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[MynameStitch]

So yes I'll wait to the soil is less soggy and give them a good feeding, a mix of both grow and bloom fertilizer. I have both grow and bloom from Canna Terra series so might use this as it will probably be fater absorbed than Biobizz's grow and bloom, because organic nutrients is absorbed slowlier right? So if I use Canna my staring plants will probably absorbe the nutrients faster right?


Yes, depending on the organic nutrient is how fast it is absorbed; most organics are absorbed at medium to long.
Canna is more faster acting like you stated.

The coloring you are speaking of is a color strain that changes color; the purple.....you can't do anything about that; it's very pretty most people love color changing strains it makes the plant look more beautiful


h202 mixed with water is fine to use if you like, will help aeriate the soil and kill off some bacteria in the soil.

As for the bugs; I have no idea what they are; I had them little bastards in my mixture and they only came out after a watering. Do they climb up out of the soil and onto the rim of the pot too?

They did not do damage to my plant but I looked all over clear and wide and could not find a match to what those things are. So what I would do is when they got up on the rim of the plant after a watering I Would have the shopvac waiting for them punks and suck them up when they got on the rim of the pot; I never sucked them out of the soil, because it would damage the roots; would suck the soil and roots up with it.

At the time I did not know about mosquito dunks. I will have to find out what other products you can use now that you are in europe.
If I were you I would use something that is NOT chemical but try to stay organic as possible.

You do not have much time left to flower it looks like, I would feed them normally and then flush a week or 2 before harvest.

 

[Guest]

High, Stitchy
I haven't been on the ICMag much since registering after the Overgrow crash (spending my little online time in a much quiter place), so I still can't PM here. But I want to say hallo, well, I mean special hallo to you, long time no see etc., for the old times sake (and I am scared like hell you barely remember me )..

Anyway, this adds up to my post count, and as soon as I am allowed to I'll PM you. I even have almost 2 years old funny/stitchy pic for ya

W.

 

[MynameStitch]

yup I sure do remember you wolvern; seriously bro; it's great to see ya man. I was wondering where you went

Yes, defiantly send me a pm when your post count gets up to 50; I would like to see the pic you are talking about!
Ya, that crash over at OG really did the community in good..... I wish it did not go down that way; we all scattered all over the net and was split up badly.

So how you been doing? Things going good for ya? You got a growing now?

 

[GoneGrowing]

Hey again!

Well ok, I would have liked to keep it organic all the way through, but since they really need some food I'll give them a watering with Canna Terra Flores mixed at about full strength in a day or two, whenever the soil dries suffceintly to receive some water/nutrients and I'll a bit of hydrogen peroxide to the mix to. That ought to be good for them.

About the plant that is really purpling, I think it's really beautiful too, might be a pheno, just never seen that on any pics of a hashberry, and still think that it's somehow caused by a deffiency of some kind, because that plants also has the largest number of brown pistils compared to my other 4 plants, but anyway I'll see what happens. Look at these 2 pics for comparison, taken 1 day apart, alot more brown pistils on the purple one. And as far as I understand the purple could be lack of phosphor and that is very possible due to the waterlogged soil and all the flushing, blabla, I'll just have to see, beautiful it is






About the bugs, not glad to hear that you have had them too, but glad to hear that they didn't do any damage. But still haven't observed more of them, and the one time I saw them I didn't really notice them climbing up the side of the pot, but swan around alot, didn't seem to like the water, or maybe they just like to swim, who knows. But I would appreciate if you find out about any other anti-soil-bug-thingy available in europe, but I will not put anything chemical into the pots, will see if I spot them again and report back if I do.

And no I'm not that far away from the end of flowering, they have been flowering for about 40 days and their flowering period is 60-65 days, so no, not that long way to go. I will feed them normally from now on and hope they keep looking good, they are looking better and better and the roots seem to be geting better.

So I managed to stunt them in the time where I really didn't want to, but hope I'll end up with some decent buds, I expect I'll have a far smaller yield than if I hadn't stunted them, but as long as it goes smooth from here on I hope it will be some sweet tasting potent bud still, yield is less important, and you've helped me alot in thinking that this will be possible, so a very big thank you for all your support and interest MynameStitch.

