3-6.4 it's still almost impossible to get the runoff ph down to less than 6.7. But the soils ph is according to manufacturer 6.3-6.6, so can that might be the reason it will be hard getting it much lower than 6.7 for me? Another problem with the flushing is that I didn't have any ph-down for the bloom phase and have been using vinegar or concentrated lemon juice to adjust, and they maybe isn't too stabil and will easily allow the ph to rise? But I have gotten my hands on some phosporic ph-down for the flowering phase.
about the feeding and frequenzy, I have been using 1ml/l (equals about 4ml/gallon) through the last 1½ months of veg with every watering more or less. And then when I started flowering a month ago I started using biobloom at the same time, used it for about the first 1½ of flowering at a dosage of 1ml/ll(4ml/gallon), every watering. Then I started adding more biobloom 2ml/l (8ml/gallon) but this was done only one watering, cause then I started to notice issues and flushed a bit. After the first flush about 12 days ago the feeding have been irregular because the soil have been to moist(didn't feed them at the end of the flush) but a couple of days later i fed them once with 1ml/l of bloom and grow and then a couple days later I watered with only water. The flushing didn't realy seem to have the desired effect, tested the runoff from the pots and it was still to high, about 7.0, so 2/3 days ago I flushed again and in the end they were fed 1ml/l of both biobloom and grow and nothing has been going into the pots since then. Phew, alot of info, think I got it about right.
But you ask off how I test the ph, yes I'm letting the pots stand and drip from the bottom into clean cups and then testing the runoff with a ph-pen(calibrated before every watering/measuring almost, quite stabil readings)
About the larva in the soil, I noticed them once when flushing 2 days ago, but the roots have always looked white and healthy, I used neem oil mixed into thewater used to flush, not in big dosages, but I haven't observed more larva since then(but the larva is most visible when ther's water in the top layer of soil, and that there haven't been for the last 2-3 days)
But yes I would very much like to bring you some pics, the plants are not completely dead, they look to be vigorous, just stunted in growth and way to yellow in all the leaves almost and now the highest buds pistils on one of the five plants is starting to get brown, the buds seemed to start to get affected, not as mux´ch on the other 4 plants, but there is a little tendency on 2 more plants. I know that is normal for the pistil to get brow, but thot that much only about halfway or less into flowering I presume.
I still can't get the pics up, too bad that is.Thats alot of info again, but any help is appreciated. I really soon don't think it can be good for the roots to flush more, but what else can help me lower the ph if you think it's that off? And I really need to find a good schedule for feeding too.
EDIT: I started a thread on grasscity to get some help when the issues started andd it has a bunch of pics and info, here's a link for the thread since I can't get the pics up here thread on grasscity
Not much partying goig on im my growcabinet as you can hear.
But yes, my ph is off, it's too high, but you're right, something is causing it to rise. Cant't really get it lowered to the point I would like to, was aiming for havin the runoff at about 6.5. But when I have flushed 3xpot size or more with water regulated to a ph of 6.3-6.4 it's still almost impossible to get the runoff ph down to less than 6.7. But the soils ph is according to manufacturer 6.3-6.6, so can that might be the reason it will be hard getting it much lower than 6.7 for me? Another problem with the flushing is that I didn't have any ph-down for the bloom phase and have been using vinegar or concentrated lemon juice to adjust, and they maybe isn't too stabil and will easily allow the ph to rise? But I have gotten my hands on some phosporic ph-down for the flowering phase.
about the feeding and frequenzy, I have been using 1ml/l (equals about 4ml/gallon) through the last 1½ months of veg with every watering more or less. And then when I started flowering a month ago I started using biobloom at the same time, used it for about the first 1½ of flowering at a dosage of 1ml/ll(4ml/gallon), every watering. Then I started adding more biobloom 2ml/l (8ml/gallon) but this was done only one watering, cause then I started to notice issues and flushed a bit. After the first flush about 12 days ago the feeding have been irregular because the soil have been to moist(didn't feed them at the end of the flush) but a couple of days later i fed them once with 1ml/l of bloom and grow and then a couple days later I watered with only water. The flushing didn't realy seem to have the desired effect, tested the runoff from the pots and it was still to high, about 7.0, so 2/3 days ago I flushed again and in the end they were fed 1ml/l of both biobloom and grow and nothing has been going into the pots since then. Phew, alot of info, think I got it about right.
