Slownickel lounge, pull up a chair. CEC interpretation

[led05]

Does it really bother you that gypsum is the solution so often?

haha.....Personally It makes me warm and fuzzy inside, BC it's probably the easiest and cheapest solution, and I'm the water guy or is it the VPD guy..... ....

btw, why are people getting a few hundred pounds Gypsum shipped in, doesn't the shipping cost like 10-20x's the cost of a 50# bag at Lowe's, HD etc for like a fin aka $5 a bag?

He's right though, the water should be tested as well

 

[led05]

R O indoor after a softener , not brand new maybe needs new filters
Well water for outside , by passes softener
I can always get new filters or reverse osmosis for indoor if indeed they lost their integrity , but outdoor I really dno whatbdo do with those extras from the well, I remember a hundred or so pages back there was a bit of discussion on water quality for farmin with acres + .. but that bit ended with, use whatvya have and add more gypsum to help deal with water conditions .

I could connect softener to hose which does improve water from the iron calcium sulphur etc. but can't control the excess salt from softener so dno if that would be helping or hurting , I don't thing anything good from salt like that ....

If you have a softner in front of your RO (and there's salt in it) then you don't need to worry about the Mg anymore, if the RO is failed though, then SALT you do need to worry about!!

Having the softner in front of RO though is correct way, the salt is easier on the RO than Mg or Ca or Fe etc

Daddy, depending on how big of a thing you got cooking, there are RO machines that do 1000's G / day, if the water is bad enough to warrant it - do you have a TDS/EC pen?

 

[jidoka]

Not everyone likes to go 100% dihydrate which could be gone before the end of an outdoor grow

And the PGA...that paragon of organic growing. More poisonous Chema per acre than a an Iowa corn farmer. Medicine?

 

[led05]

Not everyone likes to go 100% dihydrate which could be gone before the end of an outdoor grow

And the PGA...that paragon of organic growing. More poisonous Chema per acre than a an Iowa corn farmer. Medicine?

nothing like a 630am tee time and it smells like a Fertilizer plant around you

 

[jidoka]

How do you get a grass with say 4x the root mass to grass ratio? No fucking genetic mods going on there. In the words of Shania Twain...that don't impress me much

 

[reppin2c]

Does it really bother you that gypsum is the solution so often?

Not really. I've been using gypsum in grows since I started growing. But I don't think it's the end all, save all or 'the answer'....part of the answer alot of times. I just like to raz ya a bit. And sometimes I wake up and think it'd be funny if there was a meme about gypsum.

I also use an RO and pay attention to vpd inside, outside I'd be fighting a huge uphill battle here in CO. It was 20% today and it snowed/rained last night. Gotta love 7200 feet.

The grow season must be on cuz I didnt know what day of the week it was until someone told me.



Also I ran a really high Ca mix inside got about 1 a light with double enders and parabolic haha what a joke. Quality is off the charts good and my buddy said that grs blueberry muffin f3 from that run was the best he's ever smoked. for what it's worth

 

[plantingplants]

really high ca and where was K?

 

[reppin2c]

Didn't test but there wasn't enough, could even spray or feed enough K.

 

[jidoka]

The Kraidy cup. An attempt to get anyone not from CA to ship a schedule 1 substance across state lines. And just to make it Rico get another 20+ people to join in

 

[jidoka]

Maybe...what is jelly?

 

[reppin2c]

Jelly=jealous. I may be jelly of 4-5 a light but sounds like an urban legend and I'm not believing it.

 

[jidoka]

Ahhh. I did not know. When that dumb ass HB shows me his pics of 4-5 per light I will definitely be jelly followed by drunk. But not til then

 

[reppin2c]

I don't run ID often. Just one a winter or so. Normally get 2.1-2.3 when Im not experimenting and I'm not real serious about it either. Soil, 16-5 gallon fabric container a light, double enders, hand water hammered drunk after snowmobiling.....or something like that. I'm a pretty cheap date at 11,000 feet.