 

[MynameStitch]

Dude you will end up with some very good smoke, guarantee

You do have a color changer; you can go ahead and add some nitrogen and bloom if you like. Flushing does cause all kinds of nutrients to go down the drain. Phosphorus is locked out in colder temps and pH issues; it's rare to see a P deficiency when it involved lack of nutrients; but in your case you have been flushing so that was where it would come from. What are your night time temps like? Is it colder at night?

I will ask around for ya; I know a few buddies from Europe. I can ask them see what stuff you can have to choose from.

 

[GoneGrowing]

Hey again!

A good smoke guarantee from you MynameStitch, damn now I'm a happy man

And as far as my color changing one, I too am one of those many that think it's really beautiful with some colors in the flowers, so I'm not trying to prevent this from happening, just want to make sure the plants have what they need. So I'm gonna give them some bloom, today I think they will be ready for a watering, but according to canna they should only receive a dose of flowering nutrient, not a dose of their veg nutrients in this stage, but I don't know If maybe I'll also add just a bit of their veg nutrients because of all my flushing having washed out so much. But yes I have a bit colder night temperatures, the lowest reading in my closet at night is 65 F, and at the daytime its around 76 But that isn't low enough to cause serious issues is it?

But thanks alot for wanting to ask around for some effective good soilbugkiller amongst your buddies in europe. Know I've said it a few times, but it can't be said enough, youre really fantastic in your support to us experiencing issues during growing, a real gem for the community.

 

[MynameStitch]

Considering you have around 25 days left of flowering I would give them a shot of nitrogen; you flushed a bit early with the nutrient thing you had going.... so premature flushed caused worse yellowing. So go ahead and give them a bit of veg with your bloom.

Do not use the dosage on the back though use 1/2 what they recommend; only in this case; because canna dosage is correct, but in this case you are not in veg so you want to use 1/2

use like 1 tsp per gallon of water.

You are right on the mark of the lowest temp; having lower temps causes slower feeding and transpiration and smaller yields.

I would not go below 65
Hey I try to be as helpful as I can be
Thank you very much for your kind words

 

[GoneGrowing]

Hello Hello

Yes cool, I'll give them half a dosage of canna terra vega and a full dosage of canna terra flores, a bit of h202 and see what happes. lol, now we been corresponding so much about what they need and still I haven't given them any water/nutrients yet, but tomorrow is the big day, finally they'll be sufficiently dry to receive some water and nutrients. And yes I know that my night temps are a bit too low, but don't know the average temp at night, that was the minimum measured by my thermometer, but don't know when that was measured. But will monitor the nighttemps more, the daytime temps are in a good range for sure. So hopefully I'll soon return with some pics of my plants getting better and better and bigger and bigger. Be good

 

[MynameStitch]

You can get a digital meter with probes; you can tell the temps inside and outside of the grow room. I had one with mine works wonders

That's good; now lets see them start to get some nice food in them
watch and see what a difference it makes when they get a steady source and just the right amount.

 

[GoneGrowing]

Hey MynameStitch!

Yes I know about those digital thermometers, I do have a combined digital thermometer and hygrometer which also has memory of min and max, but it just has to be inside. So yes one like yours would be better, but there’s nothing wrong with this one, just had to get it reset because I didn't know when that reading of 65 F was from, has never been reset during this grow, will just have to do this more often to keep things properly monitored.

WARNING, WARNING: TEXT MATERIAL CONTAINS A LOT OF REFLECTIONS ON WHAT TO DO BETTER FOR A NEWBIE LIKE ME TO BE A BETTER GROWER.

