Slownickel lounge, pull up a chair. CEC interpretation

[led05]

Home depot sells shit gypsum. I wasn't aware until Slow pointed out that it can often come with high sodium.


Was it from new stock? I have some of those beans that I impulsively bought recently.

You can find quality Gypsum local was more the point, if you have to go to a more farm & country store, TSC or whatever it's everywhere and HD, Lowe's etc vary based on regions as well... The local Lowe's here sell decent lime for example as well, probably in part because this area is filled with quality quarries that mine both Gypsum & lime

 

[reppin2c]

Hey Reppin...that high Ca run was low on K yea? Did you notice the grow finished quicker than normal.

It was pretty quick. Earliest window was about 4 days faster as a guesstimate. It was just a weird run though.

As far as my buddies statement on the bbmuff I think it was a taste causing over indulgence. But remember that every grower has the best just ask em and every smoker knows the best grower

The only thing that would make the 4-5 a light story better is if he was running OG

Wonder if there is any flights into gypsum, CO. I bet they have tshirts there lol

 

[led05]

It does take certain strains, like a equatorial wouldn't fit the bill for sure. However these are boutique strains, not commercial strains. Sherbet being one.

I hear ya....

Way too many different strains / names all based off the same very few parental plants from the late 80's / early 90's, those based off even a smaller handful from the 70's / early 80's..... Sad

Literally a handful of parental lineage = 1000's of different named "strains" today, kind of funny but guess the customer drives this as well.....

If only more of them were better informed, it's amazing how many never even knew what else is out there... Lots of blame to pass around for that though - way too long a discussion in here....

I like to look at plants country of origin of their make-up vs. what some yahoo choose to name their plants for marketing reasons etc, if country is not known or given I already basically "know" what it is... from the handful above...

 

[reppin2c]

 

[paradoxlost]

I'm lucky Nevada has a lot of soils with a gypsic soils horizon within the upper fifty centimeters. Basically like cliche but from gypsum not caco3. Dig that shit up off public lands.

 

[plantingplants]

Hey Reppin...that high Ca run was low on K yea? Did you notice the grow finished quicker than normal.

Planting...what compost? How did you calculate the cec?

Oly mt. compost. I based off a similar mix from last year that had more compost less peat with 38 cec.

Its ok if its short bc i can reamend but im just thrown off because the first coots only had 6.25 gyp and 6.25 lb lime pr yard. Was short tho but this is a lot more ca.

 

[plantingplants]

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[maxmurder]

The only thing that would make the 4-5 a light story better is if he was running OG

my broker/friend (haha sounds funny) looks at the 4+ per light og's and says the tops look ok but growers try to throw in all the lower larfy shit too. if it were all top half of plant it would pass as decent but then they'd only be getting 2+. sealed rooms, c02/ac/dh scrubber etc.

 

[led05]

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The math varies, sometimes a lot per each persons situation - i.e weather, temps, humidity, native, their peat source, the source for all their ingredients etc etc etc..... Just get close and dial in more each year, do what works for you where you are...


I think a lot of times people are putting the cart before the horse and overlooking the simple things and over complicating what really isn't that hard... Don't shoot for perfection, it's unattainable

Genetics, Temp, Light, Humidity, Soil, Water all are equally important - when any if effed all are, none will ever be perfect - whatever that is for where you are....

Less math, more growing IMHO - This plant is quite a bit easier to grow than most, it really is.... Most annuals are

It's amazing how much better things grow the less we care and fuss over them, it's normally the person chasing their tails looking for an ideal that leads to mistakes

 

[plantingplants]

Theres a difference between ideal and good enouhh to fix and plain ole fucked. I am shooting for the center. Ive never done this before. Never tried to lime a soil or make calcium calcs for fresh soil, so i want to make sure im not doing anything stupid.

Maybe you could look at the math for me and at least tell me if it makes sense???

 

[plantingplants]

Hazy lol i know you love to talk shit on lead but all he did was help me with ca liming math-- why not just look at the math and see if he is actually ruining my shit? Youll be helping me at the same time

 

[led05]

Theres a difference between ideal and good enouhh to fix and plain ole fucked. I am shooting for the center. Ive never done this before. Never tried to lime a soil or make calcium calcs for fresh soil, so i want to make sure im not doing anything stupid.

Maybe you could look at the math for me and at least tell me if it makes sense???

I totally hear you and agree, center, care equally about all mentioned and realize they all drive one another, of course...

I posted earlier a detailed mix, a very good one, not sure anyone took time to see it or think there's any value in it but it works, that is for sure fwiw.... Just scale it up, run a few things in it, you'll be using it again next year...... (I also tweak this based on what I have on hand etc, I'm totally comfortable doing this though BC I know how the things all play together, this takes time to learn)...