But you ask off how I test the ph, yes I'm letting the pots stand and drip from the bottom into clean cups and then testing the runoff with a ph-pen(calibrated before every watering/measuring almost, quite stabil readings)
About the larva in the soil, I noticed them once when flushing 2 days ago, but the roots have always looked white and healthy, I used neem oil mixed into thewater used to flush, not in big dosages, but I haven't observed more larva since then(but the larva is most visible when ther's water in the top layer of soil, and that there haven't been for the last 2-3 days)
But yes I would very much like to bring you some pics, the plants are not completely dead, they look to be vigorous, just stunted in growth and way to yellow in all the leaves almost and now the highest buds pistils on one of the five plants is starting to get brown, the buds seemed to start to get affected, not as mux´ch on the other 4 plants, but there is a little tendency on 2 more plants. I know that is normal for the pistil to get brow, but thot that much only about halfway or less into flowering I presume.
I still can't get the pics up, too bad that is.Thats alot of info again, but any help is appreciated. I really soon don't think it can be good for the roots to flush more, but what else can help me lower the ph if you think it's that off? And I really need to find a good schedule for feeding too.
EDIT: I started a thread on grasscity to get some help when the issues started andd it has a bunch of pics and info, here's a link for the thread since I can't get the pics up here thread on grasscity
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It's not going to work; unless you are watering quite often it's not going to make a final difference. WHat is in the soil is what is going to make the difference.
With hydro it would make a huge difference.
Your mixture sounds like it has lime added to it; with all the mixture you listed there is no way that mixture contains no lime added; peat is acidic like I stated which needs a buffer like lime to make the ph rise in the soil.
I checked up on your soil mixture; your ph is fine and I also checked the pictures.
How often are you watering, this is the most important one.......
You do not need to re-calibrate your meter before every watering; every 2 weeks max is when you need to re-calibrate it.
Ok, this is a first. Neem is used to spray on your plants mixing with water; you are not supposed to use it as a watering agent to my knowledge. Never heard of it being used to water your plants with. You are better off trying mosquito dunks. Do you know what those are?
Do you have any bugs flying around?
It looks to me your plants just need some nitrogen; add a little more nitrogen to them; those pics show no ph issues; just wanting some more grow.
BUT those bugs in the soil; you have to get rid of them. If they are fungus gnats they steal food from the mixture and thus rob your plants.
When was the las ttime you fed them 12 days ago?
They need a good feeding now... I would not use over 1 tsp per gallon for now, they are looking very good; just need some food.
But like I said you have to get rid of those pests.... if you can, can you get a picture of the larva that comes out with the run off?
Your feeding should be done every 7 days, you want to start out light and work your way up; but if your plants are growing fine and showing no effects do not up the dosage.
If something happens refer to the sick plants guide or make a thread ask for help; or post here for help.
Sometimes plants want more food; but want more of one nutrient and thus people tend to feed more when they see yellowing and then can cause an issue, most of the time when they feed more they burn them then they got a whole new issue going.
Not to mention when they want more it tends to be of a nutrient that is not in your feeding; which this is a big contribution to over fertilization of peoples plants.
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GoneGrowing
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Thx alot for checking up on my plants situation MynameStitch!
Really glad to hear that you think my ph is where it should be at, certainly don't wanna flush anymore, the roots didn't mind the first flushing, but didn't seem to approve much of the last flushing 2-3 days ago. So I will just continue to make certain that what goes into the pots have a ph about 6.4-6.5.