So yes, today there was a bunch of mixing. I used bottled water this time, to make sure it was as pure as possible instead of my tap water(don't know much about the content of my tap water other than it's ph is relatively high.6). Added 1 tsp/gallon of canna vega and just about the recommended dosage of 4 tsp/gallon of canna flores and 0.5 tsp/gallon of 10% H202. No ph-down was then needed as the final ph of this solution was 6.2, I know this might be a bit low ph, but haven't got any ph-up, and didn't want to use baking powder as a substitute. So considering that the soils ph might have been a bit high, I hope that this will be ok.
A total of almost 2 gallons of water was mixed and distributed to the 5 plants. I let them runoff al that they could, to net let them have too much water in the pots.
The runoff water that I could get a hold of was measured at a ph of 6.47-6.50 from 4 of the plants, and the last one had a runoff ph at 6.66(devilish). I know that these reading might not be that representative since they wasn't watered that heavily, but still it's the best(lowest) reading I've had so far.

Bugs. In one of the pots I spotted like 2 of the little white thingies and wasn't really able to spot them in the other pots, well there was maybe 1 bug in one of the other pots. But they seem to have significantly decreased in numbers. Good thing. Don't know if the neem oil going into the pots might have had an effect.

So wooohoo, finally a feeding occurred. Haven't got my cam at home right now, but hope I'll soon be able to get some pics of my plants getting better and better, no big difference to show for now anyways.

But I hope the ph-readings expresses that I have gotten a better ph in the soil, and that they will be able to absorb the nutrients better now.

I'm just a first timer indoors, well obviously But I'm trying to get better at this wonderful world of growing weed indoors. So I'm trying to learn from my mistakes so that I can improve on these in the future. And today I was more closely reading on Mike from mandala seeds guide on how to fertilize wisely, have read it before since it's his plants I'm growing, but apparently not read them closely enough. I'm trying to get a hold of where my mistakes in this grow has been. And when reading closer in his guide, and probably also elsewhere on here, I can see where I might have been wrong, EC levels is definitely an issue I need to be more aware of, not only rely on when only adding 50% nutrients and ph-regulated and everything will be good.

Everything going into the pots have been ph-regulated from the beginning, but in the beginning only to a ph around 6.6-6-7, which I realize might be wise keeping a bit lower, well depends on growing medium I guess. And I have never fertilized heavily I thought, so didn't quite realize how I could end up having a ph issue. But today I focused more on MandalaMikes advices on EC levels and realized how heavily fertilized my biobizz allmix soil is, it has an EC of 2.4 which must be considered as high (actually MandalaMike mentioned my soil mix in his guide as being almost toxic). So this will probably explain how I by not fertilizing extremely much still ended up with a ph-lockout and a need to flush a lot, salt buildup due to the high EC-level in my soil mix and probably also a relatively high EC in my tap water.

So guess lesson learned, EC-meter ordered today and will get a hold of a brit-filter for my tap water if its EC-levels are too high or mix with bottled water. And I think that I'll have a problem using allmix in the future, high EC-level of 2.4 and a ph of 6.2-6.6 I guess is a hard thing to control and will require too much flushing during ones grow. Not that much quality potting soil available here the easiest to get a hold of is BioBizz's products, so for the next grow around I'm considering Biobizz Light Mix, which only have an EC of 1.2 and a lower ph of 6.1-6.3, think that will be better/good? Not as fertilized soil and an ec-meter will hopefully be better for the next run. But do you think that I'll maybe reach to have another ph-lockout in this go-around or do you think that it's possible that I’ve gotten my soil mix EC-level down to a much more acceptable level with all the flushing?

Hope you haven't fallen asleep if you decided to dare trying to get through all that text. I'm really not too good at narrowing the writing down to the most essential, but primarily I'm just sharing my experience and what I've learned so far, if theres anybody who can stay awake through the massive amount of newbie speculations I'd have to say well done

 

[MynameStitch]

Hey gone; I will get to yours next; I just reazied you posted back here and I answered all the other posts; so give me a bit and I will be back to answer your post; I gotta get dinner going so I will be back I read everything someone posts so I will read it all

 

[GoneGrowing]

Hey MynameStitch, it's cool that you read and answers all post, I've been grateful for that. My last post was primarily just my views on what to do better in the next run, not much for you to answer, just me trying to say"I'm learning". I think it looks like its going better, seeing more healthier buds/pistils appearing I think, may just be my imagination, but I'm definitely positive on the time to come, so everythings good so far, have a nice one!

