Something wicked this way comes

[zeke99]

hey zeke! how big's the tent?

I haven't made a decision. I am starting with the lamp limitations and current strain (feminized Aurora Indica) and going from there. Power limitations mean a maximum of 2 x 600w or a single 1k. The room is not size limiting for a tent at all, it's just a limitation on power. I could get a 5' x5' x7' (H), a 6.5' x 6.5' x 6.5'. And there are others. Trying to figure out how exactly to proceed. It's been a few years since my last grow and I've never used a tent before.

Am suffering from paralysis by analysis at the moment. Might need a good slap upside the head.


edit: Maybe a 6.5' x 6.5' x 6.5' tent with a 1k vertical bulb and 4 plants in 2 gallon buckets?

 

[Oysters]

For a few of we older guys, this may be of comfort in case the Prevagen isn't getting it.

http://www.livescience.com/59010-marijuana-compound-thc-may-improve-memory.html

 

[newguy41410]

did you pack the tailpiece with xlp perlite only? what size is the tailpiece again?

since packing ours with perlite we have had no failures to drain.

your plant looks great!

yes, i packed the tailpiece with xlp perlite only. I also made about a half inch layer of xlp perlite only at the bottom of the medium bucket.

the tailpiece is 1.5"

Here is a pic of one of my bottom-of-ppk-site-bucket showing what i think is fine turface with maybe a little perlite dust settling at the bottom?

Here is a pic of another one of my bottom-of-ppk-site-buckets that shows LOTS of roots have made it through the screen and into the bottom res. This plant is about a week or two ahead of the one i showed above

I have since reduced watering schedule to 10 seconds every 45 minutes under the assumption that my plants will get the same amount of water, just not so much to overfill the one clogged site.

It takes about 18 seconds for the 2 gallon bucket filled with medium, to overfill. Does this sound like the tailpiece is clogged? I'm starting to think if the top layer were clogged due to root growth it would've probably start overflowing a little sooner?

The PITA part is that this one plant is tucked in a SCROG. Should i take out the SCROG and disassemble the ppk site? Will i need to transplant temporarily to fix the problem? dump out all medium and re-do?? chop any roots? or just lift that tailpiece up and try stabbing a big hole in the tailpiece screen?

 

[Desert Hydro]

I think ur right about getting water logged. Here's an alternative. Use loose wool to fill ur pot, but don't use the wick system. Just recirculating wool at that point.

awesome idea. i like the fact that i can recirculate the nutrients and it will help keep the media flushed.

i also have an old 12 site ebb and gro system i may run and modify to do 12 smaller plants. i will set it up to do top feed and then recover the nutes from the bottom

 

[Miraculous Meds]

awesome idea. i like the fact that i can recirculate the nutrients and it will help keep the media flushed.

i also have an old 12 site ebb and gro system i may run and modify to do 12 smaller plants. i will set it up to do top feed and then recover the nutes from the bottom

Djm turned me onto it. He did really well with 1 tree per light, 4 gal wool, fed 6 times day lights on flower. Then u can transition right into ppk after, if u choose. Recirculating coir is a bit finicky, but I can't source turface easily, so I go with what I know. But I have some old wool to use up so I'm going to do the same thing in one of my rooms.

Has anybody tried rw in the ppk? Maybe a rw, perlite mix.

 

[zeke99]

edit: question answered by D9 earlier in the thread

 

[delta9nxs]

I haven't made a decision. I am starting with the lamp limitations and current strain (feminized Aurora Indica) and going from there. Power limitations mean a maximum of 2 x 600w or a single 1k. The room is not size limiting for a tent at all, it's just a limitation on power. I could get a 5' x5' x7' (H), a 6.5' x 6.5' x 6.5'. And there are others. Trying to figure out how exactly to proceed. It's been a few years since my last grow and I've never used a tent before.

Am suffering from paralysis by analysis at the moment. Might need a good slap upside the head.


edit: Maybe a 6.5' x 6.5' x 6.5' tent with a 1k vertical bulb and 4 plants in 2 gallon buckets?

i'm afraid i'm not going to be much help. it's been a long time since i worked with a space that tight. but maybe 4 vertically scrogged?

 

[delta9nxs]

yes, i packed the tailpiece with xlp perlite only. I also made about a half inch layer of xlp perlite only at the bottom of the medium bucket.

the tailpiece is 1.5"

Here is a pic of one of my bottom-of-ppk-site-bucket showing what i think is fine turface with maybe a little perlite dust settling at the bottom?

Here is a pic of another one of my bottom-of-ppk-site-buckets that shows LOTS of roots have made it through the screen and into the bottom res. This plant is about a week or two ahead of the one i showed above

I have since reduced watering schedule to 10 seconds every 45 minutes under the assumption that my plants will get the same amount of water, just not so much to overfill the one clogged site.

It takes about 18 seconds for the 2 gallon bucket filled with medium, to overfill. Does this sound like the tailpiece is clogged? I'm starting to think if the top layer were clogged due to root growth it would've probably start overflowing a little sooner?