About frequency of watering, I have been watering them every 2-3 days, until I started flushing, no regularity in watering after flushing started.
And yes I know that it shouldn't be nescesssary to be calibrating my ph-pen constantly, lately it was just to make sure it was spot on, when being used to do many readings during flushing.
About the neemoil going into the soil, it was because I was advised to do this by Ganja Guerrila from grasscity, he has been trying to help me get my plants back on track, and this was his advice on how to get rid of any bugs in the soil. And no I don't know what mosquito dunks are, but I am very open to suggestions ensuring i have pestfree soil. But no, I have no bugs flying at all, I have had peststrips mounted to the walls since the beginning, and no signs of pest on them. And the larva I spotted in the soil didn't appear unless water was added (there's a pic in my thread on grasscity, but not a good one, hard to get a pic of them, very tiny white larva) but I haven't observed any coming through the runoff, only observed them once when watering/flushing and then I added the neem. So I'm not sure if there still is any bugs in the soil or not, but will definitely like to hear more of mosquito dunks if they can help me get rid of any potential pests in the soil. Don't want nobody stealing my plants food.
But it hasn't been 12 days since I fed them, when flushing 2-3 days ago I added about 1ml/l of both bloom and grow in the last water, but the roots are still ery soaked, so don't know if I should put anything into the pots until the soil have dried out some more?
But if you think I should get some ferts into the pots now and you say about 1 tsp per gallon, what do you think this should be, one tsp of both bloom and grow or only bloom or what do you think? I also have a bottle of canna terra flores I could use if you think that might be better? Or if you think I should get my hands on other fertilizer products I'm open for suggestions. You also think that they look like they need some nitrogen, but there also signs of something resembling phosphorous or molybdenum defficiency, purple in the veins of the bigger fan leaves while the leaves being yellow, and the smaller upper leaves also have a purpling to them but they're still green to(pics would defintely help describing this one) but this purpling is primarily only on one plant,the one that has the most weird flowers i the top, dying pistils, this one is very purple in the upper small and bigger leaves. So might be that my fertilizer is very low on molybdenum or phosphorous, but do you think that my fertilizers could help get rid of this too? But you only think they should be fed once a week, do you think I should be watering themtwice a week and only feed every second watering then?
So I'll try to get them some more food, haven't seen any signs of burn really, so more fertilizer will hopefully help if my ph is ok and if I get rid of any potential bugs in the soil.
Thanks alot for helping me out, really think you can get help me get my plants on a better path than they're right now
Really glad to hear that you think my ph is where it should be at, certainly don't wanna flush anymore, the roots didn't mind the first flushing, but didn't seem to approve much of the last flushing 2-3 days ago. So I will just continue to make certain that what goes into the pots have a ph about 6.4-6.5.
About frequency of watering, I have been watering them every 2-3 days, until I started flushing, no regularity in watering after flushing started.
And yes I know that it shouldn't be nescesssary to be calibrating my ph-pen constantly, lately it was just to make sure it was spot on, when being used to do many readings during flushing.
About the neemoil going into the soil, it was because I was advised to do this by Ganja Guerrila from grasscity, he has been trying to help me get my plants back on track, and this was his advice on how to get rid of any bugs in the soil. And no I don't know what mosquito dunks are, but I am very open to suggestions ensuring i have pestfree soil. But no, I have no bugs flying at all, I have had peststrips mounted to the walls since the beginning, and no signs of pest on them. And the larva I spotted in the soil didn't appear unless water was added (there's a pic in my thread on grasscity, but not a good one, hard to get a pic of them, very tiny white larva) but I haven't observed any coming through the runoff, only observed them once when watering/flushing and then I added the neem. So I'm not sure if there still is any bugs in the soil or not, but will definitely like to hear more of mosquito dunks if they can help me get rid of any potential pests in the soil. Don't want nobody stealing my plants food.