 

[led05]

The Kraidy cup. An attempt to get anyone not from CA to ship a schedule 1 substance across state lines. And just to make it Rico get another 20+ people to join in

That's not what he's doing but what he is doing is aggregating data, and even more cleverly at others expense, but in his defense in return he's offering up a lot of free advice... and the expense is by no means just the soil test costs... a wise man with a lot of quantifiable data being freely shared @ a plant that still makes it difficult to study based on illegalities in many locations without having to do any of the local groundwork, well, pretty clever...

Probably a little more than that to it as well but then again nothing is free

He's dropped a lot of basic AG knowledge though that most w/out an undergrad degree in related study seem to gloss over for the fancy stuff...

Still one of my fav threads ever

 

[led05]

Know some folks getting 4-5 a light with high Ca and K on point. Almost there.

You guys growing big bud out there... 4-5, so 2g & change / watt.... too much kush, OG, WLD Or whatever for my tastes

2g can be done but in scale, the quality is gonna suffer

Gram / watt such a better metric, I get most are running DE 1000 but still, diff settings, diff hours people do / day etc..

G / W - makes most sense, also bet if u track it closer and measure actual wattage used your data will be way more accurate and come down ...

 

[slownickel]

Not really. I've been using gypsum in grows since I started

Also I ran a really high Ca mix inside got about 1 a light with double enders and parabolic haha what a joke. Quality is off the charts good and my buddy said that grs blueberry muffin f3 from that run was the best he's ever smoked. for what it's worth

Sounds like a trip to Colo is in order.... I'll bring the gypsum T shirt.

 

[orechron]

btw, why are people getting a few hundred pounds Gypsum shipped in, doesn't the shipping cost like 10-20x's the cost of a 50# bag at Lowe's, HD etc for like a fin aka $5 a bag?

Home depot sells shit gypsum. I wasn't aware until Slow pointed out that it can often come with high sodium.

Also I ran a really high Ca mix inside got about 1 a light with double enders and parabolic haha what a joke. Quality is off the charts good and my buddy said that grs blueberry muffin f3 from that run was the best he's ever smoked. for what it's worth

Was it from new stock? I have some of those beans that I impulsively bought recently.

 

[plantingplants]

Ok what do you guys think? I'm gonna order 40 tomorrow. Are my calcium #s ok? CEC should end up around 40-50 I'm thinking.

1 yard:

100 gal peat (50%)
70 gal lava (35%)
30 gal compost (15%)

6.2 lb vansil (90 ppm Si, 2.1 lb Ca)
12 lb microna ag lime (4.6 lb Ca. Should be 24 lb ag lime but Microna says use half)
13 lb gypsum (2.9 lb Ca)
(total is 9.6 lb Ca/yard [7750 lb/ac]. With leadsled's help, used vansil and lime to reach 60%, then filled rest with gypsum)

Plus crab and compost have Ca.

2.5 lbs kelp meal
2 lbs crab meal 4-3-0
1.1 lbs neem cake
1.25 lbs alfalfa meal


This coots modification is trying to avoid high K, No3, Mg, and Na. Micros will be added as well.

I keep thinking maybe I should just go with the original mix and not gamble on this...

 

[jidoka]

Hey Reppin...that high Ca run was low on K yea? Did you notice the grow finished quicker than normal.

Planting...what compost? How did you calculate the cec?

 

[led05]

I am curious why you think quantity drops quality? I have never once seen cannabis act that way? Unless you are talking bloom boosters with super high K. Most wont believe me, but the guys I am talking about also produce the best herb out of any grower I saw last year. Heads and shoulders above. Take it for what it's worth, but I know who will win the Kraidy cup. (if not me)

It's nothing about the nutes or quality / quantity thing more the type of plants that produce 4-5lbs per 1000 light I don't like, the genetics / WLD stuff. Head stash vs commercial are entirely different things, I get it....

I like near pure equatorial NLD, they can produce huge just not crammed under a single DE light, they are monsters...