The PITA part is that this one plant is tucked in a SCROG. Should i take out the SCROG and disassemble the ppk site? Will i need to transplant temporarily to fix the problem? dump out all medium and re-do?? chop any roots? or just lift that tailpiece up and try stabbing a big hole in the tailpiece screen?

i think you should re-pot them. the root ball should come out intact. just lift it out and put into an identical one. tear off any of the old tailpiece medium and place the plant in another pot with a freshly filled tailpiece. we have done this before with big plants and the 3" tailpieces. changing them into a fresh pot with an un-clogged tailpiece just before flower. by the time stretch is over the roots are pretty much finished growing so they shouldn't have enough time to clog again.

 

[delta9nxs]

hey gman! here are:

ivanka at transplant on 4/15 and today, 23 days. then fertile myrtle same dates.

ivanka is about 36" and mytle about 30" but more stout. they have both been topped.

stardawg x c99

ivanka is showing a little heat/light stress in the same room as her sister who is not.

 

[delta9nxs]

Congrats on a full house. Love the shot of the row of a/c's.

those are some sexy ac's! i really like the knobs on that frigidaire.

 

[gmanwho]

hey gman! here are:

ivanka at transplant on 4/15 and today, 23 days. then fertile myrtle same dates.

ivanka is about 36" and mytle about 30" but more stout. they have both been topped.

stardawg x c99

ivanka is showing a little heat/light stress in the same room as her sister who is not.

sweeet. the first lady is looking nice an healthy.

the heat/light stress. is that the leaf serration tips turning color you speak of?

since i havent started any of the the stardawg x c99, atleast on purpose. out of curiosity i ask this next, since i had some seeds start on their own before, an or unknown bagseeds through friends an patients etc. did any of the stardawg x c99 show a deeper evergreen pine tree green color with super pointy leaf serration tips? leaf veins really defined contrast to leaf tissue, and or possibly sunken veins, almost 3d looking leafs? if so keep your eye on her cause over here she produced a very resinous plant. ghost white looking.

any odd leaf traits from the seed start?

just mentally trying to narrow something down from a few other bag-seed plants i acquired..



enjoying the show as always.. bsafe man

 

[zeke99]

what you are looking at is a 1/2" hose barb to 1/2" mpt fitting with a 1/2" threaded pvc cap screwed on with some teflon tape. a 5/16" hole is drilled through the center of the cap. i use the hydrofarm soft black vinyl 3/8" od from grow stores. cut the tubing at a sharp angle and push it through from the inside until you can grab it with a pair of pliers. they never leak!

you should install the tubing before you thread the cap on.

the hose barb fitting is in the same spot as the hose barb T's and L's.

Hello D9, by "in the same spot" you are referring to availability in the big box store?

Are the following correct?

1/2" hose barb to 1/2" MPT (NPT?) fitting
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Sioux-Ch...stic-Barb-x-Male-Adapter-904-402099/100187815
1/2" threaded PVC cap
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Charlotte-Pipe-1-2-in-PVC-Sch-40-FPT-Cap-PVC021170800HD/203811708

I am loving the idea of a new build with no tire valves and maybe only a bead of plumber's goop to secure the screen at the end of the tail piece. (most likely will use 2 gallon buckets with the original tail piece)

 

[newguy41410]

Holy Crap, Check Out These Pics!!

Just finished re-pot and apparently my plant's roots are so dense, the water won't even drain out the tailpiece! The tailpiece isn't the only thing clogged, the roots inside the 2-gallon bucket are so dense it is clogging the drainage! Not sure if this is a good problem to have? So i'm still having overflow issues with a new identical ppk site with fresh tailpiece. I'm not sure if i should cut into my root ball and make it smaller? Do i need to use my hands and try to untangle every thing somehow? It is freaking DENSE it took me twenty minutes of wrestling with the bucket/plant just to pull it out the bucket. I'm pretty sure it is pissed at me for wrestling with it the way I did. And it was freaking HEAVY for something that's only been growing for 2 months LOL its heavier than my 8 month old nephew!

So i unplugged the water pump from the root bound plant it is only wick feeding for now as i am awaiting your instructions on how I should proceed!

EDIT: are my roots super dense because the container was too wet? If so, i think i should stop putting lids over the medium so that the medium can dry out?? Or do i need to raise my air gap from 3.75" higher??

EDIT 2: just did further research to discover i am experiencing a root bound plant. Looks like my options are to chop away at the roots? not sure how though. Or try to untangle and loosen things up (its pretty dense; not sure if even possible)

 

[delta9nxs]

Holy Crap, Check Out These Pics!!