But it hasn't been 12 days since I fed them, when flushing 2-3 days ago I added about 1ml/l of both bloom and grow in the last water, but the roots are still ery soaked, so don't know if I should put anything into the pots until the soil have dried out some more?
But if you think I should get some ferts into the pots now and you say about 1 tsp per gallon, what do you think this should be, one tsp of both bloom and grow or only bloom or what do you think? I also have a bottle of canna terra flores I could use if you think that might be better? Or if you think I should get my hands on other fertilizer products I'm open for suggestions. You also think that they look like they need some nitrogen, but there also signs of something resembling phosphorous or molybdenum defficiency, purple in the veins of the bigger fan leaves while the leaves being yellow, and the smaller upper leaves also have a purpling to them but they're still green to(pics would defintely help describing this one) but this purpling is primarily only on one plant,the one that has the most weird flowers i the top, dying pistils, this one is very purple in the upper small and bigger leaves. So might be that my fertilizer is very low on molybdenum or phosphorous, but do you think that my fertilizers could help get rid of this too? But you only think they should be fed once a week, do you think I should be watering themtwice a week and only feed every second watering then?
So I'll try to get them some more food, haven't seen any signs of burn really, so more fertilizer will hopefully help if my ph is ok and if I get rid of any potential bugs in the soil.
Thanks alot for helping me out, really think you can get help me get my plants on a better path than they're right now
Ok first off, mosquito dunks are little circle things that look like donuts they kill a variaty of things and even fungus gnats. I will have to check out your picture you took of the larva;
Have any pests in the soil is NOT good.
Another thing; I would feed them every 5 to 7 days every 2 to 3 days is to much which I can see why you flushed them.
Wait until the soil drys out a bit before you feed them; you do not want to soak them more with nutrients because some nutrients will not be absorbed right due to the soil being so soggy.
Canna nutrients you can listen to the directions on the back they are pretty much correct when it comes to dosage; it's made for cannabis pretty much anyways.
I would add both grow and bloom, but if you add canna vega F and something else make sure you are not doubling up on the bloom check the NPK of the other brand you are using.
molybednum is a very very rare deficiency; the most rare of them all; I have only seen 2 cases in years; so it would be a rare shot that you had it; you are more likely to get P deficiency..... with you flushing so much I am sure you have one; the more you flush the more you rinse the soil of the nutrients.
You have a picture of the affected area with this issue?
First time I ever heard someone say use neem oil in the soil.... it's supposed to be ONLY used as a foliar agent to deterrent and kill off pests.
We will get your plants on track; this issue is pretty simple you were just feeding to much to begin with, which you fixed.. but the bug issue has to go no matter what; pests are the name they are; they cause all kinds of problems with a grow; you want to get rid of them from the start you see them.
Have any pests in the soil is NOT good.
Another thing; I would feed them every 5 to 7 days every 2 to 3 days is to much which I can see why you flushed them.
Wait until the soil drys out a bit before you feed them; you do not want to soak them more with nutrients because some nutrients will not be absorbed right due to the soil being so soggy.
Canna nutrients you can listen to the directions on the back they are pretty much correct when it comes to dosage; it's made for cannabis pretty much anyways.
I would add both grow and bloom, but if you add canna vega F and something else make sure you are not doubling up on the bloom check the NPK of the other brand you are using.
molybednum is a very very rare deficiency; the most rare of them all; I have only seen 2 cases in years; so it would be a rare shot that you had it; you are more likely to get P deficiency..... with you flushing so much I am sure you have one; the more you flush the more you rinse the soil of the nutrients.
You have a picture of the affected area with this issue?
First time I ever heard someone say use neem oil in the soil.... it's supposed to be ONLY used as a foliar agent to deterrent and kill off pests.