 

[MynameStitch]

The runoff water that I could get a hold of was measured at a ph of 6.47-6.50 from 4 of the plants, and the last one had a runoff ph at 6.66(devilish)

Freaky man!

So wooohoo, finally a feeding occurred. Haven't got my cam at home right now, but hope I'll soon be able to get some pics of my plants getting better and better, no big difference to show for now anyways.

Ya, I would really like to see some recent pics of them

'm just a first timer indoors, well obviously But I'm trying to get better at this wonderful world of growing weed indoors

I find that when you do a lot of reading and join in on grow diary discussions you learn a lot more very quickly as long as the information you are reading is accurate

I can see where I might have been wrong, EC levels is definitely an issue I need to be more aware of, not only rely on when only adding 50% nutrients and ph-regulated and everything will be good.

THere ya go! You said it!!! OMG First time I ever heard a new grower say it!

Ya follow that advice you CAN't go wrong; unless you are adding to less of nutrients

So guess lesson learned, EC-meter ordered today and will get a hold of a brit-filter for my tap water if its EC-levels are too high or mix with bottled water.

Ya that would be a better idea for a filter; as long as you do not have a water softner at home then you would have to by pass it to one of the tap's or get bottled water but ensuring it contains no sodium; I have seen a lot of peeps want to do good with there plants but end up having issues, because there is minerals added to them like sodium and other stuff for taste companies add to the water.

And I think that I'll have a problem using allmix in the future, high EC-level of 2.4 and a ph of 6.2-6.6 I guess is a hard thing to control and will require too much flushing during ones grow.

Oh god ya that is high for soil man; hell that is high for hydro unless you are growing some serious trees!

I'm considering Biobizz Light Mix, which only have an EC of 1.2 and a lower ph of 6.1-6.3, think that will be better/good?

You always want to go by the size of the plant when regarding how much nutrients to feed; more root system, bigger the plant the more you can feed.
I am sure you realize now that it's best to start out small and increase as you go along.
For seedlings I have always used miracle grow seed starter mixture; it gets the plants started in the perfect mixture; I have tried a ton of soils and MG seed starter mixture is the best imo.

It's not to rich but I Have grown about 10 strains in it and all had the same results perfect green.

After 2 weeks I transplant into better soil though.
With that soil there is no feeding or ph adjusting just plant and grow.
If the biobizz mixture is light like for seedlings and seed starter you can use that.

Hope you haven't fallen asleep if you decided to dare trying to get through all that text. I'm really not too good at narrowing the writing down to the most essential, but primarily I'm just sharing my experience and what I've learned so far, if theres anybody who can stay awake through the massive amount of newbie speculations I'd have to say well done

Hell no! I read through everyones post weather it's long or not!
Sorry I did not get back to you; I had a friend come over late and they stayed till about 1 am. They do not know about all this and nor do I want them too; I pretty much knew them my whole life she used to baby sit me when I was a kid and lived next door to me when I was first born. ANyways I couldn't get to it in time; not to mention the little "kids" were still awake playing mario galaxy and had to rush them off to bed; if you realize what a 9 year old and an 8 year old cousin do at 1 am at night when they are given a Wii to play at there dispense? You won't be getting it back

I devote a huge amount of my time to help out new growers I come back and check many times throughout the day for new posts, besides the fact I am on the computer a lot cause I work with computers and such anyways.

SO I make sure I read them; though sometimes I get confused and I confuse the person; I still try to make things right down to the end

 

[GoneGrowing]

Hey there again!
Yes to get some pics up would be good, have gotten my cam back, but now there's again complications uploading pics here, but will get some up when it becomes posible again.

I believe you're right that one can learn alot from joining in on a grow diary disscussion, but think it might be nice to have a sort of succesfull grow before you can positively contribute to other growers grow diary, but getting more active on the forums is definitely my intention, especially here on ICMAG, it's a nice place me thinks.

