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[Snook]

Napa in Canada sell this instead of 8822:

https://www.obroilandmarine.com/product/20/628N/MERCATOR-QUALISORB-FLOOR-DRY-20LB

Anybody know if its the same?

The msds for both

https://s3.amazonaws.com/tai-epmine.../262/original/US_GHS_-_628N_DE.pdf?1486505572

http://s7d9.scene7.com/is/content/GenuinePartsCompany/1814125pdf?$PDF$

If you go to NAPA in Florida and ask for 8822, some WILL try to pass off 'other' brands of oil sorbent as NAPA 8822, cheaper for them to buy, better profit margin.. go to another NAPA dealer..

 

[icdog]

Hey d9 when you use the 50/50 turface perlite mix do you fill the tail pieces with perlite only or the 2 mixed up?

 

[delta9nxs]

Hey d9 when you use the 50/50 turface perlite mix do you fill the tail pieces with perlite only or the 2 mixed up?

xlp perlite only. since starting this we have had no failures to drain. 14-15 weeks in the container total. filled with roots.

 

[zeke99]

Hi D9,

The goodyear hose is simply shoved into a hole (drill with a 13/16" step bit) into the volume tank?

And regarding your pumps, you are using one pump for each plant and the flexible 1/2" poly tubing?

Do you happen to know off hand if that flexible tubing will fit on the outlet of a magpump 500?


edit: apologies, as I see these questions have already been answered earlier in the thread. In my notes, I was conflating two of your responses, hence the confusion. TY D9, I hate to waste your time.

 

[icdog]

Ok so xlp perlite only in the tailpieces and then a 50/50 turface mvp/perlite mix in the bucket.

How do you prepare the tufrace perlite mix? I was mixing some in a bucket and the perlite just floated to the top and the turface sank to the bottom

Edit D9 I just read one of your previous posts about cleaning and then mixing the turface and perlite that makes sense. I'm wondering though does the perlite float up during a pulse or does it all stay mixed somehow.

 

[newguy41410]

Hi D9,

The goodyear hose is simply shoved into a hole (drill with a 13/16" step bit) into the volume tank?

And regarding your pumps, you are using one pump for each plant and the flexible 1/2" poly tubing?

Do you happen to know off hand if that flexible tubing will fit on the outlet of a magpump 500?

the hose is shoved into the hole that you drilled with the step bit. cut the end of the hose at an angle so that it is pointy so you can stick it through the hole and grab it from the other side with pliers to pull through. should be a tight fit and it wont leak.

he uses a pump for each ppk site, yes. i believe he uses black 1/2" vinyl tubing. not poly tubing i believe poly tubing is hard as plastic. my eco pumps have differnt sized fittings to accept various sizes of hose i imagine magpumps are the same.

Ok so xlp perlite only in the tailpieces and then a 50/50 turface mvp/perlite mix in the bucket.

How do you prepare the tufrace perlite mix? I was mixing some in a bucket and the perlite just floated to the top and the turface sank to the bottom

Edit D9 I just read one of your previous posts about cleaning and then mixing the turface and perlite that makes sense. I'm wondering though does the perlite float up during a pulse or does it all stay mixed somehow.

perlite does not float to the top during feeding. to wash my perlite i threw perlite in a tub and filled enough water to allow the perlite to be buoyant. the perlite dust falls to the bottom while the good perlite chunks with air in it will float. just scoop up the perlite from the top of the water. i would rinse the turface separate from perlite

 

[Bobbo4200]

 

[zeke99]

the hose is shoved into the hole that you drilled with the step bit. cut the end of the hose at an angle so that it is pointy so you can stick it through the hole and grab it from the other side with pliers to pull through. should be a tight fit and it wont leak.

he uses a pump for each ppk site, yes. i believe he uses black 1/2" vinyl tubing. not poly tubing i believe poly tubing is hard as plastic. my eco pumps have differnt sized fittings to accept various sizes of hose i imagine magpumps are the same.

TY, Newguy.

It sounds as if we're talking about the same tubing. It's the soft, pliable stuff that is sold at hydro and pond supply stores. Poly was the wrong word on my part.

 

[zeke99]

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[zeke99]

if your reservoir is not very far from your plants you may be able to use a small pump for each plant site like the 185 gph eco pumps that i'm using here. you can submerse the pumps in the reservoir and have each supply a plant site. you would use the black 1/2" id vinyl hose from the hydro store like i have here.

you should drill the reservoir exit holes 5/8" so that the vinyl hose fits tight with no air leaks. it may be best to have them exit above the intended water level.

I'm inundating you with questions D9.

Please expand on the highlighted sentences. I get that you're talking about the vinyl hose running from the pump up to the plant, but do not understand the second sentence.

 

[delta9nxs]

I'm inundating you with questions D9.

Please expand on the highlighted sentences. I get that you're talking about the vinyl hose running from the pump up to the plant, but do not understand the second sentence.

the 1/2" id soft vinyl hydro farm grow store black tubing is 5/8" od. i run the pump bucket hose right out through the center of the lid but you could use the side wall if necessary. drilling the right size hole keeps bugs and debris out.