We will get your plants on track; this issue is pretty simple you were just feeding to much to begin with, which you fixed.. but the bug issue has to go no matter what; pests are the name they are; they cause all kinds of problems with a grow; you want to get rid of them from the start you see them.
GoneGrowing
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Hey again MynameStitch
a googling showed me the mosquito dunks you're talking about, I'm located in europe and haven't so far been able to find any around here, and not any online possibilities so far, but will try to have a look in my local plantshops. Another product to fight the potential fungus gnats I've found is this product, so don't you think this might do the trick? would definitely prefer the mosquito dunks you advice, but this product I can get quite fast, but will keep looking for the mosquito dunks.
So yes I'll wait to the soil is less soggy and give them a good feeding, a mix of both grow and bloom fertilizer. I have both grow and bloom from Canna Terra series so might use this as it will probably be fater absorbed than Biobizz's grow and bloom, because organic nutrients is absorbed slowlier right? So if I use Canna my staring plants will probably absorbe the nutrients faster right?
And you're right, the mentioned plants defficiencies probably isn't molybdenum, the reason I mentioned this is the purpling, but you're right, probably more resemling a phosphor defficiency. So by adding nutrients and using phosphorius based ph-down, this will hopefully have the desired positive effect.
So I'll listen to your wise advices and put no more neem into the soil, only did so cause adviced to do so, I have in my short growing time also only heard of neem being used as a foliar agent, so no more neem in the soil. But the only pic I have of the bugs was from the only time I observed them, still haven't seen any more of them. But wooohooo, I can get my pics in here, So here follows a series of pics from the start of the slight defficiencies to the most recents situation, same as on the thread on grasscity and a few new ones, also the pic of the bugs from the top of the soil, but its very hard to see them in a whole, just tiny white bugs.
So yeah I'm looking forward to getting my plants back on track with your help, really comforting to hear that I'm not that far way from getting them back on track. Getting rid of the potential bugs, less frequently watering and more balanced feeding and hopefully they'll explode
EDIT: And I was wondering if maybe I should add some hydrogen peroxide next feeding/watering, wouldn't that be good to the soggy roots or am I misinformed?
a googling showed me the mosquito dunks you're talking about, I'm located in europe and haven't so far been able to find any around here, and not any online possibilities so far, but will try to have a look in my local plantshops. Another product to fight the potential fungus gnats I've found is this product, so don't you think this might do the trick? would definitely prefer the mosquito dunks you advice, but this product I can get quite fast, but will keep looking for the mosquito dunks.
So yes I'll wait to the soil is less soggy and give them a good feeding, a mix of both grow and bloom fertilizer. I have both grow and bloom from Canna Terra series so might use this as it will probably be fater absorbed than Biobizz's grow and bloom, because organic nutrients is absorbed slowlier right? So if I use Canna my staring plants will probably absorbe the nutrients faster right?
And you're right, the mentioned plants defficiencies probably isn't molybdenum, the reason I mentioned this is the purpling, but you're right, probably more resemling a phosphor defficiency. So by adding nutrients and using phosphorius based ph-down, this will hopefully have the desired positive effect.
So I'll listen to your wise advices and put no more neem into the soil, only did so cause adviced to do so, I have in my short growing time also only heard of neem being used as a foliar agent, so no more neem in the soil. But the only pic I have of the bugs was from the only time I observed them, still haven't seen any more of them. But wooohooo, I can get my pics in here, So here follows a series of pics from the start of the slight defficiencies to the most recents situation, same as on the thread on grasscity and a few new ones, also the pic of the bugs from the top of the soil, but its very hard to see them in a whole, just tiny white bugs.
So yeah I'm looking forward to getting my plants back on track with your help, really comforting to hear that I'm not that far way from getting them back on track. Getting rid of the potential bugs, less frequently watering and more balanced feeding and hopefully they'll explode
EDIT: And I was wondering if maybe I should add some hydrogen peroxide next feeding/watering, wouldn't that be good to the soggy roots or am I misinformed?
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