50% nutrients only in the last feeding would probably still not be enough food to my plants so there you go, rule dismissed, naah I know it might be enough and definitely a good rule to make sure you don't overfertilize, but an ec-meter I think I'll appreciate having in the future.

Bottled water, ohh no, the bottled water that I used did contain sodium at an concentration of around 15mg/l and a bunch of other minerals. So guess this option is dumped, I had intended using bottled water throughout the rest of the grow, but that idea is hereby dumped. Will go back to use water that has been resting 24-48 hours, and I'll try to go downtown and see if I can find me a filter for my tapwater. Could the amount of bottled water I used have had a very critical impact on the plants, or can I relax as long as I don't use this in the future you think?

And yeah my soils EC is very high, that and its ph, seem that I'll be struggling with nutrients using this soil, so I'm gonna look elsewhere for some quality potting soil. Didn't have any problems with the soil used to start the seedlings in, so that soil will say. But as I stated I'm in europe, haven't heard of any MG around here, but don't think I'll have a problem finding better soil, either I'll use the biobizz light mix soil or I'll find some regular local soil which local growers have found to be quite ok, with relatively low ph and slightly fertilized.

So thanks for good input again MynameStitch, you shouldn't be apoligizing for having guest and taking care of your kid. I believe it's a good thing to keep as little an amount of people aware of ones growing and discussing growing, sometimes I wish my mom didn't know that I'm growing in my closet, lol everytime I talk to my mom on the phone or if she's visiting she has to check up on the plants and hear/see how they're doing, she think it's a beautiful plant and don't mind me having them. Even my halfsister whos eight my mom encourages to show interest in the plants, lol, except she only tells her they're tomato plants, and of course my halfsister thinks she has a crazy halfbrother who grows tomatoes in his closet, I'll soon have to visit my mon and my halfsister with a big bowl of tomatoes and say, see aren't my closets tomatoes nice. And when my grandparents visited me lately my grandfather noticed my little bucket of clones and said what't that, I just replied that it was a small experimental greenhouse, and right away my grandmother said, "are they hashplants?, I knew it" lol, well had to say yes, but didn't feel a need to show them the bigger closet, then she might think, hmm thats crazy.

But yeah I know how 8-9 years old kids react to different game consoles, hard to get in contact with them, most get completely absorbed by it, but well it isn't only kids So really no need to apologize for not replying right away, its apparent for us new growers that you devote a whole lot of time of your time to helping us and yeah I can see how it can sometimes be a challenge to instruct properly on all sorts of newbie questions, but you do a great job.

 

[MynameStitch]

Could the amount of bottled water I used have had a very critical impact on the plants, or can I relax as long as I don't use this in the future you think?

Oh yes, most defenetly. I have seen many cases; actually I am helping a guy out right now that was using ph down from the store, it was like liquid RO stuff; it would remove the calcium and magnesium from the water; he started having issues and now his plants are spotting.

I also had a grow that had sodium in the water; though it affected random strains which makes perfect sense....... It does some serious damage when the plants store it in there system and thus there leaves; it breaks down the water uptake system in the plant and thus the way it absorbs nutrients. Smaller plants when affected in larger amounts just get stunted and do not recover from it; they just sit there in soil and barely uptake water; it's like there whole system comes to a halt, then later down the road they just yellow and die up slowly; very slowly.

I will have to show ya the pic in my gallery of it.

50% nutrients only in the last feeding would probably still not be enough food to my plants so there you go, rule

I am not talking about 50% less nutrients from your perspective; I was talking about 50% less what it says on the bottle.


Just be careful what you say on your phone; the government is always listening! Talk code or something, or be safe and talk about it in person.
Be careful an 8 year old has a very big mouth; just be very cautious man..... unless you are allowed to grow and have like a med card or something.....

The more people that know about your grow the more the risk; please be careful. I had one friend know about my grow and he was the one that got me growing; he ****ing narced me out to the police and they came in my house with a ****ed up warrant; they had NO ****ing evidence nothing, cause I Was not dealing all they had was his testimony.

So please be careful.

 

[GoneGrowing]

Hey!