 

[nerdz]

Hey everyone,

So I've just discovered the PPK technique recently and have been reading up on it but I'm still not clear on some of the terms.

"Volume Tank": are these the nine 55-gallon drums sitting in the hallway that top off the system with fresh nutrient solution through activation of the float valve?

"Control Reservoir": this is the reservoir that contains the float valve and is where system solution + fresh solution from the Volume Tanks blend, correct? Also where the system's water level is set.

The six additional black/yellow totes that are daisy-chained to Control Reservoir: do these have a name? Or are they just considered a part of the Control Reservoir?

 

[zeke99]

From the 6 plant limit thread:

Feel free to mock my amazing drawing skills.

Pictured is a diagram showing the flow operation. At least I hope it does. Mix your nutes in the typical bulk/stock tank but ensure that it's elevated as DHF suggested. I use a Goodyear or continental rubber hose to go from the stock tank to each line of ppk sites. From there you put a threaded male 1/2" hose barb in it with a 1/2" pvc threaded cap attached. Drill a hole in the cap and pop a 1/4" vinyl tube in. From there, Daisy chain each bucket site with the same 1/4" tube. You can use the quick disconnect push fittings to T the 1/4" feed line coming.off the Goodyear hose to plum the successive three bucket sites or you can T the Goodyear hose. That's up to the builder. I use the Goodyear hose because I'm dealing with larger plants and a lot of them so they demand a large flow of water. Smaller systems can get by with just the 1/4" tubing throughout. We have a couple 8 plant rooms that don't use hose and instead only use 1/4" tube. Anything 12 sites and above seem more suited for a larger diameter feed line, hence the hose.

Did that clear things up?

I am not going to have more than 4 or 5 plants around a single 1K in my tent and they will be in 2 gallon buckets. So to clarify the underlined/bolded sentence that is quoted above, it is suitable to use 1/4" tubing for the RETURN lines? Basically the 2012 tech. without the tire valves. AV8OR did use the word "throughout", but I'm paranoid about misunderstanding these posts.

 

[delta9nxs]

Hey everyone,

So I've just discovered the PPK technique recently and have been reading up on it but I'm still not clear on some of the terms.

"Volume Tank": are these the nine 55-gallon drums sitting in the hallway that top off the system with fresh nutrient solution through activation of the float valve?

"Control Reservoir": this is the reservoir that contains the float valve and is where system solution + fresh solution from the Volume Tanks blend, correct? Also where the system's water level is set.

The six additional black/yellow totes that are daisy-chained to Control Reservoir: do these have a name? Or are they just considered a part of the Control Reservoir?

welcome and congratulations! you have made correct conclusions on your first pass! i think you are the first one to ever do this!

we may have a special operator here, folks! watch out for this one!

 

[delta9nxs]

From the 6 plant limit thread:



I am not going to have more than 4 or 5 plants around a single 1K in my tent and they will be in 2 gallon buckets. So to clarify the underlined/bolded sentence that is quoted above, it is suitable to use 1/4" tubing for the RETURN lines? Basically the 2012 tech. without the tire valves. AV8OR did use the word "throughout", but I'm paranoid about misunderstanding these posts.

hey zeke! the 1/4" id tubing should work fine for you. it's 3/8" od so you drill a 5/16" hole. be sure and use the soft black hydrofarm tubing as it seals really well.

 

[zeke99]

hey zeke! the 1/4" id tubing should work fine for you. it's 3/8" od so you drill a 5/16" hole. be sure and use the soft black hydrofarm tubing as it seals really well.

Thank you so much! I am just waiting for some gear to arrive and I hope to have the full size tent with the 1K up and running next week and transplant seedlings into the system.

 

[icdog]

I tried a search and can't find if there is any reason why not to use hydroton in the PPK?

I am having a hard time with the perlite and turface mix. Washed and separated the perlite but it seems to crush and turns into a glue in the turface.
Any suggestions?

 

[Miraculous Meds]

I tried a search and can't find if there is any reason why not to use hydroton in the PPK?

I am having a hard time with the perlite and turface mix. Washed and separated the perlite but it seems to crush and turns into a glue in the turface.
Any suggestions?

Hydroton can be used, but doesn't allow enough capillary rise for the wick system to pull up moisture. Plus it negates the reduction of the pwt. Basically ur just running top feed recirculating at that point. Add 20 to 30% coir to the hydroton if u want the benefits the ppk offers.

Or are u thinking of turface/hydroton mix?

 

[icdog]

I am now, would turface/hydroton work? Just having a hard time with the perlite/turface at the moment and need it sorted out shortly.

 

[delta9nxs]

I am now, would turface/hydroton work? Just having a hard time with the perlite/turface at the moment and need it sorted out shortly.

you are using the wrong particle size of perlite. you want the xlp size particle.

http://www.perlite.com/Perlite Brochure.pdf

go down to page 2, there you will see the coarse "propagation" grade. the best way to clean it is to float it in a kiddie pool or tub and stir it around a little. then net the floating particles out.

or at least a good hosing in a heavily drilled container. the turface just needs to be rinsed well.