A lot of what you have in what you posted is going to raise PH, not just the Lime btw, I personally don't fuss a ton over PH in a good balanced mix either and normally run high > 7 due to native here vs value derived from fixing it... This is for all crops

I posted a mix earlier for 1/5th I think of a yard, I think I was adding more Crab, Kelp etc by amount NOT % in 1/5th of what you had (it was for a yard right?) , it doesn't burn at all, not even seedlings as I mentioned then...

I also use Lime sparingly as I prefer other things to bring up my PH or it's already high due to native Calcareous soils here

Running your #'s based off some other guys formulas not relative to your unique area (or the PGA for grass) to me only adds so much value, more a minimum to not fuk up which I get your concerned about.

Try and understand more vs a plug and play formula..... This is humble advice

I also have a large spreadsheet that has by % every elements in every additive I've ever used and refer to this often.... They are not relative to each other by weight / proportion but it's a heck of a lot better than not knowing at all.

It took a lot of time to find most / everything (minerals) that is in each thing we add, that's half the battle - many products don't list for shit, for reason, I AVOID those....

 

[plantingplants]

Try and understand more vs a plug and play formula..... This is humble advice

Thanks but its misplaced. All i do is try to understand more, but when it comes down to it, i need 40 yards of fucking dirt that works.

 

[led05]

Thanks but its misplaced. All i do is try to understand more, but when it comes down to it, i need 40 yards of fucking dirt that works.

None of this is meant to offend......

Do you think there's a magical Semi that is just going to show up and drop it off, a perfect blend..... And even then... what about all other dynamic variables at play or how YOU use it vs say me, or anyone else or how it works for their situations or yours.....

The only person in here with the answers to your problems is you. A formula or some other guy looking at simply JUST a soil recipe is missing 90% of YOUR picture.... A base to start can work at a lot of places but it's a sliver of what needs to be accounted for....

I'm not saying you're not trying to learn but it seems like you want a Magical answer to make you feel better, that anxiety won't be cured till you kill it and harvest and only then will you really know...right? And then you can improve for your UNIQUE situations based on the key factors and how you or your help interact with them.....

The point is just get close, these plants grow themselves

The biggest value Mike has offered in here is simplicity - he gets it, he's been farming a long time, spend a few decades growing shit for $$ and you realize the variables we can't control and must react to are MUCH more critical than obsessing over the perfect soil or water....


How many people in here grow plants BC they are obsessed with growing just about anything VS. how many see this as an opportunity - PP, this is not directed at you but it pains me to see personal friends who stress / live over needing to grow a plant well, folks who otherwise never would be farming and have little green thumbs... We're not all Fast or can jump high either


You can see the stress and I feel for it - People biting off more than they can chew or handle and are now Hedged big time financially....

 

[slownickel]

got my results from my native soil and one mound . what should i be amending with? looks like a lot of things are pretty low, am i right. im surprised they are so close to each other in calcium:

Yo, sorry to have not chipped in sooner.

You have wayyyyyyy too much magnesium. This hurts you against K. You have actually a lot of K. Any addition of Mg for you is fatal. This is why you are looking for air space.

Just that proportionally not enough K against all that Mg. You need twice as much K in your soil to deal with that amount of Mg.

So, do you want to add more K really? That would mean more P too. Sounds like an expensive option.

Or....

Yuyyyyep, gypsum is yer friend as they say in Lassen county.

Push that Mg down and away. You can plant cover crops all you want, great idea, makes physical airspace, more biology, etc... but how much Mg can they really take out of the soil? (and that is if you remove the crop, if not, you are adding back more soluble Mg with the organic material).....

I would try and physically add some air if possible. You can add all the K you want foliarly.

That high Mg is going to keep hurting him with both K and Ca.

Nope, only one answer.

 

[slownickel]

UPDATE:

Been a rough month or so folks.

Here are some photos from today. Things are getting worse.

Orch, not sure you will recognize this bridge or not.

 

[growingcrazy]

That looks like a crazy time, Slow. About that one inch of rain per year...

Are you just west of Piura?

Hope everyone is doing well!

 

[orechron]

I remember a trickle, holy shit

 

[slownickel]

That looks like a crazy time, Slow. About that one inch of rain per year...

Are you just west of Piura?

Hope everyone is doing well!

This is about 15 inches of rain here but another 50+ inches or so that comes down from the mountains and fills in the river.

I am due north of Piura, between Piura and Sullana.

 

[growingcrazy]

double post.