Just finished re-pot and apparently my plant's roots are so dense, the water won't even drain out the tailpiece! The tailpiece isn't the only thing clogged, the roots inside the 2-gallon bucket are so dense it is clogging the drainage! Not sure if this is a good problem to have? So i'm still having overflow issues with a new identical ppk site with fresh tailpiece. I'm not sure if i should cut into my root ball and make it smaller? Do i need to use my hands and try to untangle every thing somehow? It is freaking DENSE it took me twenty minutes of wrestling with the bucket/plant just to pull it out the bucket. I'm pretty sure it is pissed at me for wrestling with it the way I did. And it was freaking HEAVY for something that's only been growing for 2 months LOL its heavier than my 8 month old nephew!

So i unplugged the water pump from the root bound plant it is only wick feeding for now as i am awaiting your instructions on how I should proceed!

EDIT: are my roots super dense because the container was too wet? If so, i think i should stop putting lids over the medium so that the medium can dry out?? Or do i need to raise my air gap from 3.75" higher??

EDIT 2: just did further research to discover i am experiencing a root bound plant. Looks like my options are to chop away at the roots? not sure how though. Or try to untangle and loosen things up (its pretty dense; not sure if even possible)

anybody who has not checked out his root porn shots should do so as that is how your roots are supposed to look in this device.

are you flowering them immediately? if so don't touch the root ball. just re-pack a fresh tailpiece with xlp perlite only making sure there is a little mound of the xlp over the tailpiece. then pop the plant back in and flower it. you won't get much more root growth.

your roots are perfect, beautiful, snow white, healthy. so whatever you are doing is about right.

all plants in containers are root bound. in soilless culture this condition is normal and even desirable as it means that you have fully utilized the container.

if you intend to veg much longer you will need to increase pot size but they look about right to flip now. they should easily fill your screens.

 

[delta9nxs]

sweeet. the first lady is looking nice an healthy.

the heat/light stress. is that the leaf serration tips turning color you speak of?

since i havent started any of the the stardawg x c99, atleast on purpose. out of curiosity i ask this next, since i had some seeds start on their own before, an or unknown bagseeds through friends an patients etc. did any of the stardawg x c99 show a deeper evergreen pine tree green color with super pointy leaf serration tips? leaf veins really defined contrast to leaf tissue, and or possibly sunken veins, almost 3d looking leafs? if so keep your eye on her cause over here she produced a very resinous plant. ghost white looking.

any odd leaf traits from the seed start?

just mentally trying to narrow something down from a few other bag-seed plants i acquired..



enjoying the show as always.. bsafe man

no discoloration just leaf edges curled up slightly on ivanka and a few other plants in the room but most are not showing it. i suspect i'm pushing them all too hard.

lights are right down on them and temps are high by design 82-84f and feeding them about 950 ppm. rh about 75%. solution temp around 80f.

no unusual characteristics on either of them but i'll go look again. the other seedlings were all mostly normal but also mostly male.

but both these are shaping well and will be flowered. once i get a plant into the main system they are in premium real estate and are almost always flowered.

this cross is very vigorous and grows fast. they were both topped already in the transplant photos. they have been pinched and bent outward also as well as thinned at least once.

i'll take some close up leaf shots for you.

 

[delta9nxs]

Hello D9, by "in the same spot" you are referring to availability in the big box store?

Are the following correct?

1/2" hose barb to 1/2" MPT (NPT?) fitting
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Sioux-Ch...stic-Barb-x-Male-Adapter-904-402099/100187815
1/2" threaded PVC cap
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Charlotte-Pipe-1-2-in-PVC-Sch-40-FPT-Cap-PVC021170800HD/203811708

I am loving the idea of a new build with no tire valves and maybe only a bead of plumber's goop to secure the screen at the end of the tail piece. (most likely will use 2 gallon buckets with the original tail piece)

the pvc cap is ok but the fitting is a very expensive one. mine are in the aisle with all the pvc fittings. they are gray and light proof. made by "lasko".

i'll see if i can locate them at the store tomorrow. i've got to go there anyway.

 

[fliptopbox]

Is there any reason you couldn't put rooted clones directly into the final 7 gallon tubs or the full system? Other than space I can't think of any.

 

[delta9nxs]

Is there any reason you couldn't put rooted clones directly into the final 7 gallon tubs or the full system? Other than space I can't think of any.

i have rooted large cuttings in the tub itself but it does eat up a lot of floor space.

 

[icdog]

Thanks D9. Looks like I likely won't be able to get Tupur in Canada so I am looking at using the coco perlite mixed up.
Are there any other mediums that work other then Turface and Tupur?

 

[zeke99]

the pvc cap is ok but the fitting is a very expensive one. mine are in the aisle with all the pvc fittings. they are gray and light proof. made by "lasko".

i'll see if i can locate them at the store tomorrow. i've got to go there anyway.

Thank you! Lasco sku# 1436-005 Insert x MPT

Here is the Lasco catalog of PVC inserts. http://www.lascofittings.com/assets/1824/insertsxls.pdf

Here it is on Home Depot http://www.homedepot.com/p/Orbit-1-2-in-PVC-Barb-x-MPT-Insert-Male-Adapter-1436005RMC/203003473