It sometimes seems one can't do nothing right, lol, I know that most rookies mistakes are made when they try to be good to their plants, lots of nutrients causing overfertilizing, but didn't know that bottled water could be that bad, oh well, I'm certainly done using it and will get me a filter as mentinoned because I'm really not sure how good my tapwater is. My plants seem to have absorbed their last feed well, haven't seem that much of a change yet, but well at least they seem to be uptaking the water well, they're soon ready for a new watering.

No I know you weren't talking about my situation, message understood

And yes I try to be careful on the phone, big brothers always there. And yes I know how big a mouth an eight year old has, and I really wasn't pleased when my mother mentioned it to my little sister, but you know it's hard to try lecturing you mother in what she tells my halfsister, not really my place to tell her what to say. I'm just hoping that my sister didn't care much for the plants, and I don't think that she does, but you never know what an eight year old might say to impress friends and so on, but can't do much more than keep my operation as non-mentioned as possible. And yes, I'm trying to be careful, almost to the degree of paranoia because I allready think too many people know about it, I'm only growing for myself, no selling EVER. I read what happened to you, truly sorry for you, very unpleasant situation you ended up in, very much sounds like complete retarded abuse of power, my condolences. So I really respect your advice on being quiet about this, but let's see if there at all will be any harvest for them bastards to bust me for.

 

[MynameStitch]

It takes a bit for soil to notice any changes; up to 3 to 5 days for the full effect......
Ya, the less peeps know about your grow the better; cause if you are only growing for yourself and you yourself only know about it there is no way you are going to get busted when you keep it small..... it's nearly impossible unless they get a warrant into your home for some other reason. Or you got smell going on.

Ya, but I just thought I would tell you about that since it's critical in not letting peeps know; hell I had a friend I knew him for 5 years and I never thought he would do that and he was a good friend of mine.

So there is always that chance they turn there backs on you; when you are growing it's a perfect time to get back at you... so just one grower to another letting you know how critical it is in being secret.

 

[GoneGrowing]

Hey, yeah I wasn't expecting to see crazy explosive growth, as long as I don't think they're getting worse, and I don't think thats the case. So now I'm just hoping that the bottled water going into the pots didn't have a really negative effect. Couldn't find any water filter downtown, but have ordered some online, really want to get my water as good as possible to not screw up my pots ph if it has gotten better. So the soon coming watering will just be tapwater that have been evaporating about 24 hours and ph-regulated.

Sadly, but true due to ignorant laws concerning mj, the most optimal condition for growing indoor at home is if no one knows about it, but it's hard keeping it completely unknown. But i definitely respect that you emphasize the importance of keeping ones grow secret, suddenly people can turn their backs on one, and a grow is a good opportunity for this. The legislation here concerning mj isn't that tough if you aren't selling, but still the worst punishment would be not to be able to grow in the future imo, those damn abusive authorities in some cases.

And BTW, someone has sent me a PM, so if the one who has send me a PM reads this, I cant't answer and reply to this as my post count isn't yet high enough for me to have PM privilegies

 

[GoneGrowing]

Hey again. So watered today. The water had been evaporating for 24 hours and added phosphorous ph-down from advanced hydroponics til a ph of 6.45, the runoff water collected had a ph about 6.6 this time, except for the purple one, it had a runoff ph of 6.8. But ok ph-values I guess. BUT those damn bugs of some kind, they're definitley still there, also saw them in the runoff, so if you've heard anything about any good products for killing the bugs in soil available in europe, I'm still very interested in hearing about these MynameStitch. Still don't see much change in there. But still not looking worse. But I'm still suspecting those bugs for having some kind of effect on my soil and the plants availabilty of nutrients.

 

[MynameStitch]

Werid thing is I do not know what they are cause I had the same bugs...... I have not gotten a pm back from a few friends ;they have not been on it looks like cause they have not yet read my pm.

I will see what I can do, I have been looking for it but it's like nearly impossible to find, because I have NO idea where to start..... I am sure any ole safe bug killer should kill them they seem like a type of aphid though is